IbrChris Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Not very often you see a high of 45 at SEA and 30 at PDX on the same day. 1 Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Welcome back I'll try to post most says. I'm still pretty sour, but getting a little bit better. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Not very often you see a high of 45 at SEA and 30 at PDX on the same day.Quite sad really. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Not very often you see a high of 45 at SEA and 30 at PDX on the same day. January 6th and 7th, 1979 are good analogs. https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KPDX/1979/1/14/MonthlyCalendar.html?req_city=Portland%20International&req_state=WA&reqdb.zip=98661&reqdb.magic=5&reqdb.wmo=99999#calendar https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSEA/1979/1/14/MonthlyCalendar.html?req_city=Portland%20International&req_state=WA&reqdb.zip=98661&reqdb.magic=5&reqdb.wmo=99999#calendar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Not very often you see a high of 45 at SEA and 30 at PDX on the same day. The cold is getting very shallow to say the least. Portland and the Willamette Valley can be amazing with snow on the ground and weak offshore flow. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I'll try to post most says. I'm still pretty sour, but getting a little bit better.Dude, stay. This place is boring without you. 3 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I'll try to post most says. I'm still pretty sour, but getting a little bit better. Just keep away from the valium. I didn't like hearing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Quite sad really. Well...it's not like it hasn't been cold here to. I have no gripe about that. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Well...it's not like it hasn't been cold here to. I have no gripe about that. It's been an old school pattern. I know you have more perspective to appreciate that than many. Happ posted a great chart of the water year to date in California on their sub-thread and it really underscores the classic suppressed jet we have seen this winter. It is pure bad luck that your area hasn't scored yet, and I really feel for you. Luckily, with the repeating theme we have been seeing since early December, I would say your chances for something significant over the next four weeks are about as elevated as they can be looking that far out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just keep away from the valium. I didn't like hearing that. It's actually Klonopin. Just need it once in a while. It has gotten to the point I won't be able to enjoy a snow event until it's actually going and the radar shows it continuing. I just get so worked up knowing it will find some way to screw us. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I'll try to post most says. I'm still pretty sour, but getting a little bit better.Gotta stay within the bounds of your climate. Storms like Tuesday's are gifts, not an inevitability in our little part of the world. That is unless you pick your spot very carefully. It's sad to hear you going through such anguish over it, no one deserves that. But there are some things you can do analytically to keep expectations in check. Harder the fall... 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 It's been an old school pattern. I know you have more perspective to appreciate that than many. Happ posted a great chart of the water year to date in California on their sub-thread and it really underscores the classic suppressed jet we have seen this winter. It is pure bad luck that your area hasn't scored yet, and I really feel for you. Luckily, with the repeating theme we have been seeing since early December, I would say your chances for something significant over the next four weeks are about as elevated as they can be looking that far out. I just hope all of the cold and blocking this winter is for real and we see it somewhat regularly like we used to. Maybe even have 2 or 3 good winters in a row sometimes. Just unreal to look at Januaries from 1969 and before compared to recent years. Cold waves as deep or deeper than this used to happen twice and sometimes three times a decade in the month of January. If dropping solar activity is the cause we should be golden. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Gotta stay within the bounds of your climate. Storms like Tuesday's are gifts, not an inevitability in our little part of the world. That is unless you pick your spot very carefully. It's sad to hear you going through such anguish over it, no one deserves that. But there are some things you can do analytically to keep expectations in check. Harder the fall... On the other hand it's not really common to have this much cold and not score at least one decent snowfall. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 I have been in the same mode. Enjoy and take in rather than overthink. Once the dust settles it will be fun to do a full analysis of the setup Tuesday night though. The perfect timing, the persistent deformation zone, the quasi-stationary "cold and dry meets cool and wet" battle ground, the convective nature of the event, the explosive frontogenesis, the thundersnow, so many aspects to wrap one's head around. It was pure winter weather porn. Definitely a top 5 snow event in my lifetime. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherfan2012 Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Yeah, and it happens quite frequently too. I remember back in February 2014, models had 3-6" forecasted here as the snow was falling. We ended up getting 18" over the next 8hrs. Then 12hrs later, the follow-up wave, modeled to dump another foot, ended up dropping 2". Boom, then bust. that was a strange snow storm for us as many of us had a foot+ from a south west wind flow direction verses our normal northeast then northwest wind flow.thanks to the air preceeding the storm was so cold.may have been one of my favorites events just from the rarity of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Great post. Its amazing to me that in 2017 forecasts can still miss a 12" snowstorm at zero hours. RPM FTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 On the other hand it's not really common to have this much cold and not score at least one decent snowfall.True, but it's situational. Going back to New Year's it was pretty clear your expectations were out of sync with reality with what was fairly underwhelming event. Without unrealistic expectations, I highly doubt your depression episodes would be was pronounced. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandExperience Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 I just hope all of the cold and blocking this winter is for real and we see it somewhat regularly like we used to. Maybe even have 2 or 3 good winters in a row sometimes. Just unreal to look at Januaries from 1969 and before compared to recent years. Cold waves as deep or deeper than this used to happen twice and sometimes three times a decade in the month of January. If dropping solar activity is the cause we should be golden. Let's hope this lack of sunspots is really having a good impact on our climate. That could be our saving grace right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Definitely a top 5 snow event in my lifetime.It'll be hard to rank. We ended up with eight inches here, which is less than during the 2008 and 2014 events, but the sunny weather following it up takes it to another level. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Is it really too much to ask for a Seahawks win and a large western Wa snowstorm?Guess so. 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 True, but it's situational. Going back to New Year's it was pretty clear your expectations were out of sync with reality with what was fairly underwhelming event. Without unrealistic expectations, I highly doubt your depression episodes would be was pronounced.Indeed. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 RPM FTW I'm guessing it did well? Its funny going back and reading what was on people's minds before the snow started. This was Mark Nelsen in his 11:30am update Tuesday: During the late evening (after 8pm), those light rain showers turn to light snow showersSome of our models are wetter, which would be a real snowstorm late tonight and Wednesday AM. 2-5″ more widespread, I think that’s less likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 It'll be hard to rank. We ended up with eight inches here, which is less than during the 2008 and 2014 events, but the sunny weather following it up takes it to another level. 2008 and this are probably #1 and 2 for me right now. The thought of getting a major snowstorm going into a cold, clear airmass never even struck me as a realistic possibility after so many years of struggling to get an inch in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 I'm guessing it did well? Its funny going back and reading what was on people's minds before the snow started. This was Mark Nelsen in his 11:30am update Tuesday: During the late evening (after 8pm), those light rain showers turn to light snow showersSome of our models are wetter, which would be a real snowstorm late tonight and Wednesday AM. 2-5″ more widespread, I think that’s less likely LOL, I'll try to dig up what its 18z run showed from Tuesday afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 LOL, I'll try to dig up what its 18z run showed from Tuesday afternoon. Oh wait, you meant the other way. Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 2008 and this are probably #1 and 2 for me right now. The thought of getting a major snowstorm going into a cold, clear airmass never even struck me as a realistic possibility after so many years of struggling to get an inch in that situation. That is indeed the magic combo. One thing I do like about this winter is how old school it has been. Even the CPC analogs have mostly been old on this. Nice to see. As you and I both know the snowfall battle between Portland and Seattle has and will continue to be a major factor around here except in the really big winters where everyone scores. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 2008 and this are probably #1 and 2 for me right now. The thought of getting a major snowstorm going into a cold, clear airmass never even struck me as a realistic possibility after so many years of struggling to get an inch in that situation.Yeah, this one probably would leap 2008 if it had been slightly more prolonged and a bit colder during the event. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Yeah, this one probably would leap 2008 if it had been slightly more prolonged and a bit colder during the event.So funny what a few miles makes...2008 I had 34" of snow and a low of zero and that event lasted a good 3 weeks. No snow at all for this event and a low of 14. This doesn't even register anywhere close to 2008 up here. