TT-SEA Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I am convinced that you like the cold and snow in the Winter, but in all fairness, this is the fifth year that you have complained. About what? I was the one guaranteeing the arctic outbreak around Christmas last year. Could not have been more wrong! I am not blaming anyone... just pointing out something it seems we do every year. I like the chances right now in about 10 days. Just have been burned numerous years in a row. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 About what? I was the one guaranteeing the arctic outbreak around Christmas last year. Could not have been more wrong! I am not blaming anyone... just pointing out something it seems we do every year. I like the chances right now in about 10 days. Just have been burned numerous years in a row. Is that interesting? Cold weather freaks wanting cold air during the coldest time of the year? Weird, wacko stuff, man... Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I wouldn't call January 2013 "Arctic" at all, at least not until after the 20th when the big blast slid east of the Rockies. The earlier airmass that came down over the intermountain west had no arctic connection.. Yeah, we didn't have a real arctic tap there. Light offshore flow at its peak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 The PNW has until mid-January to score, as a Niño-esque pattern will likely return in late January..just a heads up.. Par for the course here. February rarely excites in a warm ENSO year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Is that interesting? Cold weather freaks wanting cold air during the coldest time of the year? Weird, wacko stuff, man... For me its also that the week between Christmas and New Years is the best of the entire cold season for obvious reasons... so I become even less objective! Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 For me its also that the week between Christmas and New Years is the best of the entire cold season for obvious reasons... so I become even less objective! The days start getting longer a week from today! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 My god.... who cares. You allowing what is said on here to affect you emotionally is weirder than what is talked about. I have just simply stopped paying attention to him. Just nothing but sour grapes this year. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Meanwhile, six years ago today was quite frustrating on this side of the river. Ask KVUO snowman. It simply can't snow in Clark County anymore. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Jan 2013 was the one winter I was really bullish on an early January Arctic event for the West. It worked out, but ended up fairly weak for the PNW. Another time in recent years where it definitely got cold enough for you guys to get snow, but just didn't come together. It was certainly cold enough. I got an inch or so. We just needed more moisture. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I have just simply stopped paying attention to him. Just nothing but sour grapes this year. Sour grapes? Can you tell me about what? Awesome summer, fall, and now early winter. I am running on 10 months of getting everything I hoped for weatherwise. Does not get better. And 2013 was awesome as well. 2014 has sealed itself has being one of my favorite weather years in my life. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Meanwhile, six years ago today was quite frustrating on this side of the river. Ask KVUO snowman. It simply can't snow in Clark County anymore. Ask deweydog, no snow in Clark County last December 6 going into that arctic outbreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I wouldn't call January 2013 "Arctic" at all, at least not until after the 20th when the big blast slid east of the Rockies. The earlier airmass that came down over the intermountain west had no arctic connection.. Eh, I'm not going to argue about it, but I think some of the numbers in the West speak for themselves. Spokane: two sub-20 highsBoise: 17/2Salt Lake City: 14/-2Denver: 11/-5 Those aren't numbers that happen without Arctic air. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Ask deweydog, no snow in Clark County last December 6 going into that arctic outbreak That inch in Felida was a hard pill to swallow. My rant paled in comparison, though... Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 4th and 39? Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 The PNW has until mid-January to score, as a Niño-esque pattern will likely return in late January..just a heads up.. I have generally thought this way all along for this winter. On the other hand it appears the Nino could weaken pretty substantially in the coming weeks and you do have winters like 1994-95 that managed an Arctic event in Feb. As long as we have a great Jan I really don't care if that's it though. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 4th and 39? Embodies this team's biggest weakness quite nicely. Ironic to see they probably iced this game on an absolutely awful big play penalty... against the opposition. Awful call, that is. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 That inch in Felida was a hard pill to swallow. My rant paled in comparison, though... Definitely not due for snow going into an arctic airmass anymore. Too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Definitely not due for snow going into an arctic airmass anymore. Too bad. Felida's f***ed the next time around. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Embodies this team's biggest weakness quite nicely. Ironic to see they probably iced this game on an absolutely awful big play penalty... against the opposition. Awful call, that is. Buck and Aikman are whining like babies about it. Score would be 13-7 and SEA defense has still dominated the entire half. Better excuse for SF would be Gore's injury, that was truly fortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Embodies this team's biggest weakness quite nicely. Ironic to see they probably iced this game on an absolutely awful big play penalty... against the opposition. Awful call, that is. Yeah... Aikman will not stop talking about it. But we have been the victim of crap calls in the past as well. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Buck and Aikman are whining like babies about it. Score would be 13-7 and SEA defense has still dominated the entire half. Better excuse for SF would be Gore's injury, that was truly fortunate. I agree completely. A comeback was still unlikely and the Gore injury was huge. They were mixing it up nicely in the first half. Almost made #7 look competent. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Felida's fu*ked the next time around. 