Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 We haven't had many "spread the wealth" clippers this season. Could this holiday clipper change that? A rather interesting mid-winter clipper is poised to traverse the GL's region late Sunday into Monday laying down several inches of powda not only near the Lakes, but could also impact those out west in the Plains/Midwest. Who's going to cash in??? Could the lake provide some extra juice and fluff up lakeside totals??? Let's discuss the possible outcomes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Given the N trend with many clippers as we close in on the event, I like portions of far NE IA and WI for best snows. Could still see something though. What is somewhat unique is how widespread the snow will be, although it will lack intensity. Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Given the N trend with many clippers as we close in on the event, I like portions of far NE IA and WI for best snows. Could still see something though. What is somewhat unique is how widespread the snow will be, although it will lack intensity.Ya, the 00z GFS went a touch north compared to its 12z run and somewhat similar to the 12z Euro. It's interesting how much it slows down as it pivots across the GL's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 00z GGEM...looks better...covers a large portion of our subforum...I haven't seen a clipper like this in a long time. Seems like it has a frontal snow feature out in the central Plains/MW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig-OmahaWX Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 NAM is pretty aggressive with these couple of systems. I'm game and ready to make up my losses. Quote 2018-2019 Snowfall Totals So Far : 59.5" For More Winter Weather Forecasts for 2017-2018 : https://www.facebook.com/snowdayweather/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clintbeed1993 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 NAM is pretty aggressive with these couple of systems. I'm game and ready to make up my losses. Don't count on it. This setup screams miss to the East. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 It sucks that a clipper that will likely drop at most 4" in the hardest hit areas is this winter's version of share the wealth. Between Friday's and this one, though, I'm hoping that we'll be able to add onto today's snowfall and cover the grass. We need about another 1.5" for that. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 It sucks that a clipper that will likely drop at most 4" in the hardest hit areas is this winter's version of share the wealth. Between Friday's and this one, though, I'm hoping that we'll be able to add onto today's snowfall and cover the grass. We need about another 1.5" for that.I cant remember the last good wound up system ive had. Always seems to be a clipper or some weird open wave that i do well from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig-OmahaWX Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Don't count on it. This setup screams miss to the East.EURO / CMC are SW of us which means it'll eventually trend a bit north and lay out over Omaha...im guessing... Quote 2018-2019 Snowfall Totals So Far : 59.5" For More Winter Weather Forecasts for 2017-2018 : https://www.facebook.com/snowdayweather/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 06z GFS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Wisconsin does well on the models. They look to be in the sweet spot. It’s looking like 1-2” here. Although DVN is talking 2-4” for the northern part of their CWA. They even said may need a WInter Storm Watch if it trends stronger due to not only snow but very strong winds on the backside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 OAX is rather slap-happy about this, saying up to 2" with locally higher amounts are possible. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 MPX going with 2-4” here. Looks like a decent call. W WI and E MN look to be in a good spot up this way. Only about .15” of qpf but that’ll be more than enough to get some nice totals. This is about as spread the wealth as we’ve seen in a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 MPX going with 2-4” here. Looks like a decent call. W WI and E MN look to be in a good spot up this way. Only about .15” of qpf but that’ll be more than enough to get some nice totals. This is about as spread the wealth as we’ve seen in a while.Same here...local mets going with an average of 2-4"...might score some extra snow "if" the lake band swings through on Tuesday.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Latest RAP model is fairly aggressive for Central Nebraska. That would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and use this thread for our entire clipper train we're getting. 2 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Prob a bit aggressive but here's the Canadian... http://maps3.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/gdps/2018011200/120/snku_acc.us_mw.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabitha Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I'm sort of wondering; when perusing the climate record of the Chicagoland area; that O'Hare & Midway have a mean annual snowfall in the range of 37"; and yet over in Lake County, Indiana; Gary has a mean of just 24". Naturally, one would think the further south and east one goes; the more LE snow one would catch off of the Lake Michigan... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Tonight's clipper crapping out before it hits us on the all of the models. Let's see how Sunday and Monday go. Hoping for enough from those to really prevent our snowpack from going away due to slightly above freezing temps Sunday. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajohn Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 LES affects the northeastern part of the state more the the northwest part. We rarely score big from LES events. I'm sort of wondering; when perusing the climate record of the Chicagoland area; that O'Hare & Midway have a mean annual snowfall in the range of 37"; and yet over in Lake County, Indiana; Gary has a mean of just 24". Naturally, one would think the further south and east one goes; the more LE snow one would catch off of the Lake Michigan... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabitha Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I'm sort of wondering; when perusing the climate record of the Chicagoland area; that O'Hare & Midway have a mean annual snowfall in the range of 37"; and yet over in Lake County, Indiana; Gary has a mean of just 24". Naturally, one would think the further south and east one goes; the more LE snow one would catch off of the Lake Michigan... Now just 57 miles east of Gary, South Bend has a mean of about 71 inches; so that would sort of imply that the lake effect bands tend to set up just to the east...I suppose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihLS-jA_Dg#t=02m05s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Between Sunday's and Mondays clippers, Euro actually gives me a solid 4-5". That would definitely be welcome with the cold coming in. Also, maybe a decent snowfall Sunday morning will prevent temps from going above freezing. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 LES affects the northeastern part of the state more the the northwest part. We rarely score big from LES events. I am not sure where the readings are taken in the Gary, Indiana area but Gary is on the south end of Lake Michigan so for them to get a good lake effect set up there would have to be an almost due north wind and that is the least likely wind direction. However, that said when that set up occurs then they would do very well on most set ups. One limiting factor is that area is flat and without some hills there is less of a lift. Note South Bend that is east of Gary has a seasonal average of 65” Over here in Michigan some areas if the far eastern side of the state near Detroit also only average around 30” a season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Between Sunday's and Mondays clippers, Euro actually gives me a solid 4-5". That would definitely be welcome with the cold coming in. Also, maybe a decent snowfall Sunday morning will prevent temps from going above freezing.Yeah a nice fresh snowpack might do the trick. Temps here last night were only supposed to get down to -5F. I’m still at -13F right now, likely due to the ‘unexpected’ few inches we got yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 12z NAM...it did show a convective look to its run today which could be a trend as we get closer to the event... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Yeah a nice fresh snowpack might do the trick. Temps here last night were only supposed to get down to -5F. I’m still at -13F right now, likely due to the ‘unexpected’ few inches we got yesterday.When the cold comes, it has delivered this season...wouldn't ya say so?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabitha Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Now just 57 miles east of Gary, South Bend has a mean of about 71 inches; so that would sort of imply that the lake effect bands tend to set up just to the east...I suppose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XihLS-jA_Dg#t=02m05s I guess what one would take from all of this is that the climate is practically the all determining factor; and good patterns versus bad patterns are sort of secondary. If a town is historically snowy, it will manage to snow there regardless of the pattern. Likewise; if an area is historically not-snowy, it will manage to shoot itself in the foot with the most alarming regularity; even when the pattern seems eminently favorable... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Dubzz Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Oh yay, another 2” snowstorm. Can’t get enough of those this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBadgersW Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Oh yay, another 2” snowstorm. Can’t get enough of those this year.Hey, that would increase our snow totals by 40%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Oh yay, another 2” snowstorm. Can’t get enough of those this year.I'll take those off your hands. 2 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tabitha Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Oh my, it is starting to snow here (lightly, if one looks hard enough)...with a temperature of 0 F. Most of the snowflakes here are less than one trillionth of an inch wide; and thus one has to look *quite* hard to view them. It would be nice to see a normal looking snowflake for once; but I suppose one has to pay extra for that. I hope this one produces a "happy ending". Most haven't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 gfs http://maps1.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/gfs/2018011212/078/snku_acc.us_mw.png 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 gfs Can GFS have every clipper avoid us more? Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 When the cold comes, it has delivered this season...wouldn't ya say so?? The cold has delivered for sure. I’m actually a little surprised, given the lack of deep snowpack in the Midwest. Kinda makes you wonder how cold it would have gotten if we had ‘normal’ snowfall thus far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 12Z GFS wants to give Central Nebraska more love again. Seems to be a decent year for clippers in this part of the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 The cold has delivered for sure. I’m actually a little surprised, given the lack of deep snowpack in the Midwest. Kinda makes you wonder how cold it would have gotten if we had ‘normal’ snowfall thus far.As we know "Cold" does not equal especially in our locations. This is the reason why I get perplexed when we get excited when we see a long range cold pattern. It is not conducive to large storms. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 As we know "Cold" does not equal especially in our locations. This is the reason why I get perplexed when we get excited when we see a long range cold pattern. It is not conducive to large storms.For sure. If given the choice I’ll take warmer temps if it means a more active pattern. The second half of January might just provide that. I’ll sweat out thermals if it means a big dog is lurking nearby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajohn Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 I am not sure where the readings are taken in the Gary, Indiana area but Gary is on the south end of Lake Michigan so for them to get a good lake effect set up there would have to be an almost due north wind and that is the least likely wind direction. However, that said when that set up occurs then they would do very well on most set ups. One limiting factor is that area is flat and without some hills there is less of a lift. Note South Bend that is east of Gary has a seasonal average of 65” Over here in Michigan some areas if the far eastern side of the state near Detroit also only average around 30” a season.yes we usually score a big LES event after a big storm. LES plumes are usually only a few miles wide unless you are due east of the lake in areas like St Joes New Buffalo and places north of there. And of course Buffalo NY and those areas. If I remember correctly Buffalo a few years back where it had a week long LES setup where it dumped 8 feet of snow in 7 days.... now that's crazy!!! I have driven through sunny skies and all of a sudden zero visibility to sunny skies in a matter of minutes... LES is actually fascinating!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 Canadian QPF totals http://maps3.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/gdps/2018011212/090/qpf_048h.us_mw.png This includes other storms. http://maps3.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/gdps/2018011212/090/snku_acc.us_mw.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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