Polite Politics

[Anti Marine Layer]

2 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Sounds like the old right wing echo chamber myth of students being provided kitty boxes because they identify as cats is being revived in slightly different form.

Can't find it on Snopes or other fact checking sites, but New York Post published it.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

7 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Can't find it on Snopes or other fact checking sites, but New York Post published it.

Another echo in the chamber, I suspect.

This is the earlier hoax about kitty litter boxes in schools:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/01/30/how-furries-got-swept-up-in-anti-trans-litter-box-rumors/

[Iceresistance]

4 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Another echo in the chamber, I suspect.

This is the earlier hoax about kitty litter boxes in schools:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/01/30/how-furries-got-swept-up-in-anti-trans-litter-box-rumors/

Some idiot decided to pull that prank, and look at what they done.

[Stormy]

Jamie O'Keefe dropped his biggest story yet! As the saying goes.... "Follow the money".

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1671262303319392259?s=20

[Iceresistance]

2 hours ago, Stormy said:

Jamie O'Keefe dropped his biggest story yet! As the saying goes.... "Follow the money".

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1671262303319392259?s=20

Oh my goodness, this is the definition of corruption by money, they think money buys everything.

[Minny_Weather]

I've never seen Rubus and Marine Layer like the same post before, there's a first for everything.

[SnarkyGoblin]

California is no longer America's most expensive state for gas | CNN Business

We're number one! We're number one!

[Rubus Leucodermis]

40 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

California is no longer America's most expensive state for gas | CNN Business

We're number one! We're number one!

Almost caught up to gas prices in BC.

[roadtonowhere08]

7 hours ago, Stormy said:

Jamie O'Keefe dropped his biggest story yet! As the saying goes.... "Follow the money".

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1671262303319392259?s=20

Hands up if you're surprised.

Anyone?

[Rubus Leucodermis]

On 6/19/2023 at 3:40 PM, Iceresistance said:

Online has too many bots to spoof (and alter) the voting results.

A paper trail is just easier for humans to understand. And that is important.

By all means, use computer technology to expedite the process of vote tabulating. But also have a paper trail, so if need be humans can manually count things and verify there were no bugs or malicious tampering with computer code.

Interestingly, that is compatible with vote by mail. Oregon and Washington (and a number of other states, including at least one conservative-leaning state, Utah), use computer-scannable paper ballots that voters either mail in or drop off at secure lockboxes. If there are any questions about the accuracy of the vote tabulating, the ballots can be counted manually as a check. (And they have been, as needed.)

[Iceresistance]

3 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

California is no longer America's most expensive state for gas | CNN Business

We're number one! We're number one!

You should not be bragging about being the most expensive state for gas

[Iceresistance]

36 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

A paper trail is just easier for humans to understand. And that is important.

By all means, use computer technology to expedite the process of vote tabulating. But also have a paper trail, so if need be humans can manually count things and verify there were no bugs or malicious tampering with computer code.

Interestingly, that is compatible with vote by mail. Oregon and Washington (and a number of other states, including at least one conservative-leaning state, Utah), use computer-scannable paper ballots that voters either mail in or drop off at secure lockboxes. If there are any questions about the accuracy of the vote tabulating, the ballots can be counted manually as a check. (And they have been, as needed.)

There is increased risk of hacking with online voting. In Oklahoma, there is no online voting, and you must have an ID to vote. An ID is a failsafe on anyone who tries to vote multiple times. (I believe that voter fraud always exists, but it's too small to overturn elections.)

I do understand ID can be faked, but there are anti-counterfeit features on the legitimate ones.

[Stormy]

On 6/15/2023 at 10:24 AM, hawkstwelve said:

-Sigh-

Come on, man. I get the vibe that you are an ultra-MAGA Republican and with having some family members that are also ultra-MAGA, I know this is a common talking point among you guys. "But Biden!! But Hillary!!" I have a few points:

1. Biden is still currently under investigation for his handling of the documents. But guess what... Mike Pence also had documents found in his home. Want to know why he wasn't indicted? Because he complied with the law and didn't actively try to obstruct the investigation. I'll give you the Hillary situation back in 2016 was a bunch of malarky and IMO, she should have been prosecuted as she did try to obstruct the investigation by deleting thousands of emails. Unfortunately, we had James Comey back then who was as big of a hack as any previous FBI leader in the history of our country. Just the way the pendulum swings sometimes. But stop with this "what about everyone else?!?!?!" narrative because the fact of the matter is many politicians have been found with classified documents (which is a problem in and of it's own) and just as many have complied with the proceeding investigations. Trump did not. Period.

