January 2024 Weather in the PNW (Part I)

[High Desert Mat?]

Rug pull starts tonight, goes on through 12z runs tomorrow and then starts to slowly bring it back to about 50% of what it is right now. Just a hunch. If we’re going to get a rug it might as well be shaggy. 

[LowerGarfield]

7 minutes ago, PrideOfPrineville said:

Interesting.  I would imagine that could be fixed?

I hope so! I'm on mobile now and no locations are showing. It certainly adds a lot of context. I have both mobile and laptops but usually when the Euro runs at night it's mobile and it doesn't show. It does appear on PCs.

That's why I added my signature info which does appear. My PC profile sidebar info says I'm at 1850 ft in SE WA in the Lower Garfield and Asotin zone area. But not on mobile.

[Prairiedog]

3 hours ago, Mid Valley Duck said:

The overruning system on the GFS packs a punch

Is that a warm nose already showing up?

[PrideOfPrineville]

1 minute ago, Prairiedog said:

Is that a warm nose already showing up?

12 days out I wouldn't worry too much about warm noses.  I bet that frame changes 30 times and back between now and reality.

[CloudJunkie]

I haven't seen this mentioned but just recently the USDA re-evaluated its plant hardiness zones. Seattle got bumped up from Zone 8b to Zone 9a, which means that the expected annual low temps are between 20 and 25 degrees. I'm thinking they're gonna end up with egg on their face and will end up reverting the map next year. People in my neighborhood have been planting windmill palm trees left and right, which are supposedly a hardy palm species. But I don't think they'll survive what's coming next week!

[LowerGarfield]

1 minute ago, CloudJunkie said:

I haven't seen this mentioned but just recently the USDA re-evaluated its plant hardiness zones. Seattle got bumped up from Zone 8b to Zone 9a, which means that the expected annual low temps are between 20 and 25 degrees. I'm thinking they're gonna end up with egg on their face and will end up reverting the map next year. People in my neighborhood have been planting windmill palm trees left and right, which are supposedly a hardy palm species. But I don't think they'll survive what's coming next week!

Agreed. I'd even be hesitant to plant them in Victoria for that reason.

[SnowWillarrive]

3 minutes ago, CloudJunkie said:

I haven't seen this mentioned but just recently the USDA re-evaluated its plant hardiness zones. Seattle got bumped up from Zone 8b to Zone 9a, which means that the expected annual low temps are between 20 and 25 degrees. I'm thinking they're gonna end up with egg on their face and will end up reverting the map next year. People in my neighborhood have been planting windmill palm trees left and right, which are supposedly a hardy palm species. But I don't think they'll survive what's coming next week!

A mass die off of wind mill palms would be nice. 

[iFred]

15 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

Gonna change back to admin for the duration of this event in case the politics talk gets out of hand again or small changes need to be made to titles, pins, ect. User numbers are skyrocketing so the more help the better

[PrideOfPrineville]

Nothing from Rod Hill yet today, no Facebook post anyway.

[Meatyorologist]

2 minutes ago, iFred said:

Number one rule, no running indoors with the banhammer

[Phishy Wx]

7 minutes ago, CloudJunkie said:

I haven't seen this mentioned but just recently the USDA re-evaluated its plant hardiness zones. Seattle got bumped up from Zone 8b to Zone 9a, which means that the expected annual low temps are between 20 and 25 degrees. I'm thinking they're gonna end up with egg on their face and will end up reverting the map next year. People in my neighborhood have been planting windmill palm trees left and right, which are supposedly a hardy palm species. But I don't think they'll survive what's coming next week!

windmills can survive temps down to near 0 in small doses.  I doubt they revert back

[TigerWoodsLibido]

14 minutes ago, Prairiedog said:

Is that a warm nose already showing up?

Usual screw job for the south valley.

[RentonHill]

1 hour ago, MossMan said:

Think everyone with a smartphone knows at this point! 

It’s basically down to whether I tell the kids or not. And i absolutely do not want to over promise to that audience. 

[Prairiedog]

9 minutes ago, PrideOfPrineville said:

12 days out I wouldn't worry too much about warm noses.  I bet that frame changes 30 times and back between now and reality.

Oh you don't know where I live.  Southeast of Potland about 30 miles,  near  Estacada. They show up no regularly during these events.  The western foothills of the Cascades are notorious when we have an overriding event.  Missed out mostly on all the big snow dumps in Portland the last several years. 

[PrideOfPrineville]

1 minute ago, RentonHill said:

It’s basically down to whether I tell the kids or not. And i absolutely do not want to over promise to that audience. 

I told my dogs and cats this morning.  The dogs are more into the GFS, the cats love the Euro.  

[TigerWoodsLibido]

1 minute ago, Prairiedog said:

Oh you don't know where I live.  Southeast of Potland about 30 miles,  near  Estacada. They show up no regularly during these events.  The western foothills of the Cascades are notorious when we have an overriding event.  Missed out mostly on all the big snow dumps in Portland the last several years. 

Oh y’all get the same warm nose that hits Springfield then Sweet Home then Stayton then on up to y’all.

