Front Ranger Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 47.5" in four days at that elevation. That's unbelievable. Marion Forks (2,400') had 95" in six days from Jan 28 - Feb 2. 2007-08 was an epic winter above roughly 1200' in OR, and 1000' in WA. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 2007-08 was an epic winter above roughly 1200' in OR, and 1000' in WA. Indeed. It was easily the snowiest winter between 2000-4000 feet in the northern Oregon cascades at least in recent history. 406" at Government Camp and 277" at Marion Forks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 47.5" in four days at that elevation. That's unbelievable. Marion Forks (2,400') had 95" in six days from Jan 28 - Feb 2. The park's weather station is at 1350', I am about 250' higher and it often does make a difference, especially during onshore flow snow events. Generally with cold onshore flow my location is 1-2F cooler. Judging by past experience in fairly similar setups it could have easily snowed 5-10" more those days here (My location gets a bit more precip too.). People I have talked to who were here then say it was the largest snow event up here in the past 20-30 years. They said snow events like January 2012 are not common, but definitely not without precedent. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 70.5" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 The park's weather station is at 1350', I am about 250' higher and it often does make a difference, especially during onshore flow snow events. Generally with cold onshore flow my location is 1-2F cooler. Judging by past experience in fairly similar setups it could have easily snowed 5-10" more those days here (My location gets a bit more precip too.). People I have talked to who were here then say it was the largest snow event up here in the past 20-30 years. They said snow events like January 2012 are not common, but definitely not without precedent. I wouldn't be surprised if your location saw 5 feet in that stretch. Too bad you weren't there to take pictures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 January 2012. As I have noted before the best snow setup for me is cold on-shore flow. January 2002, Jan 08, Dec 17-19, 08', Jan 2012, March 2012 type setups. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 70.5" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 I wouldn't be surprised if your location saw 5 feet in that stretch. Too bad you weren't there to take pictures! It would have been amazing. There is not good data from the park for snowfall during 95-96, but a few of my friends who grew up in this area point to January 1996 as having about 2-3' of snow on the ground going into that arctic outbreak. One friend who grew up around 2000' a little higher up on Grade Road, says the snow knocked the power out for about a week, which is believable given I had an extended power outage with the snow in 2012. I also remember my family bringing me up to Silver Falls in late February 1996 and there was about 12-18" of snow on the ground (Literally nothing below 1000'.). Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 70.5" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 January 2012. As I have noted before the best snow setup for me is cold on-shore flow. January 2002, Jan 08, Dec 17-19, 08', Jan 2012, March 2012 type setups. The Silverton city limits are 9 miles from my house, downtown Silverton is 10-11 miles from my place. Front Ranger will appreciate this, but in January 2012 there was no sticking snow in downtown Silverton, a dusting at the city limits heading up Silver Falls Hwy (Southside Market area), about 2" in the curves above the Reservoir, about 6" by the time you got to Seminole Road (900'), and about a 8-12" at Hadley's corner (5 miles out of town and 1200'). Then 4 miles later what you see above. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 70.5" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 The Silverton city limits are 9 miles from my house, downtown Silverton is 10-11 miles from my place. Front Ranger will appreciate this, but in January 2012 there was no sticking snow in downtown Silverton, a dusting at the city limits heading up Silver Falls Hwy (Southside Market area), about 2" in the curves above the Reservoir, about 6" by the time you got to Seminole Road (900'), and about a 8-12" at Hadley's corner (5 miles out of town and 1200'). Then 4 miles later what you see above. That's awesome. Being a teenager with my first car, I drove many miles around those hills during the mostly lackluster 1997-99 winters, and even then remember a few times where in town would have nothing, 1000' would have a few inches, and 1400' would have over a foot. But nothing like that, obviously. