Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Tom, would that change anything for me in west central MOOh ya, most definitely...S MW/Lower Lakes/OV peeps need to keep a close eye on how it develops... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowshoe Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 The mesoscale models, perhaps not surprising, have some real differences in the amount and placement of the snow band across MN and WI. Quote WISCONSIN RAPIDS Wisconsin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 12z GFS colder a tad stronger with the lead wave and has it snowing across C IA/E NE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 The mesoscale models, perhaps not surprising, have some real differences in the amount and placement of the snow band across MN and WI.Agree, but this set up could provide some meso scale banding due to an inverted trough-like feature... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 12z GFS not to enthusiastic and more of a sheared wave... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 12z GFS not to enthusiastic and more of a sheared wave...Probably has a lot to do with the slight reintensifcation of the lead wave, but I dunno. Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Probably has a lot to do with the slight reintensifcation of the lead wave, but I dunno.At 500mb it looked a tad stronger and slower to kick out than previous runs...trend has been thus far at slower ejection out of the SW. Need this to strengthen quicker to become something appreciable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 A bit of difference at hr72 on the Canadian compared to the GFS. Slower ejection and a bit stronger, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 A bit of difference at hr72 on the Canadian compared to the GFS. Slower ejection and a bit stronger,It seems to have been the only model early on advertising slower ejection....its just been taking a southerly route for any of us to cash in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 12z GGEM...getting close...but no cigar yet, but I've noticed its hanging back this piece of energy like the Euro/Euro Control have for Christmas Eve/Day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 GEM is getting closer for us back to the west but it continues to show snow for Christmas so that is a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 GEM is getting closer for us back to the west but it continues to show snow for Christmas so that is a bonus.I'll take whatever and whichever way we can get it to snow and make it festive! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Good I'll take whatever and whichever way we can get it to snow and make it festive!Good luck, Tom. I admire your willingness to stick with this thing. It certainly didn’t turn out to be the gift many of us were hoping for. But hey look, another 150 hour storm on the new GFS and GEM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 GoodGood luck, Tom. I admire your willingness to stick with this thing. It certainly didn’t turn out to be the gift many of us were hoping for. But hey look, another 150 hour storm on the new GFS and GEM.Its unfortunate, but what can you do about it??? Just look forward and not back...still, If it does produce anything for some on here it just adds to their holiday festivities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Weekend bears watching. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 @ Tom "12z GGEM...getting close...but no cigar yet, but I've noticed its hanging back this piece of energy like the Euro/Euro Control have for Christmas Eve/Day..." Some show a Clipper or w/e, but I really wanted to see those two come together and make something memorable. Can it still happen? Can that first piece slow down enough so the 2nd catches it?? Yesterday's runs had that happening, but like I said b4, it happens too late for us and NE Canada gets another bomb..we get bitter winds on the backside.. Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Its unfortunate, but what can you do about it??? Just look forward and not back...still, If it does produce anything for some on here it just adds to their holiday festivities.Yep, you can’t do anything about it. You deal with Ma Nature’s shenanigans and you move on. Onward and upward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Well, if that 28th-ish storm is f'real, that means the impending Arctic push is more hit-n-run. Gonna make IWX's 6 day long SWS look kinda falsely apocolyptic imho.. Edit- either that, or it hits, holds, and pushes that storm way south and the GFS just hasn't a clue yet?? Could see that tbh. I've maintained for some time that OHV down to the OH River is way overdue a severe winter and this one may just have it's eye on that region for ground-zero of worst departures from avg Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 12z Ukie with some changes...tracks farther west... http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ukmet_amer_12/P1_GZ_D5_PN_060_0000.gif http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ukmet_amer_12/P1_GZ_D5_PN_072_0000.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajohn Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I think for the year I have maybe 5" thus far and I think I am being generous with that total... I cant remember in my lifetime a year like this for these parts. And looking at the next 11 days or so don't see much that would increase that total....CRAZY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 12z Ukie with some changes...tracks farther west... http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ukmet_amer_12/P1_GZ_D5_PN_060_0000.gif http://img.meteocentre.com/models/ukmet_amer_12/P1_GZ_D5_PN_072_0000.gifAlso showing the Christmas wave developing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I think for the year I have maybe 5" thus far and I think I am being generous with that total... I cant remember in my lifetime a year like this for these parts. And looking at the next 11 days or so don't see much that would increase that total....CRAZY!!!I've been keeping track and am a little over 2" for the season. I think things are looking up in the future. Hopefully it works out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 @ Tom "12z GGEM...getting close...but no cigar yet, but I've noticed its hanging back this piece of energy like the Euro/Euro Control have for Christmas Eve/Day..." Some show a Clipper or w/e, but I really wanted to see those two come together and make something memorable. Can it still happen? Can that first piece slow down enough so the 2nd catches it?? Yesterday's runs had that happening, but like I said b4, it happens too late for us and NE Canada gets another bomb..we get bitter winds on the backside..Good summation. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 The Euro is giving me about 2-3 inches of snow on Christmas Eve that's new! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig-OmahaWX Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 new NAM coming in with freezing drizzle and a better band of snow on the backside Quote 2018-2019 Snowfall Totals So Far : 59.5" For More Winter Weather Forecasts for 2017-2018 : https://www.facebook.com/snowdayweather/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 what the heck is going on with this thing? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 johndee.com/forecasts/forecast-text/ that nam map looks like johns forecast....maybe some hope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 This thing is all over the place. Models are sucking badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Were the cities supposed to get snow today? What is that wave from or is that part of this system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Were the cities supposed to get snow today? What is that wave from or is that part of this system?. There was a 20% chance of snow today here. The snow took me by surprise. Was intense for a while. Really wasn’t supposed to snow until tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 RGEM trying to hit the twin cities vicinity with snow yet. http://maps3.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/rgem/2017122018/048/snku_acc.us_mw.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 MPX basically admitted the have no flippin’ idea if it will snow or not. Could see 0-4” anywhere from the Cities to I-90. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 RGEM trying to hit the twin cities vicinity with snow yet. http://maps3.pivotalweather.com/maps/models/rgem/2017122018/048/snku_acc.us_mw.pngHighway 20 special for IA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubuque473 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 I will take the Highway 20 1.4" Special and be glad about it. Horrible winter so far, snowfall wise. Quote Dubuque 2007-2008 Winter 78.1" Total snowfall February Snowfall 32.5" City salt usage : 12,211 tons Days of measurable snow : 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Map speaks for itself. I get some crappy mix. Next week if it even happens looks to be 70% ZR. Christmas has no agreement from globals. Not sure what I'd post tbh? 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Here's a post, lol. Can we return to my Clipper pattern soon? Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Here's a post, lol. Can we return to my Clipper pattern soon?No. 1 Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 00z NAM trying to spit out accumulating snow down in OK where are lone member is located. That'll be something if he can score some snow out of this while we struggle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Here's a post, lol. Can we return to my Clipper pattern soon? I sure would like too. 1 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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