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 That is indeed the magic combo. One thing I do like about this winter is how old school it has been. Even the CPC analogs have mostly been old on this. Nice to see. As you and I both know the snowfall battle between Portland and Seattle has and will continue to be a major factor around here except in the really big winters where everyone scores. It'd be nice to see one event this winter where both cities score, or at least a pattern like February 1990 where Portland gets nailed with one storm and Seattle gets nailed with another. The two are on pretty equal terms historically with regards to snowfall in the urban cores, so I expect things will even out again at some point in the not too distant future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 True, but it's situational. Going back to New Year's it was pretty clear your expectations were out of sync with reality with what was fairly underwhelming event. Without unrealistic expectations, I highly doubt your depression episodes would be was pronounced. I was probably a bit desperate on that one, although SEA did manage to pick up 3 inches with it. That zone could have just as easily been down here. All in all less extensive than I had hoped though. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Yeah, this one probably would leap 2008 if it had been slightly more prolonged and a bit colder during the event. At the same time though I kinda dug the heavier, wetter snowfall rates that we had during this storm and I really enjoyed the fact that we avoided any of the ZR funny business that plagued the 2008 event. It's a close call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 So funny what a few miles makes...2008 I had 34" of snow and a low of zero and that event lasted a good 3 weeks. No snow at all for this event and a low of 14. This doesn't even register anywhere close to 2008 up here.Definitely. We rolled a bunch of sevens in a row with this one. 2008 was obviously much more of a shotgun blast. 2 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 At the same time though I kinda dug the heavier, wetter snowfall rates that we had during this storm and I really enjoyed the fact that we avoided any of the ZR funny business that plagued the 2008 event. It's a close call. Its very close. I'm tempted to go with December 2008, just because the south Metro where I lived at the time got 20" in 10 days. That's special in a completely different way from getting a well-placed snowband for one night. We also squeezed in two sunny days with snowcover (15th and 16th) to compete a little better with this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 I was probably a bit desperate on that one, although SEA did manage to pick up 3 inches with it. That zone could have just as easily been down here. All in all less extensive than I had hoped though.You definitely had a chance, but it was becoming clear the setup didn't have much teeth to it. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 At the same time though I kinda dug the heavier, wetter snowfall rates that we had during this storm and I really enjoyed the fact that we avoided any of the ZR funny business that plagued the 2008 event. It's a close call. Looking from the outside I would clearly take this over Dec 2008. Breaking a record Jan 1950 is worth a few points right off the bat. So many clear and cold days after the snow and the fact you had two separate snow events during this event. And of course bonus points for being January. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Its very close. I'm tempted to go with December 2008, just because the south Metro where I lived at the time got 20" in 10 days. That's special in a completely different way from getting a well-placed snowband for one night. We also squeezed in two sunny days with snowcover (15th and 16th) to compete a little better with this week. No such luck up here of course. The timing of it was perfect though, watching it dump snow on Christmas morning on top of the foot that's already on the ground is always going to be difficult to top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Looking from the outside I would clearly take this over Dec 2008. Breaking a record Jan 1950 is worth a few points right off the bat. So many clear and cold days after the snow and the fact you had two separate snow events during this event. And of course bonus points for being January.I'd take snow at Christmas over January snow hands down. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Oh wait, you meant the other way. Haha.The colored contour map showed nothing for pdx and about 1-2" above 1000'. Txt output on that 18z day of showed maybe .5" at pdx. It was more bullish 3 days out though. The nam para did well for my location, but it has been bullish all winter so a broken clock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 The colored contour map showed nothing for pdx and about 1-2" above 1000'. Txt output on that 18z day of showed maybe .5" at pdx. It was more bullish 3 days out though. The nam para did well for my location, but it has been bullish all winter so a broken clock... Yeah, that's bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 that was a strange snow storm for us as many of us had a foot+ from a south west wind flow direction verses our normal northeast then northwest wind flow.thanks to the air preceeding the storm was so cold.may have been one of my favorites events just from the rarity of it.Same, some of the most insane rates I've ever seen during the peak hours that night, though that SE flow was a double edged sword as we lost the mid-levels right after sunrise. Radar registered one of those bands at like 70dbz, which I think is the one that dumped that 6"/hr stuff. The flip to sleet/zr thereafter was depressing, though. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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