Tom Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Can you imagine if the solar minimum, year's down the road, may produce a dramatic effect on our global weather patterns and shift the norms of the north 100's of miles south? If so, Chicago just experienced what is normal for Intl' Falls, MN. Keep that in the back your mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 After today's 40's, the next 6 days look wonderful, esp in a Spring where sunshine has been hard to come by and 50's/60's have been a struggle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 As the sun begins to break above the horizon, shedding daylight across the sky, today should be the last day this season where I wake up in the morning to see snow OTG. Looks like a coating of snow fell last night producing another wintry scene in late April. It's time to say good bye to Ol' Man Winter and welcome Spring. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 As much as I hate to say it, Winter is gone for good. I'm shifting my patio to "Summer mode" today, bring in my firewood rack and water glass and bringing out the chair and plant pots. 4 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacsh Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Actually excited to spend the weekend in my yard. Few weeks late, but looking forward to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 After 18 days in April the current mean temperature here in Grand Rapids is a cold 34.2° that is -11.4° below average. There now has been 6” of snow fall this April. And the seasons total is now at 77..4”At this point April has been one of the coldest in the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes area. As of April 17th, here is how Detroit, Flint and Saginaw rank for the first 17 days.Detroit 38.2° (normal average 47.0°). this ranks as the 3rd coldest first 17 days of April at Detroit. Flint 34.3° (the normal average as of April 17th is 44.1°) this April ranks as Flints 2nd coldest first 17 days. Saginaw, The first 17 days have an average this year of 33.6° (the normal average is 43.7°) this has been the coldest first 17 days or April in Saginaw history.https://www.weather.gov/dtx/weatherstory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEJeremy Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Always interesting to see what else is going on in the world outside of our “little neighborhood”. Where’s all the sea ice?! 5th warmest March on record too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Can you imagine if the solar minimum, year's down the road, may produce a dramatic effect on our global weather patterns and shift the norms of the north 100's of miles south? If so, Chicago just experienced what is normal for Intl' Falls, MN. Keep that in the back your mind. Where the h*ll's AGW when you need it?? Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Actually excited to spend the weekend in my yard. Few weeks late, but looking forward to it. 'bout damned time! Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Sunshine and clouds w temps in the 40s. Nice stretch of weather coming and a warm-up, finally. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Bare trees still around. Hopefully, that will change soon and May will enter w flowers and leaves. My grass is getting greener and greener. Have not yet turned on my Sprinklers, if you can believe that. Will soon though. Weather has to get a lot betta. 1 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 After 18 days in April the current mean temperature here in Grand Rapids is a cold 34.2° that is -11.4° below average. There now has been 6” of snow fall this April. And the seasons total is now at 77..4”At this point April has been one of the coldest in the Upper Midwest and Great Lakes area. As of April 17th, here is how Detroit, Flint and Saginaw rank for the first 17 days.Detroit 38.2° (normal average 47.0°). this ranks as the 3rd coldest first 17 days of April at Detroit. Flint 34.3° (the normal average as of April 17th is 44.1°) this April ranks as Flints 2nd coldest first 17 days. Saginaw, The first 17 days have an average this year of 33.6° (the normal average is 43.7°) this has been the coldest first 17 days or April in Saginaw history.https://www.weather.gov/dtx/weatherstory And the snowiest April for almost every locale across NMI. 1975 and 1982 treated SMI to the cold April snowstorms. A tri-fecta was not had.. Petoskey by 15" Impressive! 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 During this cold Spring, interestingly enough, Arctic sea ice by volume has increased significantly since March 1st and is holding steady near normal. A lot higher this period in time compared to the last 2 years. I'm very curious to see where we end up through this summer season. http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icethickness/images/FullSize_CICE_combine_thick_SM_EN_20180418.png 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Always interesting to see what else is going on in the world outside of our “little neighborhood”. Where’s all the sea ice?! 5th warmest March on record too.Yup! Good thing we're close to the end of this warm period. The solar minimum couldn't come fast enough! Let's build that ice back up! Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 After one more cold night tonight, well down into the 20s, winter is FINALLY over. Models are showing nothing but 50s and 60s, with a chance of a couple low 70s, through the extended, with all morning lows above freezing. It's time to uncover my non-hardy hummer plants, get the stone bird bath out, plant beets, and then hit the garden centers for this year's tender annuals at the end of the month. Thank god we've turned the corner. 2 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 The GFS looks glorious through the end of next week 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacsh Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Meanwhile, Europe is sizzling hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEJeremy Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Meanwhile, Europe is sizzling hot. Remember if we're(the northern part of the US) is cold, than it doesn't matter whether the rest of the planet is hot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Remember if we're(the northern part of the US) is cold, than it doesn't matter whether the rest of the planet is hot Didn't you say that local observations at the present time shouldn't be used in any AGW argument, for or against? Cuz I agreed with you there. I guess when it's well above average in Europe that's off the table. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEJeremy Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Didn't you say that local observations at the present time shouldn't be used in any AGW argument, for or against? Cuz I agreed with you there. I guess when it's well above average in Europe that's off the table.Sorry if I wasn't being very clear. He was the one that said Europe is sizzling. I quoted him, but in my statement I said the "rest of the planet". He gave one specific example presumably suggesting that not everywhere is cold like us, while I said the planet, and was trying to reference the fact the Earth just had the 5th hottest March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Sorry if I wasn't being very clear. He was the one that said Europe is sizzling. I quoted him, but in my statement I said the "rest of the planet". He gave one specific example presumably suggesting that not everywhere is cold like us, while I said the planet, and was trying to reference the fact the Earth just had the 5th hottest March.Why are you trying to talk politics in this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Why are you trying to talk politics in this thread?Politics??