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[Chewbacca Defense]

14 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

Since when Trump has had 34 Felony Counts? Were the charges intentionally trumped (no pun intended) to try to prove that Trump is a criminal??

My thought was *only* 34 felony counts??  Also, that's just from New York, we haven't even gotten to Georgia, the classified documents investigation or the January 6th investigation, if those can get to this point.  Sounds like Georgia and the classified documents cases are pretty close, the January 6th case is a lot more complicated...a lot of layers on that one.

 

 

[Deweydog]

52 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

Since when Trump has had 34 Felony Counts? Were the charges intentionally trumped (no pun intended) to try to prove that Trump is a criminal??

I’ve never worked entirely on the criminal defense side, but I’ve been party to a lot of conversations where “layering” of charges is usually viewed as tasty plea fodder or prosecutorial symbolism at best. Puts simply, it’s viewed as a sign of weakness once the impact of sheer volume is stripped away. This type of layering is also more common when it comes to financial crimes because they’re easily compartmentalized thanks in part to more murky mens rea tests. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

60% of Americans polled support the Trump indictment.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/03/politics/cnn-poll-trump-indictment/index.html

And he never got a majority of the popular votes in any election he ran in. Can we stop with this crap about him being the “people’s” choice? Because, overall, he is not.

[Andie]

Can’t wait till the details come out on the Biden family money affairs not to mention storing classified files in his garage, the Biden Center and in China town. Heard that last one yesterday!   
A VP can not declassify documents. 
It’s all a mess tangled up with political ambition and vitriol.
Pot, meet kettle. 

[Andie]

20 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Yep my father was the same.  One of the last to be able to get money for *just* working there (Weyerhaeuser) for an extended period of time.  He got a 401k matching, too!

Those were the days.

No more. 
I think they want to hold us down. Worker bees.  If we aren’t working we’re somehow useless consumers.  
Yet if you’re wealthy and not working you’re in a class above.  
I’m sick of double standards.  

[Chewbacca Defense]

2 hours ago, Andie said:

Can’t wait till the details come out on the Biden family money affairs not to mention storing classified files in his garage, the Biden Center and in China town. Heard that last one yesterday!   
A VP can not declassify documents. 
It’s all a mess tangled up with political ambition and vitriol.
Pot, meet kettle. 

you forgot the Hunter Biden laptop, if you are going to hit the MAGA dog whistles, gotta be sure to include that one.

And a President can't just think "it's declassified" and that changes the classification status of a document.

All seriousness though, the whole thing with the classified documents with Trump is not that he had them, its that he refused to hand them over for over a year, and deliberately tried to hide them.  We didn't even hear about it for the longest time as the government tried to work with Trump behind the scenes.  I think that once it became apparent that they were going to take more "drastic" measures (physically retrieving it themselves) they started making public the issues they were having. 

For Biden and Pence, the documents were discovered and the proper authorities were immediately contacted and the documents retrieved.  Given the timing, it would not surprise me if the government contacted the other administrations and had them look, or maybe they took it upon themselves to check.  At the end of the day, if Biden, Pence, or anyone else is found to be deliberately trying to keep and hide classified information they shouldn't have, then they should face consequences as well.

I've heard several interviews from security experts that said this happens more often than anyone realizes.  The difference is that the issues is immediately rectified.

Had Trump done the same, its quite possible we wouldn't even know about it.  I am curious why we haven't heard anything about Obama or Gee-Dub, as it seems to be a process problem.

I can see where it would be tricky, the outgoing President lives in the residence up until the very last minute.  They still have to run the government up until that last minute take the time to do a hand-off to a new administration, then BOOM, all his crap has to be shoved out and all the new President's crap has to shoved in within a matter of hours.

 

[Iceresistance]

Also, there is apparently a huge plot twist in the Trump hush money case.

 

It is not a crime to do hush payments. Even the WAPO confirmed it.

[Andie]

8 hours ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

you forgot the Hunter Biden laptop, if you are going to hit the MAGA dog whistles, gotta be sure to include that one.

And a President can't just think "it's declassified" and that changes the classification status of a document.

