wx_statman Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 You mean Nelson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 The majority of the smoke probably came blasting out of Jesse's ears after seeing the 18z GFS.Sort of ironic coming from a guy who probably complains about heat ten times more than I do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Smoke does inhibit radiational cooling.As far as I've always been aware it does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 As far as I've always been aware it does not.Aerosols radiate too, throughout the IR spectrum. If you have an atmosphere thick with them, the rate of radiative loss from the surface is reduced. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Aerosols radiate too. If you have an atmosphere thick with them, the rate of radiative loss from the surface is reduced.Is that why SO2 from volcanic eruptions is such an effective greenhouse gas? I'm sure it all exists along a continuum, but for all practical purposes the particles in smoke block incoming radiation moreso than they inhibit outgoing. Especially compared to say, clouds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Sort of ironic coming from a guy who probably complains about heat ten times more than I do. Touché. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I'm starting to wonder if the short wave advertised to move through Saturday could give us a mini marine push. Would be nice to break up the heat and clear the air a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Is that why SiO2 from volcanic eruptions is such an effective greenhouse gas? I'm sure it all exists along a continuum, but for all practical purposes the particles in smoke block incoming radiation moreso than they inhibit outgoing. Especially compared to say, clouds.SO^2 does act like a GHG in the stratosphere. It warms that domain significantly despite destroying O^3 via accelerated photodissociation. However, its re-radiative and reflective properties in conjunction with the curvature of the Earth leads to a cooling in the troposphere. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 I'm starting to wonder if the short wave advertised to move through Saturday could give us a mini marine push. Would be nice to break up the heat and clear the air a little.That would be unprecedented. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 The daytime cooling effects of tropospheric aerosols are greater than their warming effects. That doesn't mean they don't stunt radiational cooling as well, though. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 SO^2 does act like a GHG in the stratosphere. It warms that domain significantly despite destroying O^3 via accelerated photodissociation. However, its re-radiative and reflective properties in conjunction with the curvature of the Earth leads to a cooling in the troposphere.Fine. Sounds like we are both right, in a way. The radiational cooling inhibition prowess of the water vapor clouds we are all used to far exceed that of smoke, though. I don't think you can argue with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 The smoke is a dream scenario for Jesse. It diminishes solar radiation but doesn't inhibit radiational cooling. Asthmatics can suck it.I have noticed an increase in booger production today. Fortunately for me, boogers are delicious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Fine. Sounds like we are both right, in a way. The radiational cooling inhibition prowess of the water vapor clouds we are all used to far exceed that of smoke, though. I don't think you can argue with that.Yeah, H^2O is significantly more effective as a GHG. Then again, clouds come into the picture since they arise via H^2O. It's still the most prolific GHG, though. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 The daytime cooling effects of tropospheric aerosols are greater than their warming effects. That doesn't mean they don't stunt radiational cooling as well, though. Well of course. Just look at terrestrial planets with no atmosphere, like Mars. Extreme daytime heating AND radiational cooling!! Having anything between the radiative body and the heat source, including smoke, is obviously going to affect both incoming and outgoing. The degree which smoke inhibits solar warming versus how effectively it holds heat in is less than many things that occur in our day to day weather, though (again, clouds). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 That would be unprecedented.A lone 89 in a two week stretch of 90 or better would certainly be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Honestly, it was a pretty dang comfy 102 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Honestly, it was a pretty dang comfy 102 today.Been on the river since 2pm. Nice breeze and water is perfect. Best 102 I have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Been on the river since 2pm. Nice breeze and water is perfect. Best 102 I have had.Geriatricsingles.com fail to deliver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverIslandSouth Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 The smoke has dispersed a little around Victoria but it seems more like it dispersed through different levels of the atmosphere and there's more near the surface. Definitely more sun getting through late day today and a few parts of city were over 90F. Still 87F here at 7pm, I've got a feeling tonight is going to be a warm one, also a touch humid. Is anyone going to get free windows? Sunday looks dangerously close to surpassing the 89F mark down there, these guys sure picked the wrong year http://cliffmass.blogspot.ca/2017/07/will-you-get-free-windows-on-august-6.html, must be sweating bullets hoping for a marine push or smoke inhibition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 A lone 89 in a two week stretch of 90 or better would certainly be! Lets not ruin any more two week stretches of 90 or better, a la 