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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:23 PM

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Hardly.

They need to get their act together.

Pretty fair to critique the awful play by the offense... as the media will do. And those guys are fans as well.


It's just not like you to overreact to things...
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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:23 PM

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Hardly.

They need to get their act together.

Pretty fair to critique the awful play by the offense... as the media will do. And those guys are fans as well.


It is their job to critique. They get paid for it.

A fans job is to support and love no matter what.

I get it, they are not playing well, but so what, they fix it every year, especially under Pete.

You sound worried, no reason to be.

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:26 PM

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It is their job to critique. They get paid for it.

A fans job is to support and love no matter what.

I get it, they are not playing well, but so what, they fix it every year, especially under Pete.

You sound worried, no reason to be.

 

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East Coast fans are NEVER hard on their team.   



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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:28 PM

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With this offense... one touchdown in 22 drives? Lots of teams have dealt with injuries and adversity already this year and none of them are doing that bad. Except for the Rams.

Offensive line is the biggest concern because it is a long-standing personnel issue. It doesn't appear to be improved from last year and the spacing and blocking are non existent for the run game especially right now. A legitimate issue that will keep the offense from being league average a lot of the time.

Otherwise the rest of the offense just looks banged up and out of sync. Pieces are there and I'm not worried about most being able to step up into their roles.

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:30 PM

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It's just not like you to overreact to things...

 

 

Awful is awful.   

 

Stands in stark contrast to that 5 game stretch last year.   Expectations are high.   3 points sucks even for the Jaguars and Browns.



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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:33 PM

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Offensive line is the biggest concern because it is a long-standing personnel issue. It doesn't appear to be improved from last year and the spacing and blocking are non existent for the run game especially right now. A legitimate issue that will keep the offense from being league average a lot of the time.

Otherwise the rest of the offense just looks banged up and out of sync. Pieces are there and I'm not worried about most being able to step up into their roles.

 

 

Unfortunate part of a weak offensive line... you run a much higher risk of injury to Wilson.     They should have done more in the offseason since it was pretty bad last year.



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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:34 PM

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Awful is awful.

Stands in stark contrast to that 5 game stretch last year. Expectations are high. 3 points sucks even for the Jaguars and Browns.


We lose to the Rams every year, get over it.

We have work to do, not difficult to see, but you come across as it's impossible to do.

A real fan would never sound like this.

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:38 PM

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We lose to the Rams every year, get over it.

We have work to do, not difficult to see, but you come across as it's impossible to do.

A real fan would never sound like this.

 

:lol:

 

Have you ever been anywhere outside of the PNW and talked to sports fans??   

 

This is just a silly comment.    You make it sound like a cult.    

 

They have been awful on offense.   It is what it is.   I am hoping they figure it out quickly.    Get over it.   

 

Now I will spend most of my commute time this week listening to fanatic Seahwaks fans calling into talk shows saying the same basic thing as I am saying.   You have dragged this out way longer than it needs to be discussed.  



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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:43 PM

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:lol:

Have you ever been anywhere outside of the PNW and talked to sports fans??

This is just a silly comment. You make it sound like a cult.

They have been awful on offense. It is what it is. I am hoping they figure it out quickly. Get over it.

Now I will spend most of my commute time this week listening to fanatic Seahwaks fans calling into talk shows saying the same basic thing as I am saying. You have dragged this out way longer than it needs to be discussed.


I am open minded, don't allow myself to get emotional over a 1 and 1 start when there is no basis for it.

Enjoy being frustrated over nothing Tim.

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 08:45 PM

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I am open minded, don't allow myself to get emotional over a 1 and 1 start when there is no basis for it.
Enjoy being frustrated over nothing Tim.

OK Chris.

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 09:20 PM

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Allow me to take to the page in a manner most associated with something Tim would write in November.

Our professional football team has with this single game, given us a glimpse not only into the future of the franchise, but also stripped the veneer of anything that someone can consider "top tear NFL quality". There are of course the institutional problems with a violent, all male, hypercompetitive sport that preys on people of color and works to further propagate the hegemony of homonormative patriarchal norms that make it perfectly acceptable for white people to root for black-on-black violence. But I'll save the social justice rant for our loss against the 49rs next week. Let’s look at why the Seahawks are the worst team in the NFL, and possibly in all of sporting.

Our Quarterback - Russell Wilson is at best the Philip Rivers of tomorrow, and at worse, the feel good backup that every NFC North team needs. While most of Russell's critics have been quick to point out that in the absence of his physical prowess, he is a great manager, those critics should even go as far to reevaluate that. Great game managers play on other teams, but not our Seattle Seahawks. Also, Luck is and always has been better than Wilson in every way, and to argue that only shows how little you know about football.

