Phil Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Phil do you buy a warmer to hot compared to normal summer some are projecting?No. I could see a scenario where August and September try run warmer, but then again, I've underestimated the UV200 jet all year to this point. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf450ish Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Spring is always the quietest time of year on this forum. And count me among those who think this spring has been boring as hell, aside from the windstorm a couple Fridays ago. At the risk of sounding like Tim, it's been basically nothing but constant gloomy SW flow with little to no temperature variation. 2008 was an enjoyable and interesting spring, this one is not.I will have to agree. The most exciting thing about this spring has been watching the massive piles of snow melt and waiting for the ground to stiffen up. It was soggy for weeks after the snow started melting. There is STILL water seeping from the ground in the form of runoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I'd like to see lake Missoula busting lose and carving out the scab lands. I have thought the same thing... that would be incredible to witness. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think if there are any warm months in store this summer, they will be August and/or September. I'm having a hard time finding reasons for a flip to warm anytime soon, and I've been looking very intently for it. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think if there are any warm months in store this summer, they will be August and/or September. I'm having a hard time finding reasons for a flip to warm anytime soon, and I've been looking very intently for it. Who gives a crap about warm or cold... when will the pattern change so its not raining every single day? Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 What the hell is this? January?? http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2017042100/gfs_z500aNorm_namer_50.png Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Who gives a crap about warm or cold... when will the pattern change so its not raining every single day?The upper level jet will retract if/when convection initiates between the dateline and 150W, at the expense of the Indonesian convection centered around 120E and the EPAC convection as well. In other words, the West Pacific/Niño-4 SSTAs needs to warm substantially, along with the *western* Indian Ocean, while the East Pacific and Indonesian SSTAs need to cool. This is a circulation state we haven't seen in decades. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 The upper level jet will retract if/when convection initiates between the dateline and 150W, at the expense of the Indonesian domain centered around 120E. In other words, the West Pacific/Niño-4 SSTAs needs to warm substantially, along with the western Indian Ocean, while the East Pacific and Indonesian SSTs need to cool. OK... an unlikely series of long-term events need to happen to stop the daily rain. But yet it happens every year. Even in 1993. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 OK... an unlikely series of long-term events need to happen to stop the daily rain. But yet it happens every year. Even in 1993.I didn't say anything about daily rain. Just the strong upper level Pacific jet. Conditions at the surface/lower troposphere will moderate by late May/June, even if the upper level jet remains stronger than average. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I didn't say anything about daily rain. Just the strong upper level Pacific jet. Conditions at the surface/lower troposphere will moderate by late May/June, even if the upper level jet remains stronger than average. Gotcha. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 What the hell is this? January?? http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2017042100/gfs_z500aNorm_namer_50.pngIt's something different, that's for sure. I can't remember the last time we saw the Hadley Cells in a contracted state for more than two weeks at a time. Has made a huge difference for California already. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenochtitlan Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 It's something different, that's for sure. I can't remember the last time we saw the Hadley Cells in a contracted state for more than two weeks at a time. Has made a huge difference for California already.What do you mean by contracted state? Do you mean that they're farther south than they usually are this time of year? (Sorry I don't know much about large-scale atmospheric circulation and wanna learn more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 What do you mean by contracted state? Do you mean that they're farther south than they usually are this time of year? (Sorry I don't know much about large-scale atmospheric circulation and wanna learn more)Overall they've contracted equatorward and intensified to some extent, relative to the post-1998 average in that regard. This could be viewed as a more El Niño-ish background state that's developed in recent years, as far as the tropics are concerned. Generally speaking, we've observed an increased heating of the equatorial oceans relative to the polar oceans over the last decade, and this has accelerated over the last five years or so. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Sunday afternoon... Monday morning... Monday afternoon... Tuesday morning... Tuesday afternoon... Wednesday morning... Highs in the 40s on Monday and Tuesday as well for many areas. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 What are the odds of a more *thundery* spring then usual? Are we in right pattern? as a couple of times the NWS has or had hinted at possible thunder from cold core instability but it failed to materialized other then heavy showers and one time a bit of hail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Rare sunny April morning here... Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuffradio Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Yesterday it reached 120 in my greenhouse. I had to open it up a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just crazy. January was nice! I've had more rain than that since New Years. Twice as much in January, but more every month. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Down to 31 this morning. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuffradio Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I've had more rain than that since New Years. Twice as much in January, but more every month.Me too. I had somewhere between 16-18" of rain in March, for example, and I'm at between 7-8" of rain this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Seems like 70 at PDX is going to be a stretch today. My money is on 68. Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I've had more rain than that since New Years. Twice as much in January, but more every month.I don't care about totals nearly as much as the number of dry days. Its been insane in that regard. This is also not at my house... its a local weather station. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I don't care about totals nearly as much as the number of dry days. Its been insane in that regard. This is also not at my house... its a local weather station. Go out and enjoy that sunshine today! Could be 36º and rainy like it is here today. Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epiceast Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Rare sunny April morning here... You might string two decent ones in a row! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Go out and enjoy that sunshine today! Could be 36º and rainy like it is here today.At the office. Timing is everything and this sucks! Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 At the office. Timing is everything and this sucks!Aren't you basically like self employed? Just leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Aren't you basically like self employed? Just leave. Not self employed... trying to leave. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just arrived at PDX. Spectacular views of the mountains flying in. I've always said, the solitary volcanic peaks here are easily more beautiful than most of the Rockies. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenochtitlan Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just arrived at PDX. Spectacular views of the mountains flying in. I've always said, the solitary volcanic peaks here are easily more beautiful than most of the Rockies.Yeah, volcanoes are special. What's your favorite? I think mine is Mt. Baker. I do think it's cool how some cities in the Mountain West are so close to tall mountains, like Salt Lake City, whereas Seattle is sort of far from the Cascades in comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroYoBro Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Not self employed... trying to leave.If you don't mind me asking, what do you do? I have never really seen you talk about work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 If you don't mind me asking, what do you do? I have never really seen you talk about work. Software consulting. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuffradio Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Software consulting.It seems to be what the majority of us do here, sort of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 It seems to be what the majority of us do here, sort of One form or another. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 It seems to be what the majority of us do here, sort ofAlways had you pegged as more of a vegetable consultant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Just wanted to mention that I really enjoyed some of the climate posts last night. Definitely some fascinating reading. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 The 12z Euro shows a ridiculously strong and persistent jet stream for this time of year, aimed right at us most of the time. I imagine the temporarily contracted Hadley Cells are playing a role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 The 12z Euro shows a ridiculously strong and persistent jet stream for this time of year, aimed right at us most of the time. I imagine the temporarily contracted Hadley Cells are playing a role?What happened to quiet NW flow? Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 59 at PDX. 70 may be a stretch Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 East winds surfacing in Clark Co. will PDX benefit and see a temp jump?! Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuffradio Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Always had you pegged as more of a vegetable consultant.That's my night job. By day I'm a web developer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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