Veteran's Day System

[Minny_Weather]

Coming down pretty hard, though wind is making it look heavier than it actually is. I'd say I'm at about an inch right now. Looks like there's some heavy returns in Indiana coming this way, but I'm afraid of those missing me to the South. 28.6*F.

[East Dubzz]

Dubuque with an official storm total of 4.40”, which matches up pretty well with what I had earlier.

 

That’s nearly 14” so far. Too bad it doesn’t stay around for long.

[Andie]

34*. Wind gusting 25+

 

Ice on the radar about 15-20 miles west.

Earliest ice I recall was a Thanksgiving around 1995. If I recall correctly.

[jaster220]

Go about 20 miles north and west and it wasn't.  The models did a good job showing the band set up right across the metro area.  I'm downtown at work, but judging by watching radar all day I'm guessing my neighborhood did about 5" as well.  

 

was just having fun with it, no worries 

[Niko]

I just saw my futurecast and it has it snowing past midnight. Also I can easily see those bands from Port Huron coming straight down mby past 1100pm. Interesting!

[Andie]

So,- Do you guys think this global warming thing has been postponed?

 

I’m very curious how this will be spun.

One thing certain, it’s way too cold too early for Texas.

This is January styled weather for us.

[Minny_Weather]

So,- Do you guys think this global warming thing has been postponed?

 

I’m very curious how this will be spun.

One thing certain, it’s way too cold too early for Texas.

This is January styled weather for us.

"Weather isn't climate" does apply here, but I'm sure it will be spun one way or another.

[Stacsh]

was just having fun with it, no worries 

I know, just crazy how the cutoff was for this band. 

[Stacsh]

So,- Do you guys think this global warming thing has been postponed?

 

I’m very curious how this will be spun.

One thing certain, it’s way too cold too early for Texas.

This is January styled weather for us.

Why can't we just talk about the current weather in a current weather thread?

[OmahaSnowFan]

So,- Do you guys think this global warming thing has been postponed?

 

I’m very curious how this will be spun.

One thing certain, it’s way too cold too early for Texas.

This is January styled weather for us.

 

GLOBAL. 

Not what's the weather doing in the eastern US and in Texas. If you're worried about how it's going to be "spun" while thinking bc it's cold too early in your backyard means it's not happening, than I'm guessing you don't understand the difference between weather and climate. 

 

Here's a link to a story about what happened on the planet in October.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/earth-just-experienced-its-hottest-october-ever/

[Andie]

My heavens everyone’s so bristly.

I forgot there’s so little humor here. My bad.

[Minny_Weather]

Oh it will, I'm just worried this dry air right now will cut into total accumulations, as it means less time with snow falling. 

This worry I had earlier in the day is coming to fruition. The storm moved so slowly that West-Central and SW Ohio is gonna get crushed, meaning I'll finish with 2" while everyone North and South of me will finish with significantly more than that. Heavier returns to my West are dying. Frustrating. 

[james1976]

Nice heavy snowshower just moved in! Radar isnt even showing anything!

[Niko]

The heaviest of the snow is done w. Still very light snow attm: could near a foot b4 all set and done w.

 

Here is my measurement so far....10.5"

 

[snowstorm83]

Ended up being another underperformer in Lincoln. 1/4-1/2". Hopefully this isn't a preview of how storms this winter will go,

[Minny_Weather]

After a few measurements I'm calling it 3" in Holland so far. Still have 3-4 hours of light snow to go so 4" is attainable. Still a bit disappointed considering I'm the low spot but 4" is appreciable for November. 27.5*F.

[jaster220]

Wow, quite the workout this heavy and dense first snowfall was to shovel. Looks like by measurement I will end up at or right around 7" (will confirm with official reports) that the Hi-res guidance had settled on with last eve's 0z runs. At first I was quite concerned that the small-ish flake size would kill totals but the models somehow took that into account I guess. (kudos on that) Roads were horrible with the melting from underneath so typical of early wet snows. Chalk up snow day #1 for my daughter, and possibly #2 as her college is in Jackson, one of the harder hit areas. 

 

A footnote. While the WWA headline was the correct call for most of the CWA, I will say that growing up in SMI, this size of event always got a WSWatch and usually followed by a Warning. Certainly feel that should've been the case for at least a few counties down this way, especially with the extreme early timing and first snow fall of a season.