Our Offence - If you want to see how a professional team plays on the front side of the football, then you should check out the 31 other teams in the league. Even the Browns were able to put up a few touchdowns. Both Tim and Troy are right, the Seahawks are the absolute worst as scoring, moving the ball, playing football, or even just existing on the field. Now some of us might point out that the play calling has been incredibly poor for even AAAA high school football, and others would try to say that our Quarterback and Savior has been limited in his scrambling, but that is too optimistic for Tim and I. Our poor offence exists because everyone in our coaching lineup doesn't know how to football. There isn't much to argue against that, as what I stated is pure fact. We need to not only get rid of Bevel and Cable, but we the Seahawks to fire Pete Carrol as well.

Our Defense - It is like a flashback to 1992, where it was great at times, but you don't win games with a couple of good players. When we play elite teams, like the Dolphins or the St Louis Rams formerly of Anaheim and currently of Los Angeles, we should expect missed tackles and slow play. Richard Sherman is the worst corner in the league. You cannot question that statement by any means.

Overall, I expect us to maybe win a game by luck, but we should be expecting to lose by three to five touchdowns a game. We should only be so lucky when they put us out of our misery and move our team to a city that deserves football, Oklahoma City. The Seattle Seahawks should relocate, or be removed from the professional level, because they play like children on drugs.

We are the worst, everything and everyone sucks, and this team sucks. We should give up on football and talk about something else, because we don’t talk about all American teams, like the Cowboys or the Packers.


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Posted 18 September 2016 - 09:22 PM

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I am open minded, don't allow myself to get emotional over a 1 and 1 start when there is no basis for it.

Enjoy being frustrated over nothing Tim.


He does it to get a rise out of people. He enjoys what he does.
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Posted 18 September 2016 - 09:25 PM

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Unfortunate part of a weak offensive line... you run a much higher risk of injury to Wilson. They should have done more in the offseason since it was pretty bad last year.


When Dallas lost there 1st game of the season. I gave up and threw my Dez Bryant jersey away. No way you can bounce back from 0-1 :(

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 09:40 PM

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The offense has been pretty awful to watch, no denying that. Almost reminds me of the early 90's Seahawks...yet I watched (or listened to the games since the Kingdome games were blacked out due to non existent ticket sales) every single game, every year since I was a kid. I don't remember ground Chuck flipping out and running over his players to get to the ref and scream..that was entertaining! Much more entertaining than the game really! I'm tired and going to bed now. Go Hawks.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 04:53 AM

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When Dallas lost there 1st game of the season. I gave up and threw my Dez Bryant jersey away. No way you can bounce back from 0-1 :(

Oh wait.....

 

 

So now I am not fan because I think their offense has sucked for the first 2 games??  

 

This is a very strange conversation.   I think it makes you more a fan to be invested to call out poor play and dumb mistakes.    

 

Have you ever been to Boston, or NYC, or Philly?     Do you understand that their lifelong fans call out poor play and dumb mistakes every time?  

 

Sounds like Chris is a cult-following sheep.   I am fan of the Seahawks.      



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 04:58 AM

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They'll get better.


This. They always start off slow, and really struggle against the Rams.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 05:06 AM

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This. They always start off slow, and really struggle against the Rams.

 

This is close to the worst start in terms of scoring in the history of the franchise.   And they have had some pretty bad teams.   My hope was they were past this silly stuff about digging holes and needing adversity to be good.   Just be a good team from the start.   This is getting really old and sounds like excuses.    They had to play in Minnesota and Carolina last January because they dug the hole too deep earlier in the season.

 

Good article from Danny O'Neil... 

 

http://sports.mynort...o-easy-answers/


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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:48 AM

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10-6 maybe 9-7. It'll probably get them something in the way of a playoff game.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:58 AM

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10-6 maybe 9-7. It'll probably get them something in the way of a playoff game.

 

 

Expectation was that this was the best Seahawks team in the Carroll/Schneider era... squeaking into the playoffs is not success.   But that might be the optimistic outlook right now.    



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 08:04 AM

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Expectation was that this was the best Seahawks team in the Carroll/Schneider era... squeaking into the playoffs is not success. But that might be the optimistic outlook right now.

I didn't realize expectations were that high on this group. Seems like they need to focus on the mental side of the game more than the football side. Obviously talented but relying on miracle plays and 4th quarter comebacks late in the season isn't a recipe for ongoing success.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 08:10 AM

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I didn't realize expectations were that high on this group. Seems like they need to focus on the mental side of the game more than the football side. Obviously talented but relying on miracle plays and 4th quarter comebacks late in the season isn't a recipe for ongoing success.

