March 2024 Weather in the PNW

[Front Ranger]

Just now, DeepFriedEgg said:

We basically have the same opinion.

Do you think we should begin to cut carbon emissions and diversify energy infrastructure away from mostly oil long term?

We've done that. It's happening, as fast as the market will allow. Obviously oil isn't infinite, but EV batteries ain't exactly eco-friendly either. 

It's a challenge that I hope we're up to, but that's another story. Regardless, I don't think we're on a path to annihilation in the near future (due to fossil fuels), as some would have you believe.

[DeepFriedEgg]

3 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

We've done that. It's happening, as fast as the market will allow. Obviously oil isn't infinite, but EV batteries ain't exactly eco-friendly either. 

It's a challenge that I hope we're up to, but that's another story. Regardless, I don't think we're on a path to annihilation in the near future (due to fossil fuels), as some would have you believe.

100% agree.

Do you think that the accelerated pace of global warming due to human activities will damage ecosystems because species won’t have time to adapt/evolve like they would with a natural warming?

[Front Ranger]

4 minutes ago, DeepFriedEgg said:

100% agree.

Do you think that the accelerated pace of global warming due to human activities will damage ecosystems because species won’t have time to adapt/evolve like they would with a natural warming?

 

[Front Ranger]

Just now, Front Ranger said:

 

Seriously, some species have and will suffer but holistically, the earth is more resilient than stupidity. And we don't control as much of that as we think.

[DeepFriedEgg]

This is a perfect example of how much media/politicians/corporations can divide people that basically have the same opinion on things. It’s how they make money. This applies to ALL issues, not just climate change.

Remember, the vast majority of people are moderates on most issues. Extremists drive people who started with very similar/moderate opinions further and further apart primarily via echo chambers. How we fix this is by having open minded discussion with others that appear to have different opinions than us. You will find that you agree more than you disagree. Our country would be unstoppable if everyone had this mindset.

Likely that most extremists are put in by China/Russia in order to promote division. 

[Cold Snap]

In Capitol Hill right now. Even though I’m only in a short sleeve and shorts this 54 degrees feels nice right now.

[DeepFriedEgg]

7 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

Seriously, some species have and will suffer but holistically, the earth is more resilient than stupidity. And we don't control as much of that as we think.

Maybe we disagree a bit on the extent to which ecosystems will be damaged, but maybe it’s just due to my risk averse tendencies. Frankly, I don’t think anyone knows for sure how earth’s ecosystems will respond. 
 

At the very worst, humans as a species will still be fine because while some climates will become less habitable, others will become more habitable. 

[Phil]

1 hour ago, Front Ranger said:

My stance: humans like to think they know more than they really know.

If you look at history, at the history of humans but also of science in particular, you will find a lot of hubris. You will also find a lot of people looking to use a cause to further themselves. And anything for political gain.

That being said, I do believe AGW is real. I think the earth was warming, and that warming has been enhanced by human activities.

I also think warnings of this warming destroying the ecosystems are overblown and often motivated by more than logic. 

The 3 things you can count on most are death, taxes, and humans failing to learn from history. Hilarious reading these century old texts where we’d confidently established that we’d figured everything out, only to be laughably wrong about almost everything.  

But *this* time we *definitely* have it right, because we’re sooo much smarter now.. ..said each and every generation before ours.

Some things never change (the climate definitely changes, though).

[DeepFriedEgg]

Lost the wind. Down to 43F. -11.5F from yesterday!!

[TT-SEA]

[FroYoBro]

1 hour ago, DeepFriedEgg said:

Lost the wind. Down to 43F. -11.5F from yesterday!!

It actually got down into the upper 30’s here. Surprised me. 

[Front Ranger]

14 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Accurate stats for SEA and OLM, but if you look back further at other old stations, it's happened earlier.

The old Olympia Priest Pt station hit 74 as early as 3/10, and hit 75 on 3/11/41 and 78 on 3/16/47. 

The Seattle city office station hit 74 on 2/29/68, again on 3/3/65, and then 75 on 3/11/41. The old UW station hit 75 on 3/10/34.

In other words...new records for those stations, but pretty low hanging fruit based on broader context. There were some major March heat events from the 1920s to 1940s that weren't recorded by the modern airport stations.

 

[TacomaWx]

Got down to 39 and we’re headed back into the 70s this afternoon. It’s not too common for us to get into the 70s after being in the 30s at sunrise. It’s exclusively a shoulder season thing IMBY. 

[MossMan]

It appears the GFS might be having a hard time predicting the extended range…

[TT-SEA]

The cool down has begun... marine push along the coast this morning.  

[SilverFallsAndrew]

37 at SLE again this morning, 

 

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

24 currently, low of 19.9

[Tanis Leach]

Hello. 