 

 

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Grand Rapids MI
651 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019

MIZ052-058-059-065>067-072>074-120100-
/O.EXP.KGRR.WW.Y.0025.000000T0000Z-191112T0000Z/
Gratiot-Ionia-Clinton-Barry-Eaton-Ingham-Kalamazoo-Calhoun-
Jackson-
Including the cities of Alma, Ionia, St. Johns, Hastings,
Charlotte, Lansing, Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, and Jackson
651 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY WILL EXPIRE AT 7 PM EST THIS EVENING...

The light snow will continue to wind down through the evening.
Any additional accumulation is expected to remain under a half
inch. Storm total snowfall through much of the region was 4 to 8
inches with locally more around Jackson. Motorists should still
anticipate some slippery driving conditions through tonight into
the morning commute even though no significant additional

accumulations are forecasted. 

[snowstorm83]

Ended up being another underperformer in Lincoln. 1/4-1/2". Hopefully this isn't a preview of how storms this winter will go,

  

Just saw Lincoln airport reported 2". No idea how because I live a mile from the airport and it was 1/2" max. 

[Minny_Weather]

Just saw Lincoln airport reported 2". No idea how because I live a mile from the airport and it was 1/2" max. 

Was there wind? KLNK is always incompetent w/ measuring when there's wind involved. I'll never forget the 5" event last year where they recorded 1.1" or some stupid number like that and OAX argued with the people on Twitter who dared question it.

[snowstorm83]

Was there wind? KLNK is always incompetent w/ measuring when there's wind involved. I'll never forget the 5" event last year where they recorded 1.1" or some stupid number like that and OAX argued with the people on Twitter who dared question it.

 

Yeah it was very windy last night. It seems like the people there don't know how to measure. Usually it's too low, but occasionally also too high like today. 

[jaster220]

I love this dramatic death band wording 

 

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...An intense lake effect snow band was just

offshore of Ludington at 4 PM Monday but will come onshore
soon. Expect whiteout conditions at times.

 

Tom, did you get any lake bands around your place as was expected?

[jaster220]

Makin Motown history tonight!  The airport easily blew past the old daily record of 4.1" (1984), and has cruised into 2nd place all-time for November with this report:

 

0700 PM SNOW 2 ENE ROMULUS 42.23N 83.33W
11/11/2019 M7.6 INCH WAYNE MI OFFICIAL NWS OBS

15 HOUR SNOWFALL TOTAL MEASURED AT DETROIT METRO AIRPORT.

 

The northern burbs (Niko, et al) have done even better as is typically the case, but wow this is a crazy way to kick-start winter in SEMI. 

 

9.0" is the #1 November snowfall at any official site for Detroit going back to 1885, for historical context of this event. #livinhistory 

 

[Tom]

I love this dramatic death band wording 

 

 

Tom, did you get any lake bands around your place as was expected?

No, not really...it was primarily into S Cook county...didn't really get that easterly flow off the lake as winds were almost due N. Still early in the season so I'm expecting to get a few more chances as we get deeper into Winter.

[Niko]

Wow, quite the workout this heavy and dense first snowfall was to shovel. Looks like by measurement I will end up at or right around 7" (will confirm with official reports) that the Hi-res guidance had settled on with last eve's 0z runs. At first I was quite concerned that the small-ish flake size would kill totals but the models somehow took that into account I guess. (kudos on that) Roads were horrible with the melting from underneath so typical of early wet snows. Chalk up snow day #1 for my daughter, and possibly #2 as her college is in Jackson, one of the harder hit areas. 

 

A footnote. While the WWA headline was the correct call for most of the CWA, I will say that growing up in SMI, this size of event always got a WSWatch and usually followed by a Warning. Certainly feel that should've been the case for at least a few counties down this way, especially with the extreme early timing and first snow fall of a season.

 

 

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

National Weather Service Grand Rapids MI

651 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019

 

MIZ052-058-059-065>067-072>074-120100-

/O.EXP.KGRR.WW.Y.0025.000000T0000Z-191112T0000Z/

Gratiot-Ionia-Clinton-Barry-Eaton-Ingham-Kalamazoo-Calhoun-

Jackson-

Including the cities of Alma, Ionia, St. Johns, Hastings,

Charlotte, Lansing, Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, and Jackson

651 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019

 

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY WILL EXPIRE AT 7 PM EST THIS EVENING...

 

The light snow will continue to wind down through the evening.

Any additional accumulation is expected to remain under a half

inch. Storm total snowfall through much of the region was 4 to 8

inches with locally more around Jackson. Motorists should still

anticipate some slippery driving conditions through tonight into

the morning commute even though no significant additional

accumulations are forecasted. 