All seriousness though, the whole thing with the classified documents with Trump is not that he had them, its that he refused to hand them over for over a year, and deliberately tried to hide them.  We didn't even hear about it for the longest time as the government tried to work with Trump behind the scenes.  I think that once it became apparent that they were going to take more "drastic" measures (physically retrieving it themselves) they started making public the issues they were having. 

For Biden and Pence, the documents were discovered and the proper authorities were immediately contacted and the documents retrieved.  Given the timing, it would not surprise me if the government contacted the other administrations and had them look, or maybe they took it upon themselves to check.  At the end of the day, if Biden, Pence, or anyone else is found to be deliberately trying to keep and hide classified information they shouldn't have, then they should face consequences as well.

I've heard several interviews from security experts that said this happens more often than anyone realizes.  The difference is that the issues is immediately rectified.

Had Trump done the same, its quite possible we wouldn't even know about it.  I am curious why we haven't heard anything about Obama or Gee-Dub, as it seems to be a process problem.

I can see where it would be tricky, the outgoing President lives in the residence up until the very last minute.  They still have to run the government up until that last minute take the time to do a hand-off to a new administration, then BOOM, all his crap has to be shoved out and all the new President's crap has to shoved in within a matter of hours.

 

This isn’t dog whistle or knee jerk reaction.  I’ll stay on topic. I’ve stated before I’m no fan of Trump but he’s like a bad itch we can’t get rid off.  
No one is paying equal attention to the slacker manner of classified files by the Biden’s.  Not a gd word.  Then there’s the Clintons and the Bush’s. 

Let’s give equal treatment under the law.  Where are the investigations and impeachments regarding all the Chinese payments, Ukraine involvement, profiteering by brother and wife?  Jill had an office in China like Joe and Hunter as well as Bobolinski, the whistle blower.  
I’ve got a good nose for character these guys stink.

The Biden’s, the Trumps, Bushes and Clinton’s are stinking up the joint like 4 day old fish!!
Investigate. 
Prosecute. 
Incarnate. 
They’re all getting very ripe and need to go…for good.  
Then lose the key and let’s try to vet some new people and get it closer to right.   
Trump should just be the start of the prosecutions.  

[Andie]

Just learned this-

President Biden has another Democratic challenger vying for the presidency following Robert F. Kennedy Jr. filing paperwork with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday. 
This’ll be fun!   
 

Biden the Covid vaccine cheerleader and RFK the anti vaccine public health specialist.  This’ll be fun.  

[Chewbacca Defense]

4 hours ago, Andie said:

This isn’t dog whistle or knee jerk reaction.  I’ll stay on topic. I’ve stated before I’m no fan of Trump but he’s like a bad itch we can’t get rid off.  
No one is paying equal attention to the slacker manner of classified files by the Biden’s.  Not a gd word.  Then there’s the Clintons and the Bush’s. 

Let’s give equal treatment under the law.  Where are the investigations and impeachments regarding all the Chinese payments, Ukraine involvement, profiteering by brother and wife?  Jill had an office in China like Joe and Hunter as well as Bobolinski, the whistle blower.  
I’ve got a good nose for character these guys stink.

The Biden’s, the Trumps, Bushes and Clinton’s are stinking up the joint like 4 day old fish!!
Investigate. 
Prosecute. 
Incarnate. 
They’re all getting very ripe and need to go…for good.  
Then lose the key and let’s try to vet some new people and get it closer to right.   
Trump should just be the start of the prosecutions.  

If Biden is guilty of something, I'm sure the Republican led house will get to the bottom of it, they are hell bent on roasting him....

 

Oh wait....they are even more hell bent on trying to protect Trump and prove the so called "stolen" election.....so....never mind.

 

I agree, the whole lot of them needs to go away.  The best thing that could happen for this country is term limits....and figuring out how to keep special interest money out of politics.  We will have a cure for cancer and a pill that will make us immortal before that happens though.

[Chewbacca Defense]

52 minutes ago, Andie said:

Just learned this-

President Biden has another Democratic challenger vying for the presidency following Robert F. Kennedy Jr. filing paperwork with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday. 
This’ll be fun!   
 

