February 2015 PNW Discussion

[Front Ranger]

Winter continues to laugh at that Juneau forecast that claimed it was dead a couple weeks ago: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=58.301938546000486&lon=-134.4197167529997&site=all&smap=1#.VNQ4G9LF8dE

[MossMan]

Winter continues to laugh at that Juneau forecast that claimed it was dead a couple weeks ago: http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=58.301938546000486&lon=-134.4197167529997&site=all&smap=1#.VNQ4G9LF8dE

Wow, up to 90mph winds and 12"+ snowfall. That is what you call a descent winter storm!

[Jesse]

Wow, up to 90mph winds and 12"+ snowfall. That is what you call a descent winter storm!

 

I would even go so far as to say it was an ascent winter storm!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

I can't wait for our first strong marine push of summer!

[Front Ranger]

I would even go so far as to say it was an ascent winter storm!

 

Comedy. Gold.

[Front Ranger]

I can't wait for our first strong marine push of summer!

 

 

[BLI snowman]

No one storm is going to erase the drought. Even a huge snowstorm in the Sierras down to 5,000' wouldn't matter much if the late winter/early spring torches and it's all gone by summer.

 

In light of how little rain CA has gotten the past 5 weeks or so, this storm is significant. It doesn't solve the long term issue, but it provides some relief in the short term, more water in the reservoirs, and buys some time for things to get better before they could get worse again.

 

Put it this way: if it weren't for the big mid December storm and this upcoming one, the water outlook for the next few months in CA would be much more dire.

 

We're going in circles here. Yes, rainfall helps. No, it won't change the long term outlook too much.

[HighlandExperience]

Atmospheric river pointed right at us, and the freezing level currently around 8K. 

 

Wow.  <_>

[VancouverIslandSouth]

Pretty decent winter storm up for NW BC, looks like several feet of snow and strong outflow winds in the Terrace region. Quite a strong temperature gradient up there too, 48/46F in Prince Rupert and 27/25F a little under 100 miles away in Terrace. Wish they had radar coverage in that region.

[DareDuck]

The average spring storm drops more in 20 minutes than has fallen here in the last couple days. Happy to see those down south get much needed rainfall though.

[richard mann]

We're going in circles here. Yes, rainfall helps. No, it ..... won't change the long term outlook too much.

 

More like you're holding to a ridiculous premise.

 

— More like, .... Rainfall helps. .... An unknown amount, won't significantly at all. 

 

— Ridiculous mainly, more in that you've said nothing more than this repeatedly.-The unknown factor alone suggests the relative value, certainly usefulness, of your view point.-With your "speculation" as to the degree of potential relief more "drought" focused that might result with the rain expected from the series of systems being looked at here, it's been suggested that you hold off with any further speculation until they in fact pass through. 

 

—>  http://theweatherforums.com/index.php/topic/808-february-2015-pnw-discussion/?p=68879

 

     -http://theweatherforums.com/index.php/topic/808-february-2015-pnw-discussion/?p=68946

[Phil]

New Euro weeklies are a continuation of the same pattern through early-mid March..+PNA/+NAO with the Arctic air confined east of the Mississippi.

[richard mann]

We don't need "Arctic Air" per se. Even for snow. Just significantly cold air. Enough to offset main moisture.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Quite a bit of rain...

[westcoastexpat]

Has Seattle seen any measurable snow this winter?

[Jesse]

Long range 06z was nice. I would not at all be opposed to another shot of dry cold, if not just to remind us that it's still winter. Could kick the pattern in the butt too.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Has Seattle seen any measurable snow this winter?

I think they had like an inch in November.

[bainbridgekid]

Has Seattle seen any measurable snow this winter?

I got 0.5" at UW in late November and parts of the city got a little over an inch.

 

Nothing since then though.

[BLI snowman]

 

More like you're holding to a ridiculous premise.

 

— More like, .... Rainfall helps. .... An unknown amount, won't significantly at all. 

 

— Ridiculous mainly, more in that you've said nothing more than this repeatedly.-The unknown factor alone suggests the relative value, certainly usefulness, of your view point.-With your "speculation" as to the degree of potential relief more "drought" focused that might result with the rain expected from the series of systems being looked at here, it's been suggested that you hold off with any further speculation until they in fact pass through. 

 

—>  http://theweatherforums.com/index.php/topic/808-february-2015-pnw-discussion/?p=68879

 

     -http://theweatherforums.com/index.php/topic/808-february-2015-pnw-discussion/?p=68946

 

That's great, leastwise I'll take it under advisement more north as soon as you comprehend my point.

 

"Quack".

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Live report from Salem on the banks of the Willamette. Its raining. The Ducks and Geese seem to be enjoying it. 

[luvssnow_spokane]

Has Seattle seen any measurable snow this winter?