3" at Mt. Vista. Hockinson got owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Yeah... Aikman will not stop talking about it. But we have been the victim of crap calls in the past as well. Whenever someone whines about the Seahawks getting a call, I tell them: "At least it wasn't the Super Bowl." Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Eh, I'm not going to argue about it, but I think some of the numbers in the West speak for themselves. Spokane: two sub-20 highsBoise: 17/2Salt Lake City: 14/-2Denver: 11/-5 Those aren't numbers that happen without Arctic air.Sure they can, Canadian air is plenty cold. There was no Arctic connection at that time, though.. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Whenever someone whines about the Seahawks getting a call, I tell them: "At least it wasn't the Super Bowl." Exactly. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 3" at Mt. Vista. Hockinson got owned. No one had more than a inch and a half or so that I remember. We were at WSU Vancouver that Saturday night and there was a little under an inch. At any rate, it was nice. Cold too. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I have generally thought this way all along for this winter. On the other hand it appears the Nino could weaken pretty substantially in the coming weeks and you do have winters like 1994-95 that managed an Arctic event in Feb. As long as we have a great Jan I really don't care if that's it though.I'm really craving a triple phaser right now, haha..just give me a few bombs and I'll be a happy camper. Winter has started strong here despite the lack of significant Arctic air so far.. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Sure they can, Canadian air is plenty cold. There was no Arctic connection at that time, though.. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. FWIW, I consider Arctic air and Canadian air to be the same thing. It came from the north. Its cold. Does it really matter if it originated at 58N or 66N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Canadian air is plenty cold, yes. There was no Arctic connection at that time, though. Part of Canada is even in the Arctic! Whatever you want to call it, it came from the north, it was cold, and it affected the West with some major negative anomalies. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 FWIW, I consider Arctic air and Canadian air to be the same thing. It came from the north. Its cold. Does it really matter if it originated at 58N or 66N? Funny. We were typing that at the same time. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 FWIW, I consider Arctic air and Canadian air to be the same thing. It came from the north. Its cold. Does it really matter if it originated at 58N or 66N?Yes 80N vs 55N matters..that's an entirely different jet you're talking about.. It's the concept of source region..The February of 2010 was devoid of any real Arctic air in the US, despite being a very cold month. The January 2014 blast was truly Arctic, as was December 2010.. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Funny. We were typing that at the same time. I couldn't help but notice. That was a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 FWIW, I consider Arctic air and Canadian air to be the same thing. It came from the north. Its cold. Does it really matter if it originated at 58N or 66N?[/quote Yes 80N vs 55N matters..that's an entirely different jet you're talking about.. Well, I can tell you that here on the ground, it was indistinguishable from any other number of events that apparently originated at a higher latitude. The news even called it an Arctic blast. So there! Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Part of Canada is even in the Arctic! Whatever you want to call it, it came from the north, it was cold, and it affected the West with some major negative anomalies.Lol, it "came" from central Alberta, there was no cross-polar flow, or even a polar low nearby. Whatever floats your boat I guess. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Yes 80N vs 55N matters..that's an entirely different jet you're talking about.. It's the concept of source region..The February of 2010 was devoid of any real Arctic air in the US, despite being a very cold month. The January 2014 blast was truly Arctic, as was December 2010.. I don't really care about that stuff to be honest with you. To me, cold air is cold air. The only distinction I make is whether its "fake cold" or if there is upper level support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Well, I can tell you that here on the ground, it was indistinguishable from any other number of events that apparently originated at a higher latitude. The news even called it an Arctic blast. So there! Haha, I digress. It got cold, mid-latitude wave train was highly amplified. I just look at things in a detail-oriented manner. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 No one had more than a inch and a half or so that I remember. We were at WSU Vancouver that Saturday night and there was a little under an inch. At any rate, it was nice. Cold too. Definitely 2-3" in the Salmon Creek area that morning, my mom reported about that too before sublimation kicked in. https://fox12weather.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/marksnowtotalsnorthmetroonly.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I don't really care about that stuff to be honest with you. To me, cold air is cold air. The only distinction I make is whether its "fake cold" or if there is upper level support.That's fair. Specifics matter a lot to me, that's all. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Yes 80N vs 55N matters..that's an entirely different jet you're talking about.. It's the concept of source region..The February of 2010 was devoid of any real Arctic air in the US, despite being a very cold month. The January 2014 blast was truly Arctic, as was December 2010.. I agree with you. It's maybe a fine line, but it seems like a reasonable distinction to make IMO. In any case the 2013 pattern was clearly lacking the low level CAA teeth that our legitimate arctic near misses still tend to exhibit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 I agree with you. It's maybe a fine line, but it seems like a reasonable distinction to make IMO. In any case the 2013 pattern was clearly lacking the low level CAA teeth that our legitimate arctic near misses still tend to exhibit. I'm sticking to my guns on this one. There are usually benefits to big picture thinking, but I don't see this being one of those cases. Forget laypeople, even most weather weenies won't care if their cold airmass came down from Alberta or Nunavut. It doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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