Biden the Covid vaccine cheerleader and RFK the anti vaccine public health specialist.  This’ll be fun.  

Oh goodie, the Republican wingnuts that have come out of the woodworks are now inspiring the Democratic wingnuts to come out of the woodworks.  What a fu*king idiot..just what we need, let's bring measles, polio and all of those other super fun illnesses back. 

My step-daughter was on the anti-vax/autism bandwagon until her son turned up with autism.   

He is fully vaxxed now

I don't see Kennedy getting too far being an environmental lawyer, big business ain't got not time for that kinda sh*t!

It will create quite the quandary for the liberals, they'll love him for his environmental chops, but all but the most extreme libs will struggle with the anti-vax nonsense. 

 

[roadtonowhere08]

1 hour ago, Andie said:

Just learned this-

President Biden has another Democratic challenger vying for the presidency following Robert F. Kennedy Jr. filing paperwork with the Federal Election Commission on Wednesday. 
This’ll be fun!   
 

Biden the Covid vaccine cheerleader and RFK the anti vaccine public health specialist.  This’ll be fun.  

Oh FFS!!!  Can we get a Bush or a Clinton to run while we are at it?

[Rubus Leucodermis]

[roadtonowhere08]

30 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Yusef is a bigger man than most.  If it was up to me, I wouldn't wet the sponge for Trump.

[Chewbacca Defense]

22 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Just watched a video by Beau of the fifth column on this not 5 minutes ago, and I love one of his closing statements...."it goes to show money doesn't buy class."

Very powerful letter.

 

[Chewbacca Defense]

I saw the liberals won back the Supreme Court in Wisconsin, and the Republicans with their shiny new super-majority are already planning to impeach one of the liberal judges. 

I had no idea how badly the Republicans had gerrymandered that state, but I caught a story that reported that 60-ish percent of the population voted democrat, but Republicans held about 55-60-ish percent of the legislative seats.

Something pretty rotten going on there, but its okay, its the party of integrity and personal responsibility. 

[Andie]

I don’t see Kennedy winning either.  
It’ll be interesting how it affects the conversation on the campaign trail.  
The day of the moderate Democrat is past - for now.  Progressives are carrying more weight. 

[SnarkyGoblin]

9 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

The man is a genuine monster.

[Iceresistance]

Vetoed Kansas Bill gets overridden

[Rubus Leucodermis]

3 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

Vetoed Kansas Bill gets overridden

Because nothing quite says “limited government” like state-manded inspections of school children’s genitals.

[Chewbacca Defense]

5 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Because nothing says "limited government" like state-manded inspections of school children's genitals.

I hope that every last child of every last legislator who voted for this gets reported as trans and has his or her genitals inspected.

These people need to learn that the hurt they are imposing on others will come back to their own families.

Though not quite as serious as this, it is kinda funny to hear about some of the unintended consequences of these puritan measures such as the Bible getting flagged as inappropriate in Utah, and Desantis' book getting flagged as inappropriate.

Limited governments, "Muh Freeydums", personal responsibilities and all that....

Also have to chuckle to the legal maneuvering Disney did in advance of DeSantis hijacking the Reedy Creek Improvement District.  It was pretty f*cking hilarious to watch the video of the board meeting where they fully recognize what was done.....King Charles rule.....CLASSIC!

[roadtonowhere08]

2 hours ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

Though not quite as serious as this, it is kinda funny to hear about some of the unintended consequences of these puritan measures such as the Bible getting flagged as inappropriate in Utah, and Desantis' book getting flagged as inappropriate.

Limited governments, "Muh Freeydums", personal responsibilities and all that....

Also have to chuckle to the legal maneuvering Disney did in advance of DeSantis hijacking the Reedy Creek Improvement District.  It was pretty f*cking hilarious to watch the video of the board meeting where they fully recognize what was done.....King Charles rule.....CLASSIC!

Well funded private enterprise will ALWAYS have the best lawyers.  Best to just leave Disney alone.  Not like that flaccid state has anything else of value.