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 That's awesome. Being a teenager with my first car, I drove many miles around those hills during the mostly lackluster 1997-99 winters, and even then remember a few times where in town would have nothing, 1000' would have a few inches, and 1400' would have over a foot. But nothing like that, obviously. Those were some lame winters. We moved here in 89' so the first 5-6 winters were pretty decent overall...Then reality set it. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 70.5" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Those were some lame winters. We moved here in 89' so the first 5-6 winters were pretty decent overall...Then reality set it. Yep. I remember maybe 3-4 events with at least a few inches above 1000' in 1998-99. Only one accumulating snowfall in town. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff TT-SEA Posted September 7, 2016 Staff Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 The Silverton city limits are 9 miles from my house, downtown Silverton is 10-11 miles from my place. Front Ranger will appreciate this, but in January 2012 there was no sticking snow in downtown Silverton, a dusting at the city limits heading up Silver Falls Hwy (Southside Market area), about 2" in the curves above the Reservoir, about 6" by the time you got to Seminole Road (900'), and about a 8-12" at Hadley's corner (5 miles out of town and 1200'). Then 4 miles later what you see above. North Bend is 3.8 miles away from my house. And 600 feet lower. The difference can be insane. I have seen times when there is nothing but green grass in town and well over 2 feet of snow here. You probably remember the video I did driving up our hill a few years ago... transformation from nothing to huge snow banks in a matter of one minute of drive time. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 North Bend is 3.8 miles away from my house. And 600 feet lower. The difference can be insane. I have seen times when there is nothing but green grass in town and well over 2 feet of snow here. You probably remember the video I did driving up our hill a few years ago... transformation from nothing to huge snow banks in a matter of one minute of drive time. Actually I don't. Why don't you repost it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Longtimer Brennan Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Picture of the snowmen is from April 20th 2008 when we had all time record late snowfall. Hard to believe this is at 312 feet elevation... Bellingham. Second picture is November 26th 2006 around 2:30pm. Same location. Me on the right GOOD OL DAYS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Nov 2006 is an event that gets underrated on here, due to it mainly impacting northern areas. Some really impressive snowfall and temp numbers north of Seattle. 3 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer Deweydog Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Nov 2006 is an event that gets underrated on here, due to it mainly impacting northern areas. Some really impressive snowfall and temp numbers north of Seattle.It was pretty lame down here. Borderline non-existent. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 It was pretty lame down here. Borderline non-existent.Yup. And an impressive event for the Puget Sound region, especially north of Seattle. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Nov 2006 is an event that gets underrated on here, due to it mainly impacting northern areas. Some really impressive snowfall and temp numbers north of Seattle.Would be in my top 5 pretty easily. Likely a toss up with January 2005 for 3rd. Behind December 2008 and 1996. There was a 4 year stretch around there that saw some pretty impressive snow storms here. January 2005, November 2006, December 2007, December 2008 all had 20"+ events. It usually serves us well when the Arctic boundaries have a hard time clearing US customs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer Deweydog Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Just in how much it's discussed, considering how impressive an event it was. Pretty simple - and we know why. It had a sharp, north-south gradient which has been discussed at length. November has a tendency to produce events of that type. On a weather-enthusiast forum, the most talked about events are going to be those that have a more widespread impact. I think this is all that is bothering you. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer BLI snowman Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Just in how much it's discussed, considering how impressive an event it was. Pretty simple - and we know why.Do you think February 2014 is "underrated" as well? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Do you think February 2014 is "underrated" as well? Good point. As most posters on this forum are from W. Washington, or at least half, that one and December 2013 do get a bit of short thrift. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 70.5" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 7, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 In a lot of ways I view November 2006 and January 2012 in a similar vein. Both were big snow producers at my location, but beyond frustrating for those on the valley floor in NW Oregon. As a consolation I was living in Oklahoma in November 2006 and that storm produced an epic 14" blizzard in good old Bartlesville, Oklahoma on 11/30/06. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 70.5" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff TT-SEA Posted September 7, 2016 Staff Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Actually I don't. Why don't you repost it? I can't find it now. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Do you think February 2014 is "underrated" as well? Good point. As most posters on this forum are from W. Washington, or at least half, that one and December 2013 do get a bit of short thrift. I've seen both Feb 2014 and Dec 2013 referenced quite a bit more, actually. Of course, they occurred more recently as well. Dec 2013 was obviously very impressive for temps for parts or OR, and that's been discussed recently. Feb 2014 was a very nice snow event, with a fairly unusual (for that late in the season) duration of cold weather, but nothing too impressive temps-wise. Nov 2006 was not only a major snow event for northern WA/southern BC, it also featured some top-tier cold days. - high of 16 on 11/28 at Clearbrook- high of 17 on 11/28 at BLI (only colder high in November was 15 in 1985)- high of 23 at Sedro Wooley- high of 24 at Everett- high of 27 at SEA Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer BLI snowman Posted September 8, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I've seen both Feb 2014 and Dec 2013 referenced quite a bit more, actually. Of course, they occurred more recently as well. Dec 2013 was obviously very impressive for temps for parts or OR, and that's been discussed recently. Feb 2014 was a very nice snow event, with a fairly unusual (for that late in the season) duration of cold weather, but nothing too impressive temps-wise. Nov 2006 was not only a major snow event for northern WA/southern BC, it also featured some top-tier cold days. - high of 16 on 11/28 at Clearbrook- high of 17 on 11/28 at BLI (only colder high in November was 15 in 1985)- high of 23 at Sedro Wooley- high of 24 at Everett- high of 27 at SEAI think 2006 gets mentioned (by you and others) a lot whenever the conversation of early season cold waves comes up. Probably an annual discussion. Otherwise it's not going to be thrown into the elite, cool-kid cold wave group because it wasn't quite widespread enough. If you want to talk about NW Wa/B.C. events that don't feel the forum love, then December 1980 and late December 1984 would be better choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I think 2006 gets mentioned (by you and others) a lot whenever the conversation of early season cold waves comes up. Probably an annual discussion. Otherwise it's not going to be thrown into the elite, cool-kid cold wave group because it wasn't quite widespread enough. If you want to talk about NW Wa/B.C. events that don't feel the forum love, then December 1980 and late December 1984 would be better choices. QFT. Very underrated events in NW Interior and BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 I've seen both Feb 2014 and Dec 2013 referenced quite a bit more, actually. Of course, they occurred more recently as well. Dec 2013 was obviously very impressive for temps for parts or OR, and that's been discussed recently. Feb 2014 was a very nice snow event, with a fairly unusual (for that late in the season) duration of cold weather, but nothing too impressive temps-wise. Nov 2006 was not only a major snow event for northern WA/southern BC, it also featured some top-tier cold days. - high of 16 on 11/28 at Clearbrook- high of 17 on 11/28 at BLI (only colder high in November was 15 in 1985)- high of 23 at Sedro Wooley- high of 24 at Everett- high of 27 at SEA This is obviously subjective, but to me 23/19 at PDX on 2/6/14 is more impressive than any of those numbers you listed. You left off the 19/9 at Arlington in November 2006. I believe this was the only case of single digits in the western lowlands (at least among official stations) between December 1998 and December 2008. That stat is more of an indictment against the 1998-2008 stretch, but it was still a very impressive November event. Regarding December 2013 - that was a legitimate top-tier cold wave for Oregon. Neither November 2006 nor February 2014 belong in the same sentence! A peer group for December 2013 would include events like December 1972, December 1990, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 This is obviously subjective, but to me 23/19 at PDX on 2/6/14 is more impressive than any of those numbers you listed. You left off the 19/9 at Arlington in November 2006. I believe this was the only case of single digits in the western lowlands (at least among official