I had barley a .25 of an inch at my place. Just enough to make it white for a couple days.

[Deweydog]

Definitely a more traditional nino look to things coming up.  

[TT-SEA]

Live report from Salem on the banks of the Willamette. Its raining. The Ducks and Geese seem to be enjoying it. 

 

Update... rain appears to have stopped in Salem, Oregon.

 

Quite the back-edge to this one.

[richard mann]

That's great, leastwise I'll take it under advisement ......... more north......as soon as ..... you comprehend my point.

 

"Buzzer noise."

 

Do. Sooner.  Certainly not much either whether here or within anything other that you'd had to say or pointed to to "compre-hend".

 

Or don't. Makes no difference to me. 

 

......... And Later.

 

"Quack".

 (Got this part right at least. You'll go far.)

[Deweydog]

A little sunny sun sunshine poking out here!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Update... rain appears to have stopped in Salem, Oregon.

 

Quite the back-edge to this one.

True. The homeless ppl are starting to emerge from the river bank shelters and once again begin to scavenge the city for booze and a fix.

[BLI snowman]

 

"Buzzer noise."

 

Do. Sooner.  Certainly not much either whether here or within anything other that you'd had to say or pointed to to "compre-hend".

 

Or don't. Makes no difference to me. 

 

......... And Later.

 

 

 (Got this part right at least. You'll go far.)

 

....Thanks (jackhammer noise).

 

:> 

 

Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto. General cold air more broadside top heavy. 242, Alabama right. Hike.

[richard mann]

(.ol) 

 

.. Have fun.

 

http://theweatherforums.com/index.php/topic/177-california-weather-climate/?p=69006

[Jesse]

A little sunny sun sunshine poking out here!

We've been horribly deprived.

[Deweydog]

It was snowing heavily, 19 degrees and not warming globally at our house 365 days ago at this very moment.

[Jesse]

It was snowing heavily, 19 degrees and not warming globally at our house 365 days ago at this very moment.

 

Nope. Slow background warming was still occurring. 

 

Weather doesn't make climate, silly!

[Phil]

Nope. Slow background warming was still occurring.

 

Weather doesn't make climate, silly!

The trend in global radiation fluxes and tropospheric temperatures since 2001 argues otherwise.

 

Statistics and physical reality, silly!

[Jesse]

The trend in global radiation fluxes and tropospheric temperatures since 2001 argues otherwise.

 

Statistics and physical reality, silly!

Apparently 97% of the world's leading scientists disagree with statistics and physical reality then, silly!

[Front Ranger]

Nope. Slow background warming was still occurring. 

 

Weather doesn't make climate, silly!

 

Comedy. Gold.

[Phil]

Apparently 97% of the world's leading scientists disagree with statistics and physical reality then, silly!

Apparently you're very gullible. You're recanting decade-old surveys that have since been refuted, silly!

 

I can tell you, the real number is far lower..more like 60-70%.

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

 

Yet the assertion that 97% of scientists believe that climate change is a man-made, urgent problem is a fiction. The so-called consensus comes from a handful of surveys and abstract-counting exercises that have been contradicted by more reliable research.

 

In 2013, John Cook, an Australia-based blogger, and some of his friends reviewed abstracts of peer-reviewed papers published from 1991 to 2011. Mr. Cook reported that 97% of those who stated a position explicitly or implicitly suggest that human activity is responsible for some warming. His findings were published in Environmental Research Letters.

 

Mr. Cook's work was quickly debunked. In Science and Education in August 2013, for example, David R. Legates (a professor of geography at the University of Delaware and former director of its Center for Climatic Research) and three coauthors reviewed the same papers as did Mr. Cook and found "only 41 papers—0.3 percent of all 11,944 abstracts or 1.0 percent of the 4,014 expressing an opinion, and not 97.1 percent—had been found to endorse" the claim that human activity is causing most of the current warming. Elsewhere, climate scientists including Craig Idso, Nicola Scafetta, Nir J. Shaviv and Nils- Axel Morner, whose research questions the alleged consensus, protested that Mr. Cook ignored or misrepresented their work.

 

 

[richard mann]

.. Actually. The "real" real .. number is ....

 

http://www.proxigee.com/can-o-worms.jpeg

 

(Comin' right up.)

 

http://theweatherforums.com/index.php/topic/811-global-warming-elements-of-discussion/

[Deweydog]

Nope. Slow background warming was still occurring.

 

Weather doesn't make climate, silly!

I dunno... The background looked pretty white and wintry!

[Phil]

Global warming must be confined to Jesse's house. CERES detects a lot of hot air coming from that location.

[richard mann]

"Totally dude."

[Deweydog]

Global warming must be confined to Jesse's house. CERES detects a lot of hot air coming from that location.

Seems to me the globe was fairly warm in 2014.