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Geriatricsingles.com fail to deliver?102lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 102lbsThe very elderly are often quite thin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Lets not ruin any more two week stretches of 90 or better, a la 2015.Two week stretches of 90 or better ruin me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 The smoke has dispersed a little around Victoria but it seems more like it dispersed through different levels of the atmosphere and there's more near the surface. Definitely more sun getting through late day today and a few parts of city were over 90F. Still 87F here at 7pm, I've got a feeling tonight is going to be a warm one, also a touch humid. Is anyone going to get free windows? Sunday looks dangerously close to surpassing the 89F mark down there, these guys sure picked the wrong year http://cliffmass.blogspot.ca/2017/07/will-you-get-free-windows-on-august-6.html, must be sweating bullets hoping for a marine push or smoke inhibition.93F here today. Can barely see the hills across the lake for all the smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Two week stretches of 90 or better ruin me. It sounds rather faint, but I'm pretty sure I can hear the laughter coming from CA and AZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 It sounds rather faint, but I'm pretty sure I can hear the laughter coming from CA and AZ.There's a reason I don't live down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 There's a reason I don't live down there. Touche. Give me the PNW all day long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDuck Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 97 in Bend today. May be able to dodge 100 after all Quote Bend, ORElevation: 3550' Snow History:Nov: 1"Dec: .5"Jan: 1.9"Feb: 12.7"Mar: 1.0"Total: 17.1" 2016/2017: 70"2015/2016: 34"Average: ~25" 2017/2018 Winter TempsLowest Min: 1F on 2/23Lowest Max: 23F on 12/24, 2/22Lows <32: 87Highs <32: 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverIslandSouth Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 93F here today. Can barely see the hills across the lake for all the smoke. I can't see so much as a hint of the Olympic Mountains across the Juan de Fuca. The latest satellite shows the smoke blasting against them mostly getting funneled up the Juan de Fuca. The valley up there must be catching some of the incoming smoke. Looks a little better up toward Sproat Lake, but that may not last much longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 RECORD EVENT REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PORTLAND OREGON 533 PM PDT WED AUG 2 2017 ...MULTIPLE RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURES SET WEDNESDAY AUGUST 2 2017... LOCATION NEW OLD / YEAR ASTORIA 93 88 / 1939 HILLSBORO 105 99 / 1939 MCMINNVILLE 106 99 / 1939 PORTLAND AIRPORT 103 96 / 1986 PORTLAND DOWNTOWN 100 100 / 1939 EUGENE 102 99 / 1939 SALEM 107 102 / 1939 TROUTDALE 105 99 / 1993 HOOD RIVER 99 97 / 1952 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Surprising 7 degree spread between downtown Portland and Salem today. I'm reminded of July 23, 1927, which I brought up yesterday to highlight Salem's suspicious record highs. I was willing to dismiss Salem's 108 degree reading that day because downtown Portland was only 101. Well, here we are today...apparently a 7 degree gap is possible under the right circumstances. On 7/23/1927, Bull Run Headworks was 106 and Forest Grove was 103...similar profile to today, with warmer readings to the east and west of Portland proper, as well as south. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted August 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Nasty air quality this evening. Hasn't gotten any better. Most stations above 155. https://fortress.wa.gov/ecy/enviwa/ Wow, Puyallup coming in at 215 right now.Port Angeles at 254 Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 The area burned in BC is up to 1.15 million acres. So there is lots more smoke where this came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Nasty air quality this evening. Hasn't gotten any better. Most stations above 155. https://fortress.wa.gov/ecy/enviwa/ Wow, Puyallup coming in at 215 right now.Port Angeles at 254 Absolutely disgusting. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Kelowna looks to threaten their record dry streak. Their current record is from 2003, the year of the Okanagan firestorm. If it wasn't for 0.02" on June 28th, that record would be in the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Absolutely disgusting.You are lucky to be leaving town soon. Montana and points east look much nicer the next several days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 You are lucky to be leaving town soon. Montana and points east look much nicer the next several days. Definitely cleaner and cooler. Also very wet. I would love some sunshine and upper 70s and low 80s there but that appears to be quite optimistic. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Relief out here on the GFS after day 10. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Relief out here on the GFS after day 10. Incoming hurricane for the SE. The Atlantic might be getting ready to come to life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverIslandSouth Posted August 3, 2017 Report Share Posted August 3, 2017 Kelowna looks to threaten their record dry streak. Their current record is from 2003, the year of the Okanagan firestorm. If it wasn't for 0.02" on June 28th, that record would be in the bag. The 0z GFS and GEM continue the heat until at least late next week. Probably means more offshore flow and smoke. Even in the longer range when the GFS has it cooling off it still flirts with bouts of offshore flow. We need a good drenching right now to clear the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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