stations) between December 1998 and December 2008. That stat is more of an indictment against the 1998-2008 stretch, but it was still a very impressive November event. Regarding December 2013 - that was a legitimate top-tier cold wave for Oregon. Neither November 2006 nor February 2014 belong in the same sentence! A peer group for December 2013 would include events like December 1972, December 1990, etc. Duh. Obviously I wasn't saying Nov 2006 or Feb 2014 compare. All these events again go to show that while January has been horrid by historical standards, November, December, and to a lesser extent February have held their own compared to most the 20th century. In fact, Nov/Dec have had more extreme cold events the past 30-40 years than the previous 40+ years. This fact sometimes gets lost in all of the January lamentations. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted September 8, 2016 Report Share Posted September 8, 2016 Dewey would argue they're not "underrated", they just just didn't affect enough people personally. My nostrils were on FIRE and I was tearing in that Dec 2013 wave!! You kidding... you'd have to be inside 24/7 like a hermit to not be effected by that. It was difficult even just taking the garbage out or scraping the windshields I was -20 in K-Falls. A whopping 10 whole days below freezing - including highs. That was Montana level arctic air. Except there they probably get it normally like it's nothing. Edit: Oh, and... that nostalgia of having to put on a dozen layers of clothing just to do anything outside, and taking all of it off after. Quote Ashland, KY Weather '21-'22 Winter Snowfall - 16.1" (biggest storm 4.8" March 12th) December: 0.1" January: 9.9" February: 1.3" March: 4.8" Snow days: 10 First freeze: Nov 3rd Other 2022 Stats Thunders: 53 (as of 12/3) Tornado Watches/Warnings: 2 / 0 Severe T'storm Watches/Warnings: 4 / 4 Frequent Lightning: 5 (5/20), (6/13), (7/6), (7/21), 8/1 Hailstorms: 1 (1/2" on 10/12) Max Wind: 50mph (6/13), ~55 (7/6) '22-'23 Winter Snowfall - 0.60" First freeze: Oct 9th Measurable snows: 2 Coldest low: -3 (12/23) Thunders 1/3, 1/12, 3/1, 3/24, Other 2023 Stats Max Wind: 50mph (3/24) Tornado Watches/Warnings: 1 / 0 Severe T'storm Watches/Warnings: 0 / 1 Hailstorms: None yet ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminen Posted September 9, 2016 Report Share Posted September 9, 2016 Can we just delete the last 30+ posts or however many that didn't include pictures? Anyway, here's one from Anchorage in December 2009 from my room. First, the trees were covered in hoarfrost, then we had a half inch of freezing rain, and then finally a schit-ton of snow. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminen Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Gotta keep the winter spirit up until the first wintry weather arrives...eh? The first pic is of Denali from central Anchorage in October 2009. It looks huge from so far away. The second image is from the Cook Inlet south of Anchorage in October 2009. I have to visit Alaska again soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 23, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Gotta keep the winter spirit up until the first wintry weather arrives...eh? The first pic is of Denali from central Anchorage in October 2009. It looks huge from so far away. The second image is from the Cook Inlet south of Anchorage in October 2009. I have to visit Alaska again soon. Great pics! Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 70.5" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I think 2006 gets mentioned (by you and others) a lot whenever the conversation of early season cold waves comes up. Probably an annual discussion. Otherwise it's not going to be thrown into the elite, cool-kid cold wave group because it wasn't quite widespread enough. If you want to talk about NW Wa/B.C. events that don't feel the forum love, then December 1980 and late December 1984 would be better choices. I liked Nov 2010 MUCH more. Much colder, much snowier (at least here) and longer lasting. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2022-23 stats Total Snowfall = 9.2" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 12 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.4" Coldest Low = 17 Lows 32 or below = 72 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 4 Highs 40 or below = 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Anyone else craving winter? I just went back and re-watched some of the blizzard videos on my phone, and I just realized the extent to which I take these storms for granted. I can't believe it's been 9 months already. This was during the early afternoon: http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww243/phillywillie/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-01/9BA02B21-A44A-4554-AB09-BAD16C80BBD8_zpshdwbcpcx.jpg 3 Quote PWS DATA Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 The latest ronald reagan washington