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Skeptics of climate change impact - what would change your mind?


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Posted 16 December 2019 - 07:09 PM

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Title says it all.



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Posted 16 December 2019 - 08:56 PM

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Looking forward to the responses.

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Posted 17 December 2019 - 11:22 AM

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Anyone who doesn't buy worst case projections hook, line, and sinker is labeled some sort of skeptic nowadays.The boundaries of the discussion are becomingly increasingly polarized and wrought with hyperbole, sadly. 

 

Worst case scenarios exist for a reason. Generally to model an outlier that will primarily function as a means of driving an agenda home.

 

And the title doesn't actually say much, as I'm not sure what you're really asking or trying to say. 


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Posted 17 December 2019 - 04:29 PM

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Would you elaborate?  Projected climate change impacts are all over the board.



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Posted 17 December 2019 - 09:03 PM

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Anyone who doesn't buy worst case projections hook, line, and sinker is labeled some sort of skeptic nowadays.The boundaries of the discussion are becomingly increasingly polarized and wrought with hyperbole, sadly. 

 

Worst case scenarios exist for a reason. Generally to model an outlier that will primarily function as a means of driving an agenda home.

 

And the title doesn't actually say much, as I'm not sure what you're really asking or trying to say. 

 

He is posting this to validate a perception that he has of the board, a place filled with alt right neo nazis foaming at the mouth to start lynchings to Make America Great Again. I don't think there is any intellectual honesty in this and it just serve as fly paper to some political torture fetish.


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Posted 18 December 2019 - 10:32 AM

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Certain aspects of the media, more interested in clickbait than information, have hyped the runaway feedback and catastrophic consequences that ignore the bulk of the science.  Failed predictions (ice-free arctic by 2013, etc.)  not based in science only create doubters.  Doubters are further inflamed when attacked personally or dissension is suppressed.

 

I can't imagine there are many people on this forum that think we can pump CO2, particulates,and all kinds of other unnatural substances, coupled with deforestation and development, without impacting the climate.  The extent of the impact is the controversy.  


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Posted 22 December 2019 - 08:42 AM

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Oh boy!

 

For starters I would like to see evidence the current climate would be any different if mankind wasn't walking the Earth.  It is simply unproveable given the fact that nothing we are seeing is outside of the envelope of what has happened in the past.  As I'm sure many younger people aren't aware sea levels rose over 50 feet and maybe as much as 200 feet after the last ice age before man could have had any impact whatsoever.  Now the global warming proponents freak out over an inch or so rise in the last 100 years?  There was a brief period earlier in this interglacial period where temperatures were warmer than present and excellent evidence the warmest period during the last interglacial was warmer than present as well.

 

Climate change is literally a constant.  Always has been and always will be.


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Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2019-20 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 3.7"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 3

Total Hail = T

Coldest Low = 20

Lows 32 or below = 60

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 1

Highs 40 or below = 10

 

 


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Posted 22 December 2019 - 08:46 AM

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Certain aspects of the media, more interested in clickbait than information, have hyped the runaway feedback and catastrophic consequences that ignore the bulk of the science.  Failed predictions (ice-free arctic by 2013, etc.)  not based in science only create doubters.  Doubters are further inflamed when attacked personally or dissension is suppressed.

 

I can't imagine there are many people on this forum that think we can pump CO2, particulates,and all kinds of other unnatural substances, coupled with deforestation and development, without impacting the climate.  The extent of the impact is the controversy.  

 

Good points.  We also have no idea what mechanisms nature may have to offset any effect we might be having.  There is also a chance the things we might doing to effect the climate could be cancelling each other out to some extent.  Such as one thing might encourage warming while another could cause cooling.


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Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2019-20 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 3.7"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 3

Total Hail = T

Coldest Low = 20

Lows 32 or below = 60

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 1

Highs 40 or below = 10

 

 


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Posted 15 January 2020 - 11:27 AM

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Climate Change. Now that's something sure to get the blood boiling. Strickly speaking Climate Change, or global warming, is a scheme for the development of a carbon tax. This carbon tax will fund the developing Global Government. This scheme has already captured the mainstream media and most government institutions. It has produced division that can only be reconciled with civil war.

 

To answer your question. What would it take to change my mind?

 

C follows T.  Not the other way around. C being carbon and T is temperature. If you can reverse this property of physics. I'm on board.

 

The fact is that heat is energy. The more heat, the more biological activity. The process of more life  increases both methane and carbon emissions. 


A Navy Chief said, "Never change your forecast. That way you can only be wrong once."


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Posted 31 January 2020 - 03:59 PM

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Seeing real evidence would be a great start.

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Posted 31 January 2020 - 04:12 PM

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Disprove Newton's 3rd law. That will help too.