 

Exactly.   Its silly to continually dig deep holes and then play this 'chip on your shoulder' crap.     It bites you in the end.   Like last year without a home playoff game.

 

Listening to 710 ESPN this morning... Salk said a couple weeks ago he was thinking 14-2 and completely dominating to now thinking this is a season where they are just trying to survive into the playoffs.   

 

But hey... some say we should expect the worst and be happy with the occasional miracle plays and games.    They should be better and have learned from their mistakes.     This is a talented group.   But they just run hot and cold.   No consistency.



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 08:17 AM

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Peter King's take:

 

“I think this question must be asked: Can Seattle salvage any offensive production? That’s a little dramatic, but we’re one-eighth of the way through the season, and there is nothing this supposedly power team can do with any consistency on offense. Seattle’s scored an average of 12.3 points in its past four games, Russell Wilson is playing with a high ankle sprain, the offensive line is a sieve, and the running game can’t get out of its way. Other than that, Pete Carroll, how’s your September going? Watching the Seahawks on Sunday, this is what struck me: They’ve got nothing to rely on with that offense. Nothing. With San Francisco at home, then the Jets in New Jersey and a bye, this team has to get top line prospect Germain Ifedi back healthy and playing, and has to get Wilson more mobile if that’s possible.”



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 10:08 AM

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Exactly. Its silly to continually dig deep holes and then play this 'chip on your shoulder' crap. It bites you in the end. Like last year without a home playoff game.

Listening to 710 ESPN this morning... Salk said a couple weeks ago he was thinking 14-2 and completely dominating to now thinking this is a season where they are just trying to survive into the playoffs.

But hey... some say we should expect the worst and be happy with the occasional miracle plays and games. They should be better and have learned from their mistakes. This is a talented group. But they just run hot and cold. No consistency.


Really ? 14-2...? I never had them dominating like that before the season started. 11-5 I always liked.
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Posted 19 September 2016 - 10:10 AM

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10-6 maybe 9-7. It'll probably get them something in the way of a playoff game.


11-5. Get them a home playoff game and there meet Dallas a game before the superbowl.
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Posted 19 September 2016 - 10:16 AM

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Really ? 14-2...? I never had them dominating like that before the season started. 11-5 I always liked.

 

 

Probably tainted by local talk radio hype here.     



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Overreaction city. Same thing the past 2 years. History says they'll improve dramatically as the season progresses (barring big injuries).

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 02:49 PM

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Tim is right, probably a 1-15 or 2-14 team for the next few decades.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 03:44 PM

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Tim is right, probably a 1-15 or 2-14 team for the next few decades.



Wow... you are insanely protective of the Seahawks! This is completely fair criticism over a really bad showing on offense this year so far.

You should hear the discussion on KGR and 710 ESPN today.

They must all hate the Seahawks and think they should fold up the franchise as a result of two pretty pathetic games on the offensive side of the ball. Because the criticism is flying from the hosts and the callers. And rightfully so.

True fans are passionate about the good and bad. Not cult-following sheep. :lol:

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 04:11 PM

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One thing is for sure, getting an early start on contact drills is definitely paying off.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 04:50 PM

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Ultimately they will adjust and get it figured out, but the last two games definitely warrant some criticism and discussion. But as poorly as they played, just Lockett getting free on that big pass play or Micheal not fumbling at the end of the game and we would be 2-0 and the freaking out wouldn't be nearly as extensive. If we can limp through the next two games with hopefully wins, the bye week will help a lot to get everyone healthy again.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 05:00 PM

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Ultimately they will adjust and get it figured out, but the last two games definitely warrant some criticism and discussion. But as poorly as they played, just Lockett getting free on that big pass play or Micheal not fumbling at the end of the game and we would be 2-0 and the freaking out wouldn't be nearly as extensive. If we can limp through the next two games with hopefully wins, the bye week will help a lot to get everyone healthy again.

 

 

Thing that bugs me is that they seem to start slowly in most games and lately each season.    Like they are bored unless their backs are against the wall.  Just stupid.   Come out flying and win from the start.     Good teams don't take at least half of each game and half of each season to "figure it out".   



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Thing that bugs me is that they seem to start slowly in most games and lately each season. Like they are bored unless their backs are against the wall. Just stupid. Come out flying and win from the start. Good teams don't take at least half of each game and half of each season to "figure it out".


Do you think they're trying to do that?

