Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: Unless that lake is *exceptionally* stable/poorly mixed, it is physically impossible for an average air temperature in the 50s to co-exist with water temperatures in the 70s over many weeks/months. Would violate multiple laws of thermodynamics. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Phil said: Unless that lake **exceptionally** stable/poorly mixed, it is physically impossible for an average air temperature in the 50s to co-exist with water temperatures in the 70s over many weeks/months. Would violate multiple laws of thermodynamics. It's real dude. Top layer warms in the sun. Our depth finder always agrees with the buoy temp. We will all be swimming tomorrow and we don't swim in 50 degree water. It will be awesome as it always is on that lake. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Town Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: We will be swimming and tubing tomorrow! Sounds like a great time. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Water temp is 69 now at the buoy in the middle of the lake... 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: It's real dude. Top layer warms in the sun. Our depth finder always agrees with the buoy temp. We will all be swimming tomorrow and we don't swim in 50 degree water. It will be awesome as it always is on that lake. Then your depth finder is a piece of s**t. And so is that buoy. The heat capacity of water is astronomically higher than that of the atmosphere above. The majority of heat exchange is between the water and atmosphere itself (diffusive), not radiative. And top layer isn’t static. That water is constantly mixing/overturning. Not to mention evaporatively cooling (latent heat absorbed) and conducting with the surrounding air. No lake on the planet will warm 20+ degrees above the ambient air temperature on radiative heating alone. It can’t happen. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Phil said: Then your depth finder is a piece of s**t. And so is that buoy. The top layer isn’t static. That water is constantly mixing/overturning. Not to mention evaporating (latent heat absorbed) and conducting with the surrounding air. The heat capacity of water is higher than that of the atmosphere above. The majority of heat exchange is between the water and atmosphere (diffusive), not radiative. No lake on the planet will warm 20+ degrees above the ambient air temperature on radiative heating alone. It can’t happen. OK Phil. Argue all you want. It always great swimming there. And will be tomorrow. I know what 70 degree water feels like. And we don't swim in cold water. Ask @bainbridgekid It's best lake in the state for boating and water activities. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Marine Layer Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Water temp is 69 now at the buoy in the middle of the lake... Much warmer than the ocean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Unless there’s some mechanism present through which vertical overturning is essentially reduced to zero, and there is almost no wind present, and daytime hours are almost 100% clear w/ full insolation, while nighttime hours are almost 100% cloudy, it is impossible. The laws of thermodynamics would preclude it. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: Unless there’s some mechanism present through which vertical overturning is essentially reduced to **zero**, and there is almost no wind present, and daytime hours are almost 100% clear w/ full insolation, while nighttime hours are almost 100% cloudy, it is impossible. The laws of thermodynamics preclude it. This a futile argument on your part. That lake is our summer home. We know exactly what it's like. Anyone who has been there will agree. 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Do we really need to have the lake is or isn’t actually piss warm argument every summer? Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Beautiful day. 83/47 spread for the warmest day of the year so far, but with a nice cool start. Looks hot the next three days then hopefully some relief. 2 1 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: This a futile argument on your part. That lake is our summer home. We know exactly what it's like. Anyone who has been there will agree. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Phil said: Unless there’s some mechanism present through which vertical overturning is essentially reduced to zero, and there is almost no wind present, and daytime hours are almost 100% clear w/ full insolation, while nighttime hours are almost 100% cloudy, it is impossible. The laws of thermodynamics would preclude it. Some pics of this mystical lake for you Phil... 1 1 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 @bainbridgekid is going to school you on this Phillip. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Water looks blue. Blue = cold. Right? Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentonHill Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: Water looks blue. Blue = cold. Right? Maybe it’s geothermal lollll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 minute ago, TT-SEA said: @bainbridgekid is going to school you on this Phillip. You spelled my name wrong. And I’m not worried. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Town Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Some pics of this mystical lake for you Phil... Buncha damm thermodynamics scofflaws is what we got there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, RentonHillTC said: Maybe it’s geothermal lollll Forgot about that possibility. I think it’s just as likely Tim tampered with the buoy. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil said: You spelled my name wrong. And I’m not worried. You can't win this one! The water temp will be in the low 70s when are there tomorrow. And everyone will be happily swimming. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatyorologist Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 I pissed in Lake Sammamish, sorry for all the confusion guys. My bad 1 Quote Weather stats for MBY Snowfall: -Total snowfall since joining: 50.25" -2018-19: 21" -2019-20: 2.5" -2020-21: 13" -2021-22: 8.75" -2022-23: 5.75" -2023-24*: 0.25" -Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024 -Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021 -Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019 Temperatures: -Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021 -Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021 -Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil said: Forgot about that possibility. I think it’s just as likely Tim tampered with the buoy. And somehow warmed the entire lake for everyone?! Because no one will have any issue being in the water this weekend. They will love it. They would be in the hospital if the water was in the 50s. 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 There are lakes here (much shallower than Sammamish) which are only in the mid-70s. And it’s much warmer here. Like, we’ve had upper 90s highs and mid-70s lows already. And the sun is stronger here too. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Water is wet. 1 1 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil said: There are lakes here (much shallower than Sammamish) which are only in the mid-70s. And it’s much warmer here. And the sun is stronger. Oh well. I don't have to explain it. I know it's real. So does anyone else who has been there. @Meatyorologiststop by tomorrow and we will pick you up at the launch and get you drunk. 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MV_snow Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 My lake can beat up your lake. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Oh well. I don't have to explain it. I know it's real. So does anyone else who has been there. @Meatyorologiststop by tomorrow and we will pick you up at the launch and get you drunk. Hard to explain something that isn’t real. Actual water temp is more like 64-65°F. That’s my wager. Or maybe it really is the most stable, poorly mixed lake in the country, and there’s a thin layer of crazy warm water sitting above frigid deep water. I mean, it’s possible…I guess? Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatyorologist Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: OK Phil. Argue all you want. It always great swimming there. And will be tomorrow. I know what 70 degree water feels like. And we don't swim in cold water. Ask @bainbridgekid It's best lake in the state for boating and water activities. Are we just going to skim over this??? This is the most eastside thing I've ever heard lmao. Lake Chelan, probably the best lake in the PNW. Crystal clear, super clean, easily accessible. Refreshing but not cold from Jun-Sep. Weather is almost always gorgeous. Extremely huge. But sure, while I'm jerking my leg free from milfoil in superheated urban runoff, I'll be sure to thank my lucky stars that I'm swimming in Lake Sammamish and not Lake Chelan, the clearly inferior lake 2 1 Quote Weather stats for MBY Snowfall: -Total snowfall since joining: 50.25" -2018-19: 21" -2019-20: 2.5" -2020-21: 13" -2021-22: 8.75" -2022-23: 5.75" -2023-24*: 0.25" -Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024 -Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021 -Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019 Temperatures: -Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021 -Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021 -Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Make it stop. 5 1 Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatyorologist Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 First person to make the Lakewater Preferences thread gets to drink with Tim tomorrow! 1 2 Quote Weather stats for MBY Snowfall: -Total snowfall since joining: 50.25" -2018-19: 21" -2019-20: 2.5" -2020-21: 13" -2021-22: 8.75" -2022-23: 5.75" -2023-24*: 0.25" -Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024 -Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021 -Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019 Temperatures: -Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021 -Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021 -Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 I loved Lake Chelan. I was 8yrs old but can still remember it like it was yesterday. Was one of my favorite childhood trips. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said: Are we just going to skim over this??? This is the most eastside thing I've ever heard lmao. Lake Chelan, probably the best lake in the PNW. Crystal clear, super clean, easily accessible. Refreshing but not cold from Jun-Sep. Weather is almost always gorgeous. Extremely huge. But sure, while I'm jerking my leg free from milfoil in superheated urban runoff, I'll be sure to thank my lucky stars that I'm swimming in Lake Sammamish and not Lake Chelan, the clearly inferior lake Lake Sammamish rocks! It's not super heated run off and you know it. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Phil said: Hard to explain something that isn’t real. Actual water temp is more like 64-65°F. That’s my wager. Cut it off 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Town Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, TT-SEA said: Snoqualmie Falls Brewery and restaurant in downtown Snoqualmie. Pizza and IPAs in the warm sun right on the river. This looks awesome. Is it fairly new? When we lived in Maple Valley we liked to go to Cole Street Brewery in Enumclaw. This would be more or less the same distance in the opposite direction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Phil said: Hard to explain something that isn’t real. Actual water temp is more like 64-65°F. That’s my wager. Or maybe it really is the most stable, poorly mixed lake in the country, and there’s a thin layer of crazy warm water sitting above frigid deep water. I mean, it’s possible…I guess? Don't know. Pretty strange that I have had two depth finders agree perfectly with the lake buoy for years. Really strange indeed. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatyorologist Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, GHweatherChris said: Cut it off He won the bet though 1 Quote Weather stats for MBY Snowfall: -Total snowfall since joining: 50.25" -2018-19: 21" -2019-20: 2.5" -2020-21: 13" -2021-22: 8.75" -2022-23: 5.75" -2023-24*: 0.25" -Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024 -Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021 -Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019 Temperatures: -Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021 -Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021 -Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 minute ago, T-Town said: This looks awesome. Is it fairly new? When we lived in Maple Valley we liked to go to Cole Street Brewery in Enumclaw. This would be more or less the same distance in the opposite direction. 4 or 5 years... they keep improving it every year. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, Meatyorologist said: He won the bet though He did... I am so glad he did not have to mutilate himself and it's better weather outcome too. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatyorologist Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 1 Quote Weather stats for MBY Snowfall: -Total snowfall since joining: 50.25" -2018-19: 21" -2019-20: 2.5" -2020-21: 13" -2021-22: 8.75" -2022-23: 5.75" -2023-24*: 0.25" -Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024 -Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021 -Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019 Temperatures: -Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021 -Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021 -Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said: He won the bet though Not the newest wager yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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