2. In relation to the above, Trump turned in 197 documents after many back and forths with NARA and the government. Guess what man??? He didn't get indicted for any of those!!! Not a single one. Because, again, in that instance he complied with the request of the government to return the documents. The 31 documents he didn't comply with and actively tried to hide, allegedly admitting as such on tape, he got indicted with because no matter how many times he may "just look" at a document, it doesn't make it de-classified and it doesn't make it his property. It's the property of the US Government, not Donald Trump. End of story.

3. Finally, I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot and Obama was found to be actively obstructing an investigation and willfully keeping documents that he wasn't allowed to have, would you be singing the same tune? If it was found that he was waving around and showing people some of our most closely held secrets, would you be saying that the DOJ is weaponized against Obama? Would you say that it's a 'witch hunt'? NO. You would be screaming from the rooftops that he should be in jail and never allowed to hold public office again because it was a complete dereliction of duty to put our nation's secrets in jeopardy like that. So stop with the utter hypocrisy.

As a staunchly conservative Republican (although I tend to have libertarian leanings at times), I implore you and your MAGA buddies to please please please reconsider voting for him. Even if you assume he is an innocent man and the entire world is out to get him, do you really want to take a chance that he loses to Biden because he's so focused on the myriad of legal issues and trials he'll be going through next year that he can't give his 110% into the campaign? Do you really want us to lose again, for the fourth time in a row? He is completely unelectable in a general election and will be going through so much next year that he is guaranteed to lose. So, if you vote for him, I'll ping you again next year when we lose and point to this post while saying "I told you so" and we stare down the barrel of a Kamala Harris presidency. But I'll try to hold back on calling you too much of an idiot.

Pence got caught before he handed over docs. And you, and everyone knows they would've tried to arrest Trump on some other bogus charges no matter if he would've turned them over or not. They were after him from day one, soon after announced his candidacy, because he's not part of the establishment, and a threat to the deep state. Besides, Pence told CNN in November 2022 that he did not take any classified documents with him when he left office.

Obviously, that was a lie. 

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1617937123948244993?s=20

Again, as vice president, Mike Pence, like Joe Biden, could not take classified documents. It was illegal for them both to do so. Joe Biden. has been holding classified documents since 1974.

And then I stumbled upon this just a bit ago. I never heard of the guys or have no clue who they are, but I think he knows more about the legalities of this than you or I do, and it makes a lot of sense. 

 

I also found out that all of the docs in Trump's possession didn't even fill one of those boxes the rest of those boxes were filled with personal items and who knows what. Anyway I'm behind on this thread and noticed a few long winded rants which I haven't had a time to read. 

[Stormy]

1 hour ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Hands up if you're surprised.

Anyone?

Duh. The bottom line isn't if we're surprised about or not, but now we have video proof of one of their guys spilling the beans. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 hour ago, Stormy said:

Pence got caught before he handed over docs.

I don't believe @hawkstwelve asserted otherwise. His point was that Pence cooperated once he was found to have mishandled classified documents, and as a result was basically let off with a warning. There is really no evidence that with Pence it was anything other than an accident caused by having to move out in a hurry during a transition.

Trump, on the other hand, deliberately tried to hide documents (and has been caught on tape deliberately ordering his staff in this regard).

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And you, and everyone knows they would've tried to arrest Trump on some other bogus charges no matter if he would've turned them over or not. They were after him from day one, soon after announced his candidacy, because he's not part of the establishment, and a threat to the deep state. Besides, Pence told CNN in November 2022 that he did not take any classified documents with him when he left office.

Or maybe, Trump is just corrupt and entitled as a result of having been born into the Rich Boy establishment and never being expected to obey the rules the Little People are expected to obey. Just a thought.

If anything, the special treatment Trump has received has been special PRIVILEGES. The FBI dragged its feet for OVER A YEAR on investigating Trump’s role in 1/6.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/19/1183098037/washington-post-journalist-on-fbis-delayed-investigation-of-trumps-role-in-jan-6

Finally, how exactly is a coastal multimillionaire who was born into his wealth NOT part of the establishment?

