westMJim Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Here at my house I received 1.7” of new snow overnight and now have a depth of 9” on the ground. . At this time light snow is falling and the temperature is 13°. As of yesterday, Grand Rapids departure for this month is now at -3.2° and at the airport 28.4” of snow has fallen this month so far. And for the season so far the total is now at 29.0” At Muskegon the departure is -2.5° and they have reported 31.6” of snow fall this month and now have a reported 11” on the ground. Over in central Michigan Lansing departure is -2.9° and so far they have had 16.4” of snow this month.Here are the departures and December snow fall totals on the east side of Michigan Detroit -2.3° snow Dec snow fall 21.6” Flint -3.4° snow fall 22.0” Saginaw -2.6° snow fall 12.4” Up north Alpena -3.3° December snow fall 13.7” The Sault -4.2° 39.9” Marquette -3.7° 30.9” The one location that is a surprise to me is Marquette with only 30.9” so far this month and they only have 6” on the ground there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Climatology for today December 29th At Grand Rapids, MI The average H/L is 32/20The record high is 65° set in 1984 the coldest maximum is 10 set in 1976The record low is -4° set in 1909 the warmest minimum is 38° set om 1992The most snow fall is 5.3” in 1980The most on the ground is 14” in 1976Last year the H/L was 38/30 0.8” of snow fell and a trace was on the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Snow hole over SD is getting filled in as we speak. We should have an expansive snow cover after today which bodes well as we roll into Jan. The minimal snow pack across N IA and N IL will also deepen and help us going forward to keep the cold around. http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/snow_model/images/full/National/nsm_depth/201712/nsm_depth_2017122905_National.jpg Maybe it's the low-moisture content of our snow pack, but this map has shown us quite a bit lower than reality. Been waiting for it to correct, but it still hasn't. I have at least 5-6" depth in Marshall with the overnight snow. I'd say this area in red should be in the 4-10" shading, not the 2-4" shading it shows. Just an observation. Normally I've found this map pretty accurate across SWMI. First time I can remember not being able to say that. 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Still some light snow falling and about to end. Picked up almost near an inch. Now, the Arctic Express roars on in. Btw: my coldest temp thus far this month has been -15.6F. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Still some light snow falling and about to end. Picked up almost near an inch. Now, the Arctic Express roars on in. Btw: my coldest temp thus far this month has been -15.6F. What u talkin bout homey?? We got more snow coming before the cold re-enforcement arrives.. 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 . Good Lowdy! d**n, that’s down right brutal. How do you even handle that? I guess your not going to play some ice hockey on your rink anytime soon.You have to embrace it, otherwise you’ll be miserable. My mom wanted to fly back to Phoenix a day early because she couldn’t take it anymore earlier this week. Ha! I’m hoping to get out on the rink this weekend actually. I’ve got a fire pit down by the lake to keep me warm. It’s all good. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 What u talkin bout homey?? We got more snow coming before the cold re-enforcement arrives.. WOW...thought that was going to pass to the south of us. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Some models continue to suggest a good set up for LES potential this weekend, however, details this far out are not wise to jump on one solution. If trends continue throughout the day, I'll start a separate thread for this potential. I'll be out all day and won't be posting much until later in the evening. Enjoy the snow today! LOT's take... Lake effect snow set up looks very good late Saturday night overcentral portions of the lake and then extending across the southernpart of the lake Sunday into Sunday evening. Various models havebeen showing a meso low developing over the southern end of the lakefor the past week...in varying degrees of strength and placement. Aband of heavy lake effect snow is likely to be moving south alongthe western side of the lake Sunday morning as shown by theconvective allowing models. Though even with the detail currentlyshown...confidence of this lake effect snow impacting northeast ILremains low. This band will shift southeast and likely impact partof northwest Indiana...most likely Porter County. Amounts will bedependent on its duration but heavy snow will certainly be possiblewherever this band moves and it should be moving east of the cwa bymid Sunday evening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Just read a tweet that this week (between Christmas Day and NYE) will be one of the coldest since 1886 in the Twin Cities. That’s good stuff! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimmesnow Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 What u talkin bout homey?? We got more snow coming before the cold re-enforcement arrives.. I hope we get something soon. If it's going to be this cold, it just takes one 6 to 12 inch storm and we've got snow for a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 At 15F, and no wind, it's actually pretty decent outside. The next few days, not so much. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Currently a balmy 19F w mostly cloudy skies. I believe the bulk of the snow should remain south of my area. Although, a few snowshowers are not outta the question. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Lighter snow on-n-off but it looks like the more serious stuff moves in by 4 pm just like yesterday. Just in time for my pm commute, lol My parking spot has a nice wind block from the raw NW winds off the lake My typical drive home.. Some quaint small towns.. ..and scenery 4 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Not sure if this includes my area..... Per NOAA: Attention will then turn to the Thumb, where developing northerlyflow with next shot of arctic air will push troughing currentlyanchored over Lake Huron southward. Convective depths in excess of10kft and low level lapse rates on the order of 8C/km suggest veryintense snowfall rates for a few hours on Saturday afternoon as themain band of convergence is pushed southward through the region.During this period, several inches of snow can be expected in somelocales. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Lighter snow on-n-off but it looks like the more serious stuff moves in by 4 pm just like yesterday. Just in time for my pm commute, lol 20171229 NWS Regional Graphic-cast for 4pm.png My parking spot has a nice wind block from the raw NW winds off the lake DSC00008.JPG My typical drive home.. DSC00014.gif Some quaint small towns.. DSC00017.JPG DSC00018.JPG ..and scenery DSC00020.JPG DSC00021.JPGNice pics dude....I waved at ya, but you didn't see me Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Nice pics dude....I waved at ya, but you didn't see me That was you??? 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 That was you??? lmaosmiley.gifYup..... Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder98 Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Brutal forecast low of 34F for International Falls in Sunday Morning and then a little "warm up" on Tuesday before another cold wave the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Lows next week are expected to get down in the -10s and even a few -20s for my area. Dang! Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 11° on my balcony right now. Tiniest flakes I have ever seen are falling right now. So tiny that you can only see them if you shine a light right at them, and radar isn't picking it up. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowawx Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 It will be a close call for my area tomorrow night. Models seem to suggest my area might get some light snow as the wave moves east and weakens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Here comes the Arctic Express! The snowy owls will feel right at home... Temps have been dropping since a midnight high of 15F at ORD. Skies are overcast with a temp of +8F, WC -10F and a gusty NW wind sustained @ 17mph. #Chiberia Even though we under-performed in the snow dept yesterday, it was just enough to fully cover the grass tips and lay down a fresh coating. I'm thankful for the new snow that fell which will aid in protecting the ground from the bitter cold. I feel for those who have bare ground and will have to endure the potential of pipes bursting in this type of cold weather. I remember a few years back it got this cold but only for a couple days and we had bare ground. Pipes were bursting everything in the city and burbs from the frozen ground. Not good. On another note, like Jaster mentioned, this cold is reminiscent to the '13-'14 cold but without the wind. The pattern that year had the actual polar vortex swing through the GL's several times and I remember how windy this feature really was. I would rather have the HP scenario we are enjoying (or not), rather than the other scenario. Another difference is the blocking this season which was lacking that year. On the topic of blocking, I will prepare a post in the Jan thread and the evolution of an active pattern just beyond the medium range. Who will cash in??? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Currently -16F on the backyard thermometer. Heading up to a balmy -7 today with a wind chill between -30 and -40F. When the Fahrenheit and Celsius numbers are identical you know it’s cold. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I recorded 2.4” of new snow last night and now have 11.2” on the ground here at my house. As of yesterday Grand Rapids is now up to 30.9” of snow this month that makes it the 2nd year in a row that December has gone over 30” Right now it is +10° with light snow falling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Climatology for today December 30th At Grand Rapids, MI The average H/L is 32/20°The record high is 60° set in 1936 the coldest maximum is 11 set in 1976The record low is -11° set in 1976 the record warmest minimum is 39° set in 1965The biggest snow fall is 7.0” in 2001The most on the ground is 14” in 1909Last year the H/L was 30/26 there was a trace of snow fall and 1” on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I recorded 2.4” of new snow last night and now have 11.2” on the ground here at my house. As of yesterday Grand Rapids is now up to 30.9” of snow this month that makes it the 2nd year in a row that December has gone over 30” Right now it is +10° with light snow falling.Making up the snow deficit in a hurry! Wow, as the skies cleared temps have dropped 4 degree's at ORD now down to +4F with some subzero readings in the NW burbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 3*, cloudy, and breezy on my balcony. Pretty Siberian outside right now. Wind chill advisory hoisted for tomorrow, warning for tomorrow night. HRRR wants to put an inch down tonight here. Would be very welcome. 2 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Big Arctic Express roaring for next week. Lows in the -10s and -20s likely for my area. Brrrrrrrrrrrr! 1 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Currently @ 12F w partly cloudy skies. A little snow fell last night, but just to the south of my area, a persistent band dropped several inches of snow. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 There's a bit of snow on the firewood I put out yesterday. Wonder when that happened. 1 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Yup im having '13-'14 flashbacks and i love it since that was favorite winter i can ever remember. Clipper train and now brutal cold. I was at -7 a while ago and it just dropped to -8.I'm also at 8.9" total snowfall so far this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Yup im having '13-'14 flashbacks and i love it since that was favorite winter i can ever remember. Clipper train and now brutal cold. I was at -7 a while ago and it just dropped to -8.I'm also at 8.9" total snowfall so far this season.My thinking is our snow deficits will be making up in a hurry in about week when the pattern turns to more excitement. Great pattern for cutters and west/east systems through at least mid month when we could foresee 2 back to back storms in the Jan 7th-15th period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just got back from shoveling the driveway. Still -13F with a WC of -34 currently. Full sun and bright blue skies. Several bald eagles are sitting in the trees overlooking the lake. My pics didn’t turn out unfortunately. Pretty majestic scenery though given the elements. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Just got back from shoveling the driveway. Still -13F with a WC of -34 currently. Full sun and bright blue skies. Several bald eagles are sitting in the trees overlooking the lake. My pics didn’t turn out unfortunately. Pretty majestic scenery though given the elements.I ended up w an inch from last night, meanwhile, residents just south of me ended up w several inches. Just went out and cleaned up that silly inch that fell. It keeps adding to my snowpack. 2 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Currently @ 17F w sun & clouds mix. Roads are slippery. Salt is not working. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubuque473 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Came home from work and someone had shoveled my sidewalks, pretty happy with that. Currently -21 with the WC. Supposed to get really cold tomorrow... 1 Quote Dubuque 2007-2008 Winter 78.1" Total snowfall February Snowfall 32.5" City salt usage : 12,211 tons Days of measurable snow : 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Models still showing 1-2” tonight and tomorrow for some of Iowa and Nebraska. Dry air looks to win out in eastern Iowa. Looks like we might get a half inch here though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Heat wave is on here. Jumped up to -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted December 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 A balmy 16F w partly cloudy skies. Have to keep an eye on Port Huron to my north for any bands streaming on south off the lake. Some could have intense snowfall rates. 1 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 made it above zero 1 here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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