Not sure why my area was in a WWA, when it is still snowing and I am near 11.1" as of now. Should be in a WSW.....

 

Case in point:

 

Special Weather Statement

Special Weather StatementNational Weather Service Detroit/Pontiac MI633 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019MIZ062-070-120300-Lapeer-Macomb-Including the cities of Lapeer and Warren633 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019...Winter Weather Advisory in Effect...Widespread light snowfall will continue this evening beforegradually diminishing in coverage through 9 pm. Bursts of heaviersnow will be possible through this time, as bands of lake effectsnow move inland. Additional accumulations ranging from one halfinch to locally up to 2 inches can be expected through theevening. Motorists are urged to use caution and account for thehazardous driving conditions by slowing down and allowing extratravel time tonight.

[Niko]

Makin Motown history tonight!  The airport easily blew past the old daily record of 4.1" (1984), and has cruised into 2nd place all-time for November with this report:

 

0700 PM SNOW 2 ENE ROMULUS 42.23N 83.33W

11/11/2019 M7.6 INCH WAYNE MI OFFICIAL NWS OBS

 

15 HOUR SNOWFALL TOTAL MEASURED AT DETROIT METRO AIRPORT.

 

The northern burbs (Niko, et al) have done even better as is typically the case, but wow this is a crazy way to kick-start winter in SEMI. 

 

9.0" is the #1 November snowfall at any official site for Detroit going back to 1885, for historical context of this event. #livinhistory 

It felt so good walking in the snow (knee deep)....big piles out there as well. 

[Niko]

Attm, statistics w this snowstorm in my region are still reporting some light snow w temps at 26F. I cleaned earlier this evening and now its all whiten up again. Not going to clean for the 2nd time tanite. Too cozy inside!

 

Very curious to see if later on tanite I get those Port Huron snow bands. If I do, then, that will add to my totals and surpass 1 foot.

[Meichel]

So I'm up in Traverse City waiting patiently for the lake effect snow that was supposed to start 5 hours ago. Actually changed my work plans according to the (ever changing) forecast in this area, but in reality could have easily finished up and been in Ludington tonight. So I'll have to drive through it tomorrow instead.

[Minny_Weather]

Back end passing through so I just took my final measurement. 3.3". Meh. It's November. I do wish everything that could have possibly gone against me didn't go against me. At least this will give me something to look at while we shatter our 108 year old record low tomorrow night.

[Meichel]

000

FXUS63 KAPX 120117

AFDAPX

 

Area Forecast Discussion

National Weather Service Gaylord MI

817 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019

 

.UPDATE...

Issued at 816 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019

 

The poor, poor Leelanau-Benzie coastline continues to be hit hard

by the dominant lake effect snow band. Total accums must be

pushing 2 feet in parts of western Leelanau Co. We keep waiting

for this band to shift eastward; that shift is already well

underway with the upstream end of the band over Superior. The

models continue to slow the eastward shift over nw lower MI, but

it has to happen (right?), especially as increasing land breezes

likely spin up some sort of mesolow near Beaver Isl. Grids have

been adjusted for more snow early tonight where the band is

presently found, and don`t bring better snow showers into the Gd

Trav Bay region until closer to 1-2 am.

 

Seriously? LOL

[Minny_Weather]

I may not completely be done. A moderate blob stretching from Saginaw to Ann Arbor and from Lansing to Port Huron is sagging down and may bring me another hour or so worth of flakes. I may get 4" after all!

[jaster220]

000

FXUS63 KAPX 120117

AFDAPX

 

Area Forecast Discussion

National Weather Service Gaylord MI

817 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019

 

.UPDATE...

Issued at 816 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019

 

The poor, poor Leelanau-Benzie coastline continues to be hit hard

by the dominant lake effect snow band. Total accums must be

pushing 2 feet in parts of western Leelanau Co. We keep waiting

for this band to shift eastward; that shift is already well

underway with the upstream end of the band over Superior. The

models continue to slow the eastward shift over nw lower MI, but

it has to happen (right?), especially as increasing land breezes

likely spin up some sort of mesolow near Beaver Isl. Grids have

been adjusted for more snow early tonight where the band is

presently found, and don`t bring better snow showers into the Gd

Trav Bay region until closer to 1-2 am.