[Iceresistance]

Just now, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Finally, how exactly is a coastal multimillionaire who was born into his wealth NOT part of the establishment?

He was born into a family with no political history

[Rubus Leucodermis]

11 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

He was born into a family with no political history

So was George Soros.

[roadtonowhere08]

2 hours ago, Stormy said:

Duh. The bottom line isn't if we're surprised about or not, but now we have video proof of one of their guys spilling the beans. 

I would have thought Citizens United would have been your more than obvious epiphany but, hey, better late then never.

[roadtonowhere08]

On 6/19/2023 at 3:40 PM, Iceresistance said:

Online has too many bots to spoof (and alter) the voting results.

Better not do online banking or commerce then 
 

It can be done online securely.  Hell, each vote can be turned into a secure digital document and emailed to you.  Results can be tracked in a database in real time with your voter ID and you can screenshot it if you are paranoid.

It can be (and should be) done.

[Anti Marine Layer]

3 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

So was George Soros.

And Dr Oz

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Why do people on the left HATE working families so much?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

So was George Soros.

I was reading Soros is tying up loose ends before he departs for hell and has handed off much of his malfeasance to his son.  

[Deweydog]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/wa-gas-prices-now-highest-in-u-s-experts-point-to-new-climate-legislation/?amp=1
 

[Anti Marine Layer]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Why do people on the left HATE working families so much?

Because hard work and the nuclear family are white values, as is the scientific method. 

[roadtonowhere08]

2 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Why do rich people on the left HATE working families so much?

FTFY

[roadtonowhere08]

52 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Because hard work and the nuclear family are white values, as is the scientific method. 

Seriously.  That's some Klan shite, right there.

[Iceresistance]

10 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Seriously.  That's some Klan shite, right there.

So is the Meme, the meme is racist too

[Iceresistance]

16 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Better not do online banking or commerce then 
 

It can be done online securely.  Hell, each vote can be turned into a secure digital document and emailed to you.  Results can be tracked in a database in real time with your voter ID and you can screenshot it if you are paranoid.

It can be (and should be) done.

Hackers can damage the security, and cause havoc.

 

Also, it is more expensive to do secure online voting compared to the one on paper.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

One of the sickest things I have heard of in some time.

These are the sort of people who willingly become torturers in totalitarian regimes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/Iot1dIWVS5/hunting-the-monkey-torturers

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Ex-FBI analyst who kept classified info in bathroom like Trump going to prison in KC case.

[Anti Marine Layer]

2 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

One of the sickest things I have heard of in some time.

These are the sort of people who willingly become torturers in totalitarian regimes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/Iot1dIWVS5/hunting-the-monkey-torturers

What about this one?

 

[Andie]

20 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I was reading Soros is tying up loose ends before he departs for hell and has handed off much of his malfeasance to his son.  

All aboard. Next stop Lake of Fire !!  

[Andie]

This is old news in a way however they knew the Covid vaccine didn’t work but ordered it anyway.  
https://www.wnd.com/2023/06/cdc-chief-knew-covid-vax-didnt-work-pushing-shots/

Social experiment? Somebody(s) got very rich? Bait & Switch? What was being done while we were diverted? Sequestered.

I’mnot buying it for a moment that Walensky and Fauci were convinced of its effectiveness.  Besides Fauci owns a boatload of Pfizer stock.  (Came out under a full disclosure article months ago)

It’s the guy behind the green curtain gag.  . 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

2 hours ago, Andie said:

This is old news in a way however they knew the Covid vaccine didn’t work but ordered it anyway.  
https://www.wnd.com/2023/06/cdc-chief-knew-covid-vax-didnt-work-pushing-shots/

Social experiment? Somebody(s) got very rich? Bait & Switch? What was being done while we were diverted? Sequestered.

I’mnot buying it for a moment that Walensky and Fauci were convinced of its effectiveness.  Besides Fauci owns a boatload of Pfizer stock.  (Came out under a full disclosure article months ago)

It’s the guy behind the green curtain gag.  . 

Frankly, that’s pure crap.

The COVID vaccines most assuredly did work.

 

 

 

[Andie]

I had my doubts ftom the start.  
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.   

[Rubus Leucodermis]

7 minutes ago, Andie said:

I had my doubts ftom the start.  
We’ll just have to agree to disagree.   

The COVID vaccines work. They reduced the death rate in those who got them. There are mountains of evidence to support this.