The thing about competitive sports is that BOTH teams are trying hard to win.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 05:21 PM

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Do you think they're trying to do that?

The thing about competitive sports is that BOTH teams are trying hard to win.

 

Not intentionally... but too much talent to be so flat coming out of the gate.    They have scored a total of 9 points in the first half of their last 4 games (0,0,6,3)



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 05:56 PM

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Not intentionally... but too much talent to be so flat coming out of the gate. They have scored a total of 9 points in the first half of their last 4 games (0,0,6,3)


Some good teams with talent are like that tho. Look at the LA Kings so much talent on there team but thet can be always slow to start off, Happens in other sports. The Seahawks are a team that won a superbowl and have been at the top of the NFL so teams play them hard. This is what happens sometimes.

Also didn't they just get fined and lost a draft pick?
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Posted 19 September 2016 - 05:58 PM

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Some good teams with talent are like that tho. Look at the LA Kings so much talent on there team but thet can be always slow to start off, Happens in other sports. The Seahawks are a team that won a superbowl and have been at the top of the NFL so teams play them hard. This is what happens sometimes.

Also didn't they just get fined and lost a draft pick?

 

Yeah... for something really stupid.   Accidental contact in OTAs.



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 06:00 PM

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Yeah... for something really stupid. Accidental contact in OTAs.


Really?.. What round was the draft pick in?
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Posted 19 September 2016 - 06:02 PM

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Really?.. What round was the draft pick in?

 

 

5th round.

 

Where they found Chancellor and Sherman.   



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 06:44 PM

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Rams beat Seahawks 9-3. Is this football or baseball?

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:07 PM

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Rams beat Seahawks 9-3. Is this football or baseball?

Well the Mariners are currently loosing one of their must win games so yeah football/baseball...tough times in the Pac Northwest pro sports. At least we have the Huskies!,

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:13 PM

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Well the Mariners are currently loosing one of their must win games so yeah football/baseball...tough times in the Pac Northwest pro sports. At least we have the Huskies!,

 

 

Every time they say the Mariners are playing a critical series... they come out and lay an egg.      I don't expect them to take this series with the Blue Jays.

 

When all hope is lost and nobody is paying attention they go on win streaks to get back into the race.



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:24 PM

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Every time they say the Mariners are playing a critical series... they come out and lay an egg. I don't expect them to take this series with the Blue Jays.

When all hope is lost and nobody is paying attention they go on win streaks to get back into the race.

So true! Oh and I just read that Ciara might be preggers...perhaps that is why Wilson is suddenly slowing down, getting hurt...turning gray...happens to the best of us 😀

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:28 PM

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So true! Oh and I just read that Ciara might be preggers...perhaps that is why Wilson is suddenly slowing down, getting hurt...turning gray...happens to the best of us

 

 

You would think that would ground him and allow him to focus on work.

 

The most passionate and excited the Seahawks have been this year is talking about the national anthem.   Lets focus on that!  


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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:37 PM

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Mariners miss the playoffs for the 15th consecutive year. 40th straight year without a pennant. Lol.
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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:38 PM

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Mariners miss the playoffs for the 15th consecutive year. 40th straight year without a pennant. Lol.

 

 

As soon as you shine a spotlight on them they freeze up like a deer in headlights.    


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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:53 PM

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Maybe they can get a no-hitter thrown against them in game 1. Truly laying an egg. :)

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 08:20 PM

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Maybe they can get a no-hitter thrown against them in game 1. Truly laying an egg. :)

They got one. Lots of jays fans down there for the game. Hard to tell who is the home team.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 08:23 PM

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They got one. Lots of jays fans down there for the game. Hard to tell who is the home team.

 

 

Yeah... sort of interesting to see so many fans in Safeco cheering against the Mariners.   Especially when most everyone there probably lives within 2.5 hours of the stadium.     And the opponent is from the other side of the continent.  



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 08:28 PM

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Yeah... sort of interesting to see so many fans in Safeco cheering against the Mariners. Especially when most everyone there probably lives within 2.5 hours of the stadium. And the opponent is from the other side of the continent.

The starting pitcher for the visiting team just got a standing ovation. Gotta be kind of a strange feeling for the Mariners.

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 10:48 PM

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Don't know if anyone saw the FiveThirtyEight article about the M's playoff drought. 

 

We're officially the least lucky team in the MLB. 

 

http://fivethirtyeig...stseason-break/



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Posted 20 September 2016 - 07:24 PM

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That is just insane how many Blue Jays fans are there.

Canadians have a lot of time and disposable income on their hands.

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