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Politics???Global warming is a political topic, yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Global warming is a political topic, yesif u make it one sure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEJeremy Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 I simply posted an image showing the weather highlights around the globe from the month of March and noted it was the 5th warmest and sea ice was way below average again.Seems no different than other people talking about the solar minimum, warming ending, ice age coming, and the jokes or cracks made about AGW, as happens all the time in the threads. Nothing political mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacsh Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Global warming is a political topic, yesIt shouldn't be, but people can make anything political. I was simply pointing out that Europe was sizzling and we were stuck in the cold and I envy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacsh Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 April sun doing some work out there. Forecast high of 46 and currently at 53. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Wow. Beating my grid-cast by 8 degs under sunshine! May this continue, ad nausea-um 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Why are you trying to talk politics in this thread?No need to start something in here. Just because it's a disagreeable topic and it's for some reason divided by party lines out in the real world doesn't mean it has to be political in here. This is a weather forum. Climate has an effect on our weather. I personally don't believe in AGW, or at least that it's prevalent to the extent that we need to worry about it. Many people disagree with me. There's smart people on both sides of the argument. I feel like this is something we can civilly discuss. 1 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Monday's Euro weekly run was showing a pretty persistent Western trough throughout May. I'd pay money to get that. This will be my third severe weather season here & the past two it didn't feel like I lived in tornado alley. 1 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig-OmahaWX Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 Monday's Euro weekly run was showing a pretty persistent Western trough throughout May. I'd pay money to get that. This will be my third severe weather season here & the past two it didn't feel like I lived in tornado alley.It's been that way for more then 2 years lol. But yes I'm hoping for that too. Quote 2018-2019 Snowfall Totals So Far : 59.5" For More Winter Weather Forecasts for 2017-2018 : https://www.facebook.com/snowdayweather/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 CPC's May outlook... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/long_range/lead14/off14_temp.gif http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/long_range/lead14/off14_prcp.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted April 19, 2018 Report Share Posted April 19, 2018 It's quite possible last night or tonight will end up being our last freeze. No below freezing tenps in the near future & by then we're in May and in may it takes a more-than-decent cold snap to bring below freezing temps. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Always a little sad when we transition out of winter storm mode. I thought the discussions were tremendous. I come here to learn from extremely smart people. I have told my wife that some on here have missed their calling and could have been meteorologists. Thanks again for the insights. Now let’s look forward to an exciting and safe severe weather season. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Gorgeous evening outside. Not a cloud to be found. Temp in the 30s and dropping in the 20s. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig-OmahaWX Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Nice days are hard to come by without wind, today was our lucky day. High of 58 but still below avg Quote 2018-2019 Snowfall Totals So Far : 59.5" For More Winter Weather Forecasts for 2017-2018 : https://www.facebook.com/snowdayweather/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Doesn't it feel like its been a longgg battle with Winter??? This has been a crazy season and I'm thrilled to finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. The warming trend begins today and lasts through next week. Finally! Glad the weather is cooperating for my cousins wedding this weekend so that should be a fun time. Polish weddings are a bit nutty....meanwhile, in other news, I heard that OK may be setting a record later next week (27th) for the latest date of zero confirmed tornado's for the entire state to start off the year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Guess what model was a step ahead of the rest??? The CFSv2 had a jump on the wetter pattern next month and lead the pack suggesting a wetter pattern down in the southern Plains. This is a big deal as we head into the summer. Here was the Euro Weeklies run from yesterday suggesting a very dry pattern for the northern 1/2 of the sub forum and quite wet down south. This should put out what wild fires are smoking down in OK/TX. Severe wx season may still continue to be on hiatus across the central Plains/MW region. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 Stayed above freezing. Unless another major cold wave comes, I just don't see us having another below-freezing reading. Therefore, April 19 will likely go down as our last freeze, which is four days before our average last freeze of April 23. 38.3*F. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted April 20, 2018 Report Share Posted April 20, 2018 All readings are for Grand Rapids, MIWill we see our first 70° next week? Over the last 40 years the average first 70° is March 30th In the time there have only been 3 years when the first 70° day came after April 20th (today’s date) they are 4/27/2013 when the high reached 71° and the next 3 days came in at 64°,73° and 78° in 1984 the first date was not until 4/26 when the high reach 83° with highs reaching 78 and 70 after that. And in 1993 when the first date was April 24th when the high reach 73° a reading of 71 came a few days later. Going back further for 70 years the average first 70° day is April 2nd Since 1948 the years that did not reach 70 on or before April 20th are 1. 1950 May 3rd 2. 1951 April 30th 3. 1970 April 25th 4. 1975 April 29th 5. 1984 April 26th 6. 1993 April 24th 7. 2013 April 27th so in the last 70 years there have only been 7 Aprils that did not reach 70° or more by today. Note that May 3rd 1950 is the latest first 70° day in Grand Rapids history. The last time it has been 70 or better here in Grand Rapids was October 22 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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