national airport weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer Brennan Posted October 21, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 What were snow totals for NW Interior and SW BC in December 1980 and 1984? I use to go on the NCDC site all the time many years ago but if I remember correctly they stopped allowing the public to view the graphs and data. Does that site still exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 What were snow totals for NW Interior and SW BC in December 1980 and 1984? I use to go on the NCDC site all the time many years ago but if I remember correctly they stopped allowing the public to view the graphs and data. Does that site still exist? You can use NCDC's mapping feature to access monthly snowfall totals back to 1900. I normally use the rectangle search grid to narrow down the area I want to look at. You can see it if you click the box with the tool on it. https://gis.ncdc.noaa.gov/maps/ncei/summaries/monthly Looking at the data, some of the biggest lowland snowfalls from December 1980 are: 25.4" at Port Renfrew19.5" at Chilliwack18.5" at West Vancouver Ballantree Place17.9" at Nanaimo17.0" at Abbotsford16.0" at Buckley15.5" at BLI13.6" at YVR13.0" at Forks12.7" at Blaine For December 1984: 37.1" at Chilliwack Westview29.6" at West Vancouver Ballantree Place25.6" at Victoria Prospect Lake24.8" at Chilliwack City19.6" at Victoria Int'l18.4" at Nanaimo15.8" at BLI14.0" at Blaine13.0" at Quilcene10.0" at Coupeville And December 1996: 66.9" at Chilliwack60.4" at Victoria Francis Park48.8" at Victoria Int'l45.8" at Surrey Kwantlen Park43.7" at Duncan37.5" at Nanaimo31.8" at YVR30.7" at Abbotsford30.0" at Blaine30.0" at Olga25.0" at Sequim Its too bad data for BLI is missing from the big snowstorm that month. They would definitely be on this list! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer MossMan Posted October 21, 2016 Author Longtimer Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 1990 flood coverage...https://youtu.be/I9QtxLDf43s Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer Brennan Posted October 21, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 You can use NCDC's mapping feature to access monthly snowfall totals back to 1900. I normally use the rectangle search grid to narrow down the area I want to look at. You can see it if you click the box with the tool on it. https://gis.ncdc.noaa.gov/maps/ncei/summaries/monthly Looking at the data, some of the biggest lowland snowfalls from December 1980 are: 25.4" at Port Renfrew19.5" at Chilliwack18.5" at West Vancouver Ballantree Place17.9" at Nanaimo17.0" at Abbotsford16.0" at Buckley15.5" at BLI13.6" at YVR13.0" at Forks12.7" at Blaine For December 1984: 37.1" at Chilliwack Westview29.6" at West Vancouver Ballantree Place25.6" at Victoria Prospect Lake24.8" at Chilliwack City19.6" at Victoria Int'l18.4" at Nanaimo15.8" at BLI14.0" at Blaine13.0" at Quilcene10.0" at Coupeville And December 1996: 66.9" at Chilliwack60.4" at Victoria Francis Park48.8" at Victoria Int'l45.8" at Surrey Kwantlen Park43.7" at Duncan37.5" at Nanaimo31.8" at YVR30.7" at Abbotsford30.0" at Blaine30.0" at Olga25.0" at Sequim Its too bad data for BLI is missing from the big snowstorm that month. They would definitely be on this list! Thank you for all the data! It’s incredible that Chilliwack did so well. I’m guessing they had insane snowfall totals on the 30th of December after most areas had warmed up. Do you have daily snowfall totals for those locations you posted for? Lower BC has so many locations that record snowfall/temperature data. It’s pretty sad that it’s hard to find a single location in Whatcom County with snowfall data. So many missing months in the last 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thank you for all the data! It’s incredible that Chilliwack did so well. I’m guessing they had insane snowfall totals on the 30th of December after most areas had warmed up. Do you have daily snowfall totals for those locations you posted for? Lower BC has so many locations that record snowfall/temperature data. It’s pretty sad that it’s hard to find a single location in Whatcom County with snowfall data. So many missing months in the last 20 years. No, unfortunately the NCDC removed the daily search feature for 20th century data. You used to be able to search daily data back to 1900 as well (using the same rectangle/map method), but now that feature only allows you to go back to 2006. This change just happened within the last couple years. You can still manually look up daily data for those stations for any given month, either through the NCDC or the Utah Climate Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer BLI snowman Posted October 21, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 No, unfortunately the NCDC removed the daily search feature for 20th century data. You used to be able to search daily data back to 1900 as well (using the same rectangle/map