snow_wizard Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 In other news... Wind Advisory has been issued for tonight IN ADDITION...VERY WINDY CONDITIONS CONTINUE TO BE EXPECTEDTONIGHT...ESPECIALLY ALONG THE COAST...AS A DEEPENING LOW MOVES INTONORTHERN OR CENTRAL VANCOUVER ISLAND. GFS RUNS OVERNIGHT SHOWEDDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SURFACE LOW NEAR 45N AND 132W...DEEPENING ANDTRACKING INTO NORTH CENTRAL VANCOUVER ISLAND BY ABOUT 12Z SUN. NAMAND CANADIAN SOLUTIONS REMAIN SIMILAR...ALBEIT WITH SLIGHTLY DEEPERAND A MORE EASTERLY TRACKS. ALL MODELS SHOW STRONG 60 TO 75 KT 925MB WINDS OVER THE OREGON AND CENTRAL WASHINGTON COASTAL WATERS THISEVENING AS THE OFFSHORE LOW PASSES TO THE WEST. THESE STRONG WINDSALOFT COUPLED WITH TIGHTENING SURFACE GRADIENTS WILL HELP WINDSALONG THE COAST TO RISE LATE THIS EVENING TO 25 TO 35 MPH WITH GUSTSAROUND 60 MPH. WINDS WILL INCREASE AFTER MIDNIGHT OVER THEINTERIOR...WITH SUSTAINED WINDS OF 25 TO 35 MPH AND GUSTS REACHING50-55 MPH. A HIGH WIND WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 00Z-18Z SUNFOR THE CENTRAL AND NORTH COASTS OF WESTERN WASHINGTON...AND A WINDADVISORIES FOR THE PERIOD FROM 06Z TO 20Z SUN IN THE INTERIOR LOWLANDS. I get long range tunnel vision and I often miss this stuff.. lol! Nothing epic here but more than I anticipated. The WRF is pretty much yawning over this scenario. It will probably get a bit windy though. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Canadian Ensemble isn't good. It gets better after that. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvssnow_spokane Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 The WRF is pretty much yawning over this scenario. It will probably get a bit windy though.I think Winds in the 25 to 35 range are reasonable although leaning on the lower end. I do not think we will see gusts to 50 or 55 at your or my house but I do see gusts to 30ish range. Again, nothing to exciting but I will enjoy watching it mature on the satellite. I often do not follow the WRF to tightly as it gets this stuff wrong from time to time. That being said, I say you and I are in mid 30 maybe 40's for our highest winds gusts with average wind speeds in the teens to low 20's. Pretty run of the mill stuff. Quote My Weather Station https://tempestwx.com/station/61434 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvssnow_spokane Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 It gets better after that.I do not have access to anything beyond 240 hours. What do you use? Quote My Weather Station https://tempestwx.com/station/61434 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 MJO a signal is still coherent, and has now moved into phase-8. RMM plots: http://catchmypicture.com/f/ZzyPV5/640.jpg Notice the gradual eastward propagation/retraction of the mean Walker Cell integral since early December..reflected in wind tendencies. The "great wall of QBO/HC-driven wave refraction" is beginning to break down: http://catchmypicture.com/f/kFd6wV/800.jpg Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Wow the 48/35 average at SLE this month is only 1.1 degrees above average. Shows you how awful the 1981-2010 norms were. If we ever have a classic cold January it will have an off the charts negative departure from the 30 year norm.... Make no mistake, this month has been a torch. Upper levels matter the most, but even in the lowlands it'll end up with a large number of 50+ days and no significant cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 It gets better after that. That is already 240 hours out. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard mann Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 MJO a signal is still coherent, and has now moved into phase-8. RMM plots: Notice the gradual eastward propagation/retraction of the mean Walker Cell integral since early December..reflected in wind tendencies. The "great wall of QBO/HC-driven wave refraction" is beginning to break down: ... All equating to the idea that ... Quote --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 MJO a signal is still coherent, and has now moved into phase-8. RMM plots: http://catchmypicture.com/f/ZzyPV5/640.jpg Notice the gradual eastward propagation/retraction of the mean Walker Cell integral since early December..reflected in wind tendencies. The "great wall of QBO/HC-driven wave refraction" is beginning to break down: http://catchmypicture.com/f/kFd6wV/800.jpgCorrect me if I'm wrong, but looking at the lower level winds doesn't prove much in this situation. It's the upper level convergence which suppresses the MJO and breaks down it's structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard mann Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 More toward what end .. or potential future case "situation" are we talking about here more specifically if I may "TheNewBigMack". ? — What might these ideas, perhaps lead to. ? .. Where, and Why. ? Quote --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 The 18z GFS is making a good attempt at a retrogression in the period that the ECMWF shows it happening. There is some hope of a good outcome, but it's very iffy at this point. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong, but looking at the lower level winds doesn't prove much in this situation. It's the upper level convergence which suppresses the MJO and breaks down it's structure.True, but the +Walker/+Ferrel/^Hadley that's responsible for the upper level dateline convergence is/was also responsible for keeping the WWBs at bay. The current MJO wave is currently trying to break this barrier, forcing a curvature in the critical field lines that demark mass transport thresholds..the forecasted WWBs are a result this perturbation. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 MJO a signal is still coherent, and has now moved into phase-8. RMM plots: Notice the gradual eastward propagation/retraction of the mean Walker Cell integral since early December..reflected in wind tendencies. The "great wall of QBO/HC-driven wave refraction" is beginning to break down: No doubt this should shake up the mid latitude patterns. The ECMWF likes the idea of a wave in region 4 or 5 again in early Feb. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 True, but the +Walker/+Ferrel/^Hadley that's responsible for the upper level dateline convergence is/was also responsible for keeping the WWBs at bay. The current MJO wave is currently trying to break this barrier, forcing a curvature in the critical field lines that demark mass transport thresholds..the forecasted WWBs are a result this perturbation.That's true as well. We'll have to see if convergence once again strengthens once this current wave dies. It's progressed a bit further east than previous waves, but looks to die off quick and reemerge over the IO shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 That's true as well. We'll have to see if convergence once again strengthens once this current wave dies. It's progressed a bit further east than previous waves, but looks to die off quick and reemerge over the IO shortly.I agree with you on the eventual IO re-emergence (should be expected given the lack of longitudinal U-W response), but I suspect the damage will have been done by then (critical field lines retract w/ HCs, shallow Walker Cell). Overall, looking a bit more Nino-ish in the far-extended range..kind of like a February 2010/2014 hybrid. That wall near the dateline will eventually come crashing down, imo.. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Update yesterday... ECMWF weeklies interpretation through the middle of February. http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/alertengine/2015/590x458_01161421_jan15a.png http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/alertengine/2015/590x458_01161421_jan15b.png http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/pub/includes/columns/alertengine/2015/590x458_01161422_jan15c.png Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 No doubt this should shake up the mid latitude patterns. The ECMWF likes the idea of a wave in region 4 or 5 again in early Feb.At this point, you want the MJO in regions 1-3..the correlations/responses are different from year to year..this year they're really backwards with the +ENSO/+Hadley/-QBO..that's a relatively rare combo.. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 17, 2015 Report Share Posted January 17, 2015 Update yesterday... ECMWF weeklies interpretation through the middle of February. That model loves to stagnate the tropical forcings in the long range..I suspect it's too warm in the East after the 1st week of February.. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Very warm air on the way. SLE up to 58. Could get the frogs croaking earlier this spring. Strange to see such a condensed "winter" season. Things were very summer like, with blooming flowers, green trees etc through the end of October this year. Now there are already trees blossoming in spots, bulbs pushing up just 2 1/2 months later. Probably the shortest dormant season I have ever witnessed here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 We are gradually becoming a Mediterranean climate. Should happen in a big way over the next 20-30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 We are gradually becoming a Mediterranean climate. Should happen in a big way over the next 20-30 years. Weenie freak out alert. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Weenie freak out alert.More of a fairly sober observation, really. We will still see wintery events here and there, but the underlying long term warming trend will continue as it has the last century or more. No real reason to think otherwise. We are so ridiculously removed from the climate of 30 years ago, Extrapolate that out another 30 years and Sacramento jr really isn't much of a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I agree with you on the eventual IO re-emergence (should be expected given the lack of longitudinal U-W response), but I suspect the damage will have been done by then (critical field lines retract w/ HCs, shallow Walker Cell). Overall, looking a bit more Nino-ish in the far-extended range..kind of like a February 2010/2014 hybrid. That wall near the dateline will eventually come crashing down, imo..The early Feb timeframe is most likely our last opportunity, so not really worried if the MJO is able to penetrate further into the pacific this next go around. Gives us a stormy start to spring with an Aleutian low type pattern potentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 The early Feb timeframe is most likely our last opportunity, so not really worried if the MJO is able to penetrate further into the pacific this next go around. Gives us a stormy start to spring with an Aleutian low type pattern potentially.I think an Aleutian low is the only pattern we've seen the last year or more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 At this point, you want the MJO in regions 1-3..the correlations/responses are different from year to year..this year they're really backwards with the +ENSO/+Hadley/-QBO..that's a relatively rare combo..While I agree that favored MJO positions shift year to year, even month to month, the MC region (4-5) really has been our only opportunity this season. Regions 1-3 have reset the overall pattern which sets the stage for Aleutian ridging and initiates the increased model watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandExperience Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 More of a fairly sober observation, really. We will still see wintery events here and there, but the underlying long term warming trend will continue as it has the last century or more. No real reason to think otherwise. We are so ridiculously removed from the climate of 30 years ago, Extrapolate that out another 30 years and Sacramento jr really isn't much of a stretch. I expect WeatherPhil to have the climate of Ashville in about 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I expect WeatherPhil to have the climate of Ashville in about 30 years.I think he is thinking something more along the lines of Barrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 We are gradually becoming a Mediterranean climate. Should happen in a big way over the next 20-30 years. I picture you posting this in a dark corner of your house, wearing a hoodie over your head and sobbing into a wall while Elliott Smith plays in the background. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I picture you posting this in a dark corner of your house, wearing a hoodie over your head and sobbing into a wall while Elliott Smith plays in the background.Says the original oncoming Mediterranean climate bemoaner. I'm actually chilling in the Washington Square Mall while my fiancé is bra shopping. True story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Says the original oncoming Mediterranean climate bemoaner. I'm actually chilling in the Washington Square Mall while my fiancé is bra shopping. True story. I hope she finds the support she needs. 2 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Tough times... Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Tough times...A little realism never hurt anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Says the original oncoming Mediterranean climate bemoaner. I'm actually chilling in the Washington Square Mall while my fiancé is bra shopping. True story. Depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Depressing.Yup. I envy your lifetime of solitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 A little realism never hurt anyone.The amount we're changing to a Mediterranean is directly proportional to the amount someone allows or has allowed themselves to believe our climate is less Mediterranean than it is. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yup. I envy your lifetime of solitude. I'm not the one currently fretting about the 58 degree temps creeping up I-5. I hope you have something fun planned for later! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 The amount we're changing to a Mediterranean is directly proportional to the amount someone allows or has allowed themselves to believe our climate is less Mediterranean than it is.Good point. We have always had some characteristics. Places like Redding, Rome and Athens are a lot closer, though. Every year, with the background warming trend you yourself acknowledge, we inch just a little closer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I'm not the one currently fretting about the 58 degree temps creeping up I-5. I hope you have something fun planned for later!Weather is weather. Mall is a good place to post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Weather is weather. Mall is a good place to post! I prefer to post while driving. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Weather is weather. Mall is a good place to post! You should go to the Cheesecake Factory if you're at Washington Square. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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