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3 minutes ago, Gradient Keeper said:

True it would be. Many more model runs to go before this is locked in and it could easily shift south like the GFS did with the previous Snowy event. The best is yet to come just before Christmas.

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I don't care where it tracks I would just like to see it be a little more progressive. Unfortunately if it just spins out there like that it's not going to pull cold air in behind the departing low. Though it does look like the GFS tries to bring some chilly air in east of the Cascades, not like its warm, but more of the same old BS. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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Not sure if posted...NWS SEA 2pm discussion.

 

.LONG TERM /SATURDAY THROUGH TUESDAY/...A cold upper trough will
move through the area Friday night and Saturday with a frontal
wave bringing an enhanced period of precipitation. Snow levels
will be low and heavier precipitation rates could drive them down
to near sea level. Low level flow will also turn northerly with
some Fraser River leakage. In other words, it looks like lowland
snow is possible again. Generally speaking, ensembles show up to
an inch or two for most areas as the most likely scenario but
there is a good amount of uncertainty with a few members showing
several inches. The best chances for heavy accumulations are over
the Kitsap peninsula and Hood Canal area. The period of main
concern is later Friday night and Saturday morning.
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28 minutes ago, Terreboner said:

Ya, makes sense.  The models probably view the whole area as foothills with no marine influence, nor any rain shadowing due to the higher elevation of the coast range down there.

Being a pretty small rainshadow pocket, not hard to see why models sometimes struggle with it. It is an area where annual rainfall and shadowing can vary drastically over short distances.

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1 minute ago, Omegaraptor said:

Being a pretty small rainshadow pocket, not hard to see why models sometimes struggle with it. It is an area where annual rainfall and shadowing can vary drastically over short distances.

At least it tries to show some shadowing in the Rogue Valley. The Shasta Valley, which is even drier, almost isn't even there.

One of my wife's uncles lives in Weed. Pretty arid there. Her other uncle lives between Weed and Shasta City, just to the SW of Black Butte. It's like a different world. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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The ICON, GFS, and GEM all more or less agree now. The big winner looks to be NORCAL. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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This run could turn into another fake cold extravaganza. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Down to 32 now under mostly clear skies, nice to get another freeze in. 6/6 on the month now. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

One of my wife's uncles lives in Weed. Pretty arid there. Her other uncle lives between Weed and Shasta City, just to the SW of Black Butte. It's like a different world. 

Driving I-5 north between Dunsmuir and Weed you lose 2-3" of annual precip per mile. Interesting how sharply it goes from trees to Moses Lake vegetation just north of Weed. Kinda similar to that spot on I-90 between Cle Elum and Ellensburg.

Also interesting how between Ashland and Siskiyou Summit for a few miles the vegetation actually looks like somewhere farther north, with lusher, denser forest and iirc, Douglas Firs being the most common tree. South of Siskiyou Summit it switches over to ponderosa pine and dry scrubland.

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My guess at face value is there would be enough of a continental component with this, to avoid the valley being completely socked in with low clouds and fog. BUT if the gradients down the valley go flat it could potentially happen. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Just now, Gradient Keeper said:

What is lying ahead for us is going to be amazing and quite possibly bitterly cold first low level cold pool/inversion, then a bitter regional blast. WOW

Pretty good agreement among models for a great pattern mid-December! 2008 again please!

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