method), but now that feature only allows you to go back to 2006. This change just happened within the last couple years. You can still manually look up daily data for those stations for any given month, either through the NCDC or the Utah Climate Center. You can also find daily data for the Canadian stations through Environment Canada's search feature. Here is Victoria's December 1996 data http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=1953-01-01%7C2013-07-11&dlyRange=1940-07-01%7C2013-07-10&mlyRange=1940-01-01%7C2013-07-01&StationID=118&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=21&searchMethod=contains&txtStationName=victoria&timeframe=2&Year=1996&Month=12&Day=11 And Chilliwack http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=%7C&dlyRange=1879-04-01%7C2014-08-31&mlyRange=1879-01-01%7C2007-02-01&StationID=735&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=0&searchMethod=contains&Month=12&Day=20&txtStationName=chilliwack&timeframe=2&Year=1996 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 You can also find daily data for the Canadian stations through Environment Canada's search feature. Here is Victoria's December 1996 data http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=1953-01-01%7C2013-07-11&dlyRange=1940-07-01%7C2013-07-10&mlyRange=1940-01-01%7C2013-07-01&StationID=118&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=21&searchMethod=contains&txtStationName=victoria&timeframe=2&Year=1996&Month=12&Day=11 And Chilliwack http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=%7C&dlyRange=1879-04-01%7C2014-08-31&mlyRange=1879-01-01%7C2007-02-01&StationID=735&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=0&searchMethod=contains&Month=12&Day=20&txtStationName=chilliwack&timeframe=2&Year=1996 Of course. I should have mentioned that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer Brennan Posted October 21, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 I hate looking at temps and snow in celcius/cm!!! Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sometimesdylan Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 http://i.imgur.com/mLSfU7m.jpgSome moose hunkered down near Haines this last spring. 3 Quote "There are so many waves coming in all the time, you don't have to worry about that. Take your time—wave come. Let the other guys go; catch another one." -Duke Kahanamoku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbotsford_wx Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 You can also find daily data for the Canadian stations through Environment Canada's search feature. Here is Victoria's December 1996 data http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=1953-01-01%7C2013-07-11&dlyRange=1940-07-01%7C2013-07-10&mlyRange=1940-01-01%7C2013-07-01&StationID=118&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=21&searchMethod=contains&txtStationName=victoria&timeframe=2&Year=1996&Month=12&Day=11 And Chilliwack http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=%7C&dlyRange=1879-04-01%7C2014-08-31&mlyRange=1879-01-01%7C2007-02-01&StationID=735&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=0&searchMethod=contains&Month=12&Day=20&txtStationName=chilliwack&timeframe=2&Year=1996 The Chilliwack snowfall data is very suspect. They recorded 102 cm over four days, but only measured 36 cm on the ground at the end of it. The temperature never rose above freezing during that period. Compaction and sublimation can only account for so much loss. Either one or both of those measurements is way off. The problem inherent with measuring snow in an outflow area (particularly one that is very exposed), is that the winds are often so strong that any measurement is little more than an educated guess. You're supposed to measure in several places (including drifts) then average the measurement. It's pretty obvious that protocol was not followed in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer Brennan Posted October 25, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 The Chilliwack snowfall data is very suspect. They recorded 102 cm over four days, but only measured 36 cm on the ground at the end of it. The temperature never rose above freezing during that period. Compaction and sublimation can only account for so much loss. Either one or both of those measurements is way off. The problem inherent with measuring snow in an outflow area (particularly one that is very exposed), is that the winds are often so strong that any measurement is little more than an educated guess. You're supposed to measure in several places (including drifts) then average the measurement. It's pretty obvious that protocol was not followed in this case.It actually would make sense that they only measured 32cm.. the snow that fell probably all got blown away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtimer BLI snowman Posted October 25, 2016 Longtimer Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 