[roadtonowhere08]

2 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Because nothing quite says “limited government” like state-manded inspections of school children’s genitals.

Paging Dr. Marine Layer... Paging Dr. Marine Layer...

There is an easy solution: 4 leagues or categories or whatever.  Anything less than that and it is a mess.

Those raising concerns about athletes with a very obvious physical advantage due to their being trans do have a point.  It's not fair.  No way around that fact.

[Anti Marine Layer]

27 minutes ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Paging Dr. Marine Layer... Paging Dr. Marine Layer...

There is an easy solution: 4 leagues or categories or whatever.  Anything less than that and it is a mess.

Those raising concerns about athletes with a very obvious physical advantage due to their being trans do have a point.  It's not fair.  No way around that fact.

To solve the bathroom issue, they could require all-gender single occupancy restrooms in addition to men's and women's rooms. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

9 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

To solve the bathroom issue, they could require all-gender single occupancy restrooms in addition to men's and women's rooms. 

This is what a brewpub did in Seattle (and not recently, about a decade ago). One solution for everyone, and the hand-washing station is out in public so peer pressure motivates people to wash their hands. (Plus you don’t have to touch a germy doorknob right after washing your hands.)

[Iceresistance]

Apparently, Bragg violated the 6th Amendment on Trump.

[SnarkyGoblin]

Tennessee sure is doing a good job to show us that they hate democracy.

[MossMan]

28 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Tennessee sure is doing a good job to show us that they hate democracy.

 

[Andie]

Russia’s international Arms Dealer has warned Trump that his life is in danger in the US and he should come to Russia. 
https://www.newsweek.com/russias-merchant-death-warns-donald-trump-his-life-danger-1793211

[SnarkyGoblin]

Under His Eye.

[SnarkyGoblin]

1 hour ago, Andie said:

Russia’s international Arms Dealer has warned Trump that his life is in danger in the US and he should come to Russia. 
https://www.newsweek.com/russias-merchant-death-warns-donald-trump-his-life-danger-1793211

At one point I thought Trump might flee to Russia to avoid jail.

[Iceresistance]

15 hours ago, Andie said:

Russia’s international Arms Dealer has warned Trump that his life is in danger in the US and he should come to Russia. 
https://www.newsweek.com/russias-merchant-death-warns-donald-trump-his-life-danger-1793211

I'd rather not go there as it could be a trap. I'd rather be in the USA over Russia if I were him.

[Iceresistance]

Someone is committing anti-Semitic hate crimes in OKC, and whoever that person is is also an Anti-Trumper and Anti-Biden!

 

OKC residents disturbed by anti-Semitic messages on their driveways | KFOR.com Oklahoma City

(Article has a TW for that reason)

[SnarkyGoblin]

1 hour ago, Iceresistance said:

Someone is committing anti-Semitic hate crimes in OKC, and whoever that person is is also an Anti-Trumper and Anti-Biden!

 

OKC residents disturbed by anti-Semitic messages on their driveways | KFOR.com Oklahoma City

(Article has a TW for that reason)

People with large microphones blaming their problems on an old jew with money could perhaps have "unintended" consequences.

[Andie]

Well, he does advance some radical groups.  He’s quite a far left progressive.    But no matter who’s the one inviting it, it’s just plain wrong.  

[SnarkyGoblin]

39 minutes ago, Andie said:

Well, he does advance some radical groups.  He’s quite a far left progressive.    But no matter who’s the one inviting it, it’s just plain wrong.  

Such as....? Bragg, a duly elected DA?

[Andie]

It’s no secret that he like his Progressives on the far left side.  

[SnarkyGoblin]

Clarence Thomas hanging out with the coolest of people.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11952469/Republican-megadonor-Clarence-Thomas-benefactors-huge-collection-Hitler-memorabilia-revealed.html

 

[Andie]

Random factoid : George Soros’ son, Alexander (mini-me) Soros has mad 15 visits to the White House since Biden took office.  That’s like every 53 days.
How many of us see our in-laws that often much less local city representatives?  
Wonder what their chats are about?