 

Day 1 of the season. 

 

Edit: only got a spring pass this year so I could go with others. 

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

19 minutes ago, Tanis Leach said:

Hello. 

 

Day 1 of the season. 

 

Edit: only got a spring pass this year so I could go with others. 

Have fun!

[Anti Marine Layer]

Haven't seen @Gradient Keeper in a while. Hope he's OK. 

[TT-SEA]

11 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Haven't seen @Gradient Keeper in a while. Hope he's OK. 

He usually only posts here in the fall and winter and usually when there is a major event to track.    He almost always disappears in the spring and summer.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, Anti Marine Layer said:

Haven't seen @Gradient Keeper in a while. Hope he's OK. 

He's been fantastic. He posts a lot of the Facebooks. He's been entering a lot of bowling tournaments, even posing for photos with former weather rivals. Good to see his health so improved and him back out and living his best lyfe. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

SLE running -5 from yesterday at this time. Also interesting how much colder the EURO is than the GFS. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Looks like the GFS is warmer than pretty much every other model for next weekend. 

[TT-SEA]

16 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

SLE running -5 from yesterday at this time. Also interesting how much colder the EURO is than the GFS. 

No idea what is going on with the ECMWF lately.   Yesterday morning it showed a high of 67 at SEA for yesterday... 7 degrees too cold.   

[MossMan]

It’s over. 

[Front Ranger]

44 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Looks like the GFS is warmer than pretty much every other model for next weekend. 

What's your snowfall total for 2023-24 now?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, Front Ranger said:

What's your snowfall total for 2023-24 now?

39"

[ShawniganLake]

36 minutes ago, MossMan said:

It’s over. 

Even if it does snow this time of year there’s no need to plow.  It’ll be gone by the afternoon. 

[Front Ranger]

8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

39"

Helluva a lot better than the brutal Nino period of 2014-2016. After the recent storm, I'm ahead of you with 49". 

Looks like the seasons you've beat me are: 2022-23 (by far), 2018-19, 2016-17, and 2011-12.

[TT-SEA]

12 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

Even if it does snow this time of year there’s no need to plow.  It’ll be gone by the afternoon. 

ECMWF says he might be rushing it.   Cold run.

[GHweatherChris]

80 degrees here is unprecedented out this way in March, the 77 just south of me on a official weather station yesterday is unprecedented in March, but it happened.

Also, got down to 33 this morning with a touch of frost, crazy but it happened.

Edited March 17 by GHweatherChris

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, Front Ranger said:

Helluva a lot better than the brutal Nino period of 2014-2016. After the recent storm, I'm ahead of you with 49". 

Looks like the seasons you've beat me are: 2022-23 (by far), 2018-19, 2016-17, and 2011-12.

Really the 2012/13-2015/16 stretch was pretty bad. I didn't realize it at the time though since I was new up here. This year felt like a lot of luck. The best two winters for snow and cold were 2022-23 and 2016-17. 11-12' though the snowiest never had a low temp below 23. 2006/07-2011/12 would have been a really rocking stretch up here. 

What is your annual average? 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

ECMWF says he might be rushing it.   Cold run.

Interesting. It hasn't loaded on Pivotal yet. 

[Front Ranger]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Really the 2012/13-2015/16 stretch was pretty bad. I didn't realize it at the time though since I was new up here. This year felt like a lot of luck. The best two winters for snow and cold were 2022-23 and 2016-17. 11-12' though the snowiest never had a low temp below 23. 2006/07-2011/12 would have been a really rocking stretch up here. 

What is your annual average? 

I've moved around a few places, but in general for Denver metro it's in the 55-65" range. Far western and southern suburbs average more like 65-80.

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

20 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

ECMWF says he might be rushing it.   Cold run.

13" here!!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

I've moved around a few places, but in general for Denver metro it's in the 55-65" range. Far western and southern suburbs average more like 65-80:.

Definitely more than here. Our big years are probably somewhat similar, but we can definitely have some true stinkers. 

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

Neighbors are taking off their snow tires, what idiots, they don't know what's COMING!!! Seriously though, we live in Sunriver, what kind of idiot do you have to be to take off your snow tires in mid March? This is their 2nd winter here, did they learn anything from last April? I guess they think because it's warm now, it can't be snowy in April like it was in previous years. 

 

53 currently, 7 degrees warmer than it was at this time yesterday, so we're on pace for a 69 degree high. Would be nice to get a 50 degree spread today. 

[TT-SEA]

The 12Z EPS shows the coldest anomalies at the 850mb level go around the PNW... but its still going to be very chilly.

[ShawniganLake]

31 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

ECMWF says he might be rushing it.   Cold run.

Gem had a snow event up here a week from tonight, as well