The Chilliwack snowfall data is very suspect. They recorded 102 cm over four days, but only measured 36 cm on the ground at the end of it. The temperature never rose above freezing during that period. Compaction and sublimation can only account for so much loss. Either one or both of those measurements is way off. The problem inherent with measuring snow in an outflow area (particularly one that is very exposed), is that the winds are often so strong that any measurement is little more than an educated guess. You're supposed to measure in several places (including drifts) then average the measurement. It's pretty obvious that protocol was not followed in this case. 36cm certainly seems like way too low of a peak depth for that event, the vast majority of the lower mainland had well over 50cm on the ground by the afternoon of December 29. Abbotsford had 69cm on the ground that day and I doubt Chilliwack's depth would have been much less, although the winds were likely a bit stronger there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 It actually would make sense that they only measured 32cm.. the snow that fell probably all got blown away!It all got blown clear across to Vancouver Island. I know I measured a peak depth of 97cm during that event. The official number for Shawnigan Lake was 70cm. I know I made the mistake of measuring on the front Lawn, so my depth was probably inflated a little, but that 70cm number seemed pretty low. I believe they only measure snow depth once per day, so it's possible the depth was much higher between measurements. It was pretty unbelievable watching the road crews clear the snow with a steel track dozer around here. A little tough on the asphalt though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf450ish Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Anyone else craving winter? I just went back and re-watched some of the blizzard videos on my phone, and I just realized the extent to which I take these storms for granted. I can't believe it's been 9 months already. This was during the early afternoon: http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww243/phillywillie/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-01/9BA02B21-A44A-4554-AB09-BAD16C80BBD8_zpshdwbcpcx.jpgDUDE! My neighbor literally just showed me picture of my house from when the previous owners lived here....4 and a half FEET of snow on the ground on January 15th 2013....... INSANE amount of snow pack! They told me that it was a good winter that year. Sheesh I thought last winter for us (1st winter here) was decent......22" on the ground at the deepest point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 DUDE! My neighbor literally just showed me picture of my house from when the previous owners lived here....4 and a half FEET of snow on the ground on January 15th 2013....... INSANE amount of snow pack! They told me that it was a good winter that year. Sheesh I thought last winter for us (1st winter here) was decent......22" on the ground at the deepest point.Wow, nice! Didn't have quite that much here last winter. Depth was between 30-40" after this one, and it melted fast. The 2009/10 winter is our benchmark, though. Between January 29th and February 10th, four separate snowstorms delivered a whopping 5-7 feet across the area, with two of the storms also producing frequent lightning. The last storm on 2/10 delivered convective snow banding and hurricane force winds in some areas. Most amazing storm of my life..will never forget it. In hindsight I really took that winter for granted I think. I still have some pics if you're interested. There were drifts literally covering people's garages and houses. The one-story house on Helmsdale road was literally buried on one side. 1 Quote PWS DATA Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 The latest ronald reagan washington national airport weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf450ish Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Wow, nice! Didn't have quite that much here last winter. Depth was between 30-40" after this one, and it melted fast. The 2009/10 winter is our benchmark, though. Between January 29th and February 10th, four separate snowstorms delivered a whopping 5-7 feet across the area, with two of the storms also producing frequent lightning. The last storm on 2/10 delivered convective snow banding and hurricane force winds in some areas. Most amazing storm of my life..will never forget it. In hindsight I really took that winter for granted I think. I still have some pics if you're interested. There were drifts literally covering people's garages and houses. The one-story house on Helmsdale road was literally buried on one side. YES Id like to see some private pics of a good snow storm. I have watched about every youtube video of eastern snow storms there is a dozen times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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