Omegaraptor Posted June 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Western Washington’s storm season lasts from September 1 to June 15. Temperatures never go above 60, the average high is 46 for this entire period, it rains an average of 28 days per month, and the sun shines for an average of 15 hours a month. Only between June 16 and August 31 is nice weather possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 There is no doubt your area has been warmer and drier than average the wide majority of warm seasons starting in 2013. There’s a reason your property is dotted with dead trees. The north south difference get played up here by people trying to push the same tired narrative, but looking at the big picture the last several summers have been remarkably warm and dry on the whole for the entire region. There was rain on 40 days last year from July - Sept last year in my area... way above climo. We never had to water and that was the first time ever. It was not a stressful summer for the trees in this area. 2015, 2017, and 2018 were definitely years with tree stress. But 2016 was also a frequently wet summer in that period. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 If you’re only happy when giant, anomalous ridges park overhead all summer long, then you’re living in the wrong climate and should consider moving. Period. Because you’ll never be satisfied if that’s what you want.Why don’t you live here again?? Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Why don’t you live here again??You guys should switch places! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Western Washington’s storm season lasts from September 1 to June 15. Temperatures never go above 60, the average high is 46 for this entire period, it rains an average of 28 days per month, and the sun shines for an average of 15 hours a month. Only between June 16 and August 31 is nice weather possible. I bet you would have a very different perspective if you lived up here... and I would have a very different perspective if I lived down there. Not sure why that is hard to understand. Its pretty simple. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 The VAST climatological differences between western Oregon and Western Washington just cannot be overstated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Anyway, today was a gorgeous day. 74/59 here with lots of afternoon sun. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 The VAST climatological differences between western Oregon and Western Washington just cannot be overstated. There is a pretty big difference when you go north and east of Seattle. I think the Portland area has one of the best summer climates in the country... and I am talking about climo and not anomalous heat and drought. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Wonder how long it will take Dewey to see his bat signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeWx Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 87 isn’t too bad for a warm mid-June day. We can be well into the 90s or even close to 100 at this point in the year.I prefer low to mid 70s in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV_snow Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 I bet you would have a very different perspective if you lived up here... and I would have a very different perspective if I lived down there. Not sure why that is hard to understand. Its pretty simple. Exactly. The precip and sunshine gradient during warm season between western WA and OR has been much more significant than usual the past few years. This is why OR posters generally root for troughing while WA posters generally root for ridging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 I prefer low to mid 70s in June.Same here. But my point was we can do a whole lot worse than 87 at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Wonder how long it will take Dewey to see his bat signal. Not rocket science here. We have been over this a million times. This is the problem with picking apart preferences... people don't change their minds. We all know climo. But the climo in a particular area can make you want things more. Just like people who don't normally have snow seem to be obsessed with getting snow. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Exactly. The precip and sunshine gradient during warm season between western WA and OR has been much more significant than usual the past few years. This is why OR posters generally root for troughing while WA posters generally root for ridging. Any proof backing up the “more significant than usual” claim? Sounds a little shaky/subjective. By far, the most notable aspect of the last several warm seasons has been the unusual REGIONAL warmth and dryness. That goes for the whole area covered by this sub forum, whether you’re talking north and east of Seattle or south and west of Portland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 You guys should switch places!Good god not that humid sticky hell. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GeorgeWx Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 This weekend has been perfect. Had some rain, clouds and sun and perfect summer temperatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 The VAST climatological differences between western Oregon and Western Washington just cannot be overstated. It's jarring. PDX (far south climate zone) averages 6.83" of precip from May 1 to September 30. SEA (in the far northern Cordilleran Ice Sheet afflicted climate zone) averages 6.79" of precip from May 1 to September 30. Southerners could never understand. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 This is now the 5th wettest June on record at PDX at 3.49", moving ahead of 1981 (a hottttt summer). Could move into 4th ahead of 1954 (a very coldddddd summer) if we get another tenth of an inch with the trough this weekend. Totals to the north and south on the I5 corridor aren't particularly noteworthy. Seattle could even end the month with below average precip. That would be hilarious. If SEA is warm/dry for June, Fred should start dishing out weenie tags for any and all heat miser complainers. You’d think Seattle had teleported into the bottom of Niagara Falls based on some of the commentary in here. 2 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Why don’t you live here again??I’m moving the second I graduate. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeWx Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 That would be hilarious. If SEA is warm/dry for June, Fred should start dishing out weenie tags for any and all heat miser complainers. You’d think Seattle had teleported into the bottom of Niagara Falls based on some of the commentary in here.Seattle is in no drought while Portland is in severe drought though. The June rain here hasn’t really helped much like I thought it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 00Z GFS is nice overall... quicker with the weekend ULL and nice next week again. But just like with an arctic blast... watching the models in the mid and long range comes down to what is happening in Alaska. Any ULL over Alaska in this pattern ends up expanding and making a beeline for the PNW. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 That would be hilarious. If SEA is warm/dry for June, Fred should start dishing out weenie tags for any and all heat miser complainers. You’d think Seattle had teleported into the bottom of Niagara Falls based on some of the commentary in here. Stats don't tell the whole story. We could have a wetter than normal month that was dry on most days... and a drier than normal month that was wet on most days. We could have a gloomy month that ends up warmer than normal due to warm overnight lows. Devil is in the details. The number of days with rain is by far the most meaningful stat to me in rating a month. We are at 15 out of 21 days here so far this month. Normal for June is 12 days with measureable precip. We had 12 days in a row with rain... that is the source of the complaints from some. Not that it matters. Just giving you some background. Its also common for June rain to come in extended streaks around here. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Why are we talking about this again? Statistically this will be a pretty normal June in the Seattle area... actually probably a little warmer and drier than normal by time its over. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Just talking weather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Just talking weather. We should talk weather... and not endlessly about other people's preferences and perceptions. At least the weather changes. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 I’m moving the second I graduate. Believe when I see it. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Seattle is in no drought while Portland is in severe drought though. The June rain here hasn’t really helped much like I thought it would. Based on what? I assume soil moisture is much better for being almost 25% of the way through summer right now. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeWx Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Based on what? I assume soil moisture is much better for being almost 25% of the way through summer right now.Moderate drought now, I didn’t look at the most recent one but most of Willamette Valley still in severe drought. The drought will just worsen again though since it doesn’t rain much at all in July and August. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Moderate drought now, I didn’t look at the most recent one but most of Willamette Valley still in severe drought. The drought will just worsen again though since it doesn’t rain much at all in July and August. I think this is just based on the last 3 months... so it probably does not represent the current situation too well given how much rain has fallen recently. And it normally does not rain much in July and August and if this map is based on a running 3-month average then it will not change too much. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Moderate drought now, I didn’t look at the most recent one but most of Willamette Valley still in severe drought. The drought will just worsen again though since it doesn’t rain much at all in July and August.That map doesn’t look good but I think the June rain did help. Just speaking anecdotally, the plants around here look greener and healthier moving into the latter half of June than have I have seen in at least a couple years. Mostly dry in July and August won’t necessarily make the map worse since it’s normally mostly dry in those months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeWx Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 I think this is just based on the last 3 months... so it probably does not represent the current situation too well given how much rain has fallen recently. And it normally does not rain much in July and August and if this map is based on a running 3-month average then it will not change too much.That map doesn’t look good but I think the June rain did help. Just speaking anecdotally, the plants around here look greener and healthier moving into the latter half of June than have I have seen in at least a couple years. Mostly dry in July and August won’t necessarily make the map worse since it’s normally mostly dry in those months.Good points about it not raining much in those months already but in the seasonal drought outlook they mention above normal temperatures expanding the drought. https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/sdo_summary.phpDrought is likely to persist and expand across the West and northern to central High Plains through the summer. A major factor in the drought expansion is the likelihood of above normal temperatures during the outlook period. So even more reason to root for seasonal weather the rest of summer, say no to any heatwaves hehheh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Already down to a chilly 49 degrees. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Already down to a chilly 49 degrees. 00Z ECMWF shows a drizzle fest from Seattle northward on Wednesday... you have that to look forward to. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Good points about it not raining much in those months already but in the seasonal drought outlook they mention above normal temperatures expanding the drought. https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/expert_assessment/sdo_summary.phpDrought is likely to persist and expand across the West and northern to central High Plains through the summer. A major factor in the drought expansion is the likelihood of above normal temperatures during the outlook period. So even more reason to root for seasonal weather the rest of summer, say no to any heatwaves hehhehWeirdly I’m starting to think you might be an alt account for snowsquall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroYoBro Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Anyone wondering what is stuck up Tim’s a** all the time? I’m going with pineapple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 00Z ECMWF shows a drizzle fest from Seattle northward on Wednesday... you have that to look forward to. Yay! Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Anyone wondering what is stuck up Tim’s a** all the time? I’m going with pineapple. That would definitely make someone really cranky! Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Yay! I thought you might like some good news. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Trough is coming down from the north by late Friday on the 00Z ECMWF... but it appears to still be mostly dry on Saturday. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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