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

Here's my real definitely real definitely a lock definitely not joking forecast. Everywhere from Sacramento to Vancouver will get 3+' of snow, Oregon gets 5' because it's our turn, Portland will get -19 beating their all-time record by 16, spoke will get -48 beating their record by 14, Seattle will get -6, I in Sunriver will get -38. We will all stay cold and snow until February 5th, and we'll get a huge snowstorm on groundhogs day in spirt of the holiday. After Feb 5th there will be 1 large storm a week, wed-friday providing a ton of mountain snow, and the rest of the week will be sunny. This continues till early may when we all get tired of it, and then we get consistent temps in the 70s and 80s with rain every 2 weeks to prevent wildfires.

 

It's basically a lock at this point.

[LowerGarfield]

3 minutes ago, Prairiedog said:

Oh you don't know where I live.  Southeast of Potland about 30 miles,  near  Estacada. They show up no regularly during these events.  The western foothills of the Cascades are notorious when we have an overriding event.  Missed out mostly on all the big snow dumps in Portland the last several years. 

Did you get anything in Feb? Coworker lives in Estacada and did well during that event but there are so many microclimates I can definitely see how that would happen.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

I still haven’t told any family members. My wife has no idea anything might be coming.

[PrideOfPrineville]

1 minute ago, Prairiedog said:

Oh you don't know where I live.  Southeast of Potland about 30 miles,  near  Estacada. They show up no regularly during these events.  The western foothills of the Cascades are notorious when we have an overriding event.  Missed out mostly on all the big snow dumps in Portland the last several years. 

I know the area well.  Those east winds do not help ya.

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

2 minutes ago, PrideOfPrineville said:

I told my dogs and cats this morning.  The dogs are more into the GFS, the cats love the Euro.  

What gfs run are the dogs rooting for? If they're rooting for either the 12z or 18z, I'll side with the cats despite the fact I'm a dog person. If the dogs want the 00z from last night or the 06z, I'll side with the dogs.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

2 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

I still haven’t told any family members. My wife has no idea anything might be coming.

I just sent her a FB message. Jk 

[LowerGarfield]

Although it's possible my coworker may be at a higher elevation outside of town.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Mark Nelsen has something to say! 

[Prairiedog]

2 minutes ago, PrideOfPrineville said:

I know the area well.  Those east winds do not help ya.

No, they don't play nice.  There's a definite line where you go from tundra conditions to what feels like balmy in just a few miles.  It's really incredible. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

15 minutes ago, SnowWillarrive said:

A mass die off of wind mill palms would be nice. 

You palm haters are now on notice that there are lots of them doing just fine in my neighbourhood, which reached 10˚F last winter and 7˚F the winter before.

[MossMan]

30 minutes ago, RayRay said:

433 guests. O.   M.    G.

[iFred]

Just now, Rubus Leucodermis said:

You palm haters are now on notice that there are lots of them doing just fine in my neighbourhood, which reached 10˚F last winter and 7˚F the winter before.

Its almost like people forget that palms do fine in the high deserts of New Mexico, Chihuahua, and Arizona.

[PrideOfPrineville]

1 minute ago, Prairiedog said:

No, they don't play nice.  There's a definite line where you go from tundra conditions to what feels like balmy in just a few miles.  It's really incredible. 

I lived in the area, I know all too well.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

You palm haters are now on notice that there are lots of them doing just fine in my neighbourhood, which reached 10˚F last winter and 7˚F the winter before.

Let’s see when it hits -27!

[Front Ranger]

3 minutes ago, iFred said:

Its almost like people forget that palms do fine in the high deserts of New Mexico, Chihuahua, and Arizona.

Yeah, it depends on the species. High desert palms can generally do fine until around 0. 

Semi-tropical/tropical palms are usually toast if it gets below 25 or so.

[SouthHillFrosty]

#SaveThePalms

[TT-SEA]

@iFred I just got a FB message from @bainbridgekid that he can't log in.   Check message for contact info... he would love to join this discussion!  

[SilverFallsAndrew]

43/35 today. Currently 37 and cloudy.

[iFred]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

@iFred I just got a FB message from @bainbridgekid that he can't log in.   Check message for contact info... he would love to join this discussion!  

Thanks man. I’ll reach out to him.

[Phishy Wx]

3 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

Yeah, it depends on the species. High desert palms can generally do fine until around 0. 

Semi-tropical/tropical palms are usually toast if it gets below 25 or so.

we had Cabbage and Saw Palmettos back east in SC growing up.  they survived -2 in 1985, but a couple had to be pruned back after that but they came back in spring, and commonly the teens at least once or twice every winter

[Phishy Wx]

4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

@iFred I just got a FB message from @bainbridgekid that he can't log in.   Check message for contact info... he would love to join this discussion!  

probably having a similar issue to me

[TT-SEA]

19 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

I still haven’t told any family members. My wife has no idea anything might be coming.

Up here its impossible now because the media and forecasts have picked up on it.  

[Prairiedog]

11 minutes ago, PrideOfPrineville said:

I lived in the area, I know all too well.

there's that line somewhere from SE Portland, up Sunnyside to the Boring area that stays locked in.  South of there towards Carver, east to Estacada and point south suck.  Decent easterlies run along Springwater and keep the north side cold.  South of there less than a mile is radically warmer and less east wind influence.  Even at 1,200ft elevation at the the end of Springwater (Springwater community) gets much less snow than 205 north of Sunnyside.  Microclimates rule. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Up here its impossible now because the media and forecasts have picked up on it.  

Probably not in Eugene, small market, less hype. Their newscasts are real snoozers and pretty amateur.