 

Seriously? LOL

 

LOL, hop in your ride, drive west on M-72 to M-22 (only about 20-25 miles) and get to that death band that's stuck out there. One season all the good LES were hugging the coast and I did exactly that. It was fantastic, especially at night. Like driving in a real life snow globe. 

[jaster220]

Way back in the day when I was a youngin and we walked to school up hill both ways, we NEVER had massive snowstorms so early in SMI. However, this will go down as my 2nd largest Vet's Day storm because of my time in NMI where my place was hit with the 11-11-95 blizzard that dropped about 1/2" of mix followed by 10" of snow. Had you told me back then that far SMI would have anything close to that storm at this early date, I would've called you nuts, yet here we are 

[Niko]

 

Was on the high end of that 6-12 inch category. Not too shabby for this time of the year.

[Clinton]

 

Was on the high end of that 6-12 inch category. Not too shabby for this time of the year.

Nice, much more coming your way soon!

[Niko]

Nice, much more coming your way soon!

Pretty much done w this storm. Now, if I get any more accumulations, it will be from LES from Port Huron. In the order maybe from 1-2inches on top of what I currently have. If I do, then, I will exceed a foot. If not, then, I stay at 11.1" Either way, no complaints from me tanite. Im a happy camper amigo. Remember, its only early November. I consider this to be a major bonus. Also, I dont think I have ever saw this much snow in November, especially this early in the season.

[Tom]

Pretty much done w this storm. Now, if I get any more accumulations, it will be from LES from Port Huron. In the order maybe from 1-2inches on top of what I currently have. If I do, then, I will exceed a foot. If not, then, I stay at 11.1" Either way, no complaints from me tanite. Im a happy camper amigo. Remember, its only early November. I consider this to be a major bonus. Also, I dont think I have ever saw this much snow in November, especially this early in the season.

Congrats for being the 1st one with double digit totals this season. Must look like a snow globe out there. Take some pics tomorrow.

[Niko]

Congrats for being the 1st one with double digit totals this season. Must look like a snow globe out there. Take some pics tomorrow.

Thanks amigo. Sure does look awesome. I'll post some pics.

[Niko]

Back to moderate snow again. LES is kicking in. Might have to take new measurements tomorrow. Could surpass a foot now.

 

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENational Weather Service Detroit/Pontiac MI1104 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019MIZ062-070-120900-/O.EXT.KDTX.WW.Y.0016.000000T0000Z-191112T0900Z/Lapeer-Macomb-Including the cities of Lapeer and Warren1104 PM EST Mon Nov 11 2019...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 4 AM EST TUESDAY...* WHAT...Periodic bursts of heavier lake effect snow will lift  across the area overnight. This will bring the potential for  additional accumulation from 1 to 3 inches.* WHERE...Lapeer and Macomb Counties.* WHEN...Until 4 AM EST Tuesday.* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous  conditions could impact the morning or evening commute.

[Minny_Weather]

I may get a bit more from Lake Huron LES. Lake Erie LES looks to stay out towards Port Clinton/Fremont and points East.

[Grizzcoat]

GLOBAL. 

Not what's the weather doing in the eastern US and in Texas. If you're worried about how it's going to be "spun" while thinking bc it's cold too early in your backyard means it's not happening, than I'm guessing you don't understand the difference between weather and climate. 

 

Here's a link to a story about what happened on the planet in October.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/earth-just-experienced-its-hottest-october-ever/

 

 

 

The problem with saying "weather isn't climate" for the AGW side (or is it Climate Change?-)  is that media during a record warm stretch states many times the warm temps are due to climo change. Same thing with fires in CA. Tropical activity also.   But when record breaking cold comes- then "weather isn't climate".   They have their cake and eat it too. Just like the  AGW naming switching to  Climate Change in the main stream media some years ago.  An honest argument against  (not saying true)-- which is what real science is about--  against either has no chance. Almost like it was designed/forged  to be that way...… Just saying. 

 

I'am a professional in the weather field. Part time winter forecaster for ski hills in N.MN. I use Climo all the time in my weather forecasting. Solid forecasters usually do. I'd like to ask how many on here make house payments from being a professional in weather ?? But yet the science is sealed on what you hear second hand. I have worked in the field for 22 years and lean the way the post would lead many to think because I have worked in the field for 22 years. I have "seen" some things over the years that would likely make any honest - unbiased - person wonder what in the hell is going on with how temps are measured and put down in the books among other things.  

 

What is an ideal climate?   Asking for a friend.