If you still believe otherwise, then you are choosing to believe something which the vast preponderance of evidence indicates is false.

[Anti Marine Layer]

1 hour ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Frankly, that’s pure crap.

The COVID vaccines most assuredly did work.

 

 

 

Doesn't say what year it is, but I survived it without getting the vaccine. 

[Chewbacca Defense]

1 hour ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Doesn't say what year it is, but I survived it without getting the vaccine. 

And I didn't die or suffer any long term ill effects from the vaccine and multiple boosters, what exactly is your point?

I also have not sprouted any additional appendages, and my 5G reception has not changed for better or worse.

But I did save a lot of money by switching to Geico.

[Anti Marine Layer]

16 minutes ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

And I didn't die or suffer any long term ill effects from the vaccine and multiple boosters, what exactly is your point?

I also have not sprouted any additional appendages, and my 5G reception has not changed for better or worse.

But I did save a lot of money by switching to Geico.

I know someone who had serious side effects from the vaccine and needed a heart transplant. Everyone I know who got COVID got over it fairly quickly. For me it was no worse than a cold.

However, if you know someone who suffered severely or died from COVID, or you listen to the dire warnings on CNN/MSNBC you would probably want to get the vaccine.

It reduces the severity of the virus for most people, but it does not stop the virus from spreading. 

I'd say a healthy person probably has less than a 0.1% chance of dying from COVID. The vaccine might reduce that to 0.01%.

[Chewbacca Defense]

1 hour ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

I know someone who had serious side effects from the vaccine and needed a heart transplant. Everyone I know who got COVID got over it fairly quickly. For me it was no worse than a cold.

However, if you know someone who suffered severely or died from COVID, or you listen to the dire warnings on CNN/MSNBC you would probably want to get the vaccine.

It reduces the severity of the virus for most people, but it does not stop the virus from spreading. 

I'd say a healthy person probably has less than a 0.1% chance of dying from COVID. The vaccine might reduce that to 0.01%.

ALL vaccines have risks, does that mean you haven't done ANY vaccines?  I hear Guillain-Barre is a real hoot to experience.

I know someone who went into anaphylactic shock when she had the vaccine.  Luckily, she was a healthcare worker and got the vaccine just down the hall from the ER, it took 4-5 epipens to get her stabilized.  When it came time for the booster, for her it was, "ok how do we do this without the whole epipen thing."  She worked with specialists, and ultimately got her booster without issue.  She was with an allergy specialist and they had a whole bunch of epipens on hand (none were required).

I have a hypersensitive immunity response, I have horrible allergies, and that experience definitely gave me a moment of pause, but I ultimately got the jab.  I made sure the staff knew my concerns and kept an eye on me.  I also had my adult daughter with me in case I had issues.  I did have a pretty severe reaction, but not anaphylactic.
 

My son ended up in the hospital from Covid fall of 2020.  Extremely healthy kid, eats very healthy, avid rock climber and hiker.  My wife worked in Hospice in 2020-2021 and had several co-workers get it, and of those, a few had severe long lasting symptoms. The rest got knocked on there a** at a level that was one step worse than getting the flu.

The vaccine reduces the potency of the virus, and makes it harder to spread, especially if you happen to spread it to another vaccinated person. 

I didn't pay attention to the news, I got my information from my healthcare provider wife and even sat in on several town halls her employer held for employees.  This employer has over 16,000 employees spanning from Oregon up to Alaska.

While my wife was not a "true" front line healthcare worker as she is in admin, she did spend her days assembling thousands of PPE kits for all of the doctors, nurses, social workers and chaplins who cared for the couple hundred at home hospice patients in our area.  She also had to deal with the families of patients who could not be with their loved ones in their final days.  There were some incredibly sad stories that came from that.  Folks who should have been able to die with their families at their side instead died alone.

You throw out stats about a healthy person's chances with dying from Covid.  Cool story bro.  What about people who are immune-compromised, and I'm not even talking about people who are immune-compromised because of poor lifestyle choices.  I'm talking about people such as the hospice patients my wife used to work with, or the cancer patients she now works with?  I guess we as a society don't need to do anything to help them out.  F*ck'em, they are going to die anyway right?

It's as if you think that if a healthy person has Covid, their Covid germs are going to go "wait...hang on, we better not infect that person, their immune system is shot, we need to wait and only infect a healthy person" 

Yeah that's EXACTLY how it works.