Omegaraptor Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Cold Snap said: 79 degrees on July 13, 1993. Wonder what July 1993 was like in other places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: That is the problem in a nutshell... these demonstrably false and hyperbolic statements from the alarmists about global warming then allows the other side to dismiss everything entirely. Be careful about crying wolf. Oh, please, the "other side" has been denying anthropogenic climate change for decades, well before it became a pet cause of the environmental movement. It goes back at least to Exxon covering up their own internal report showing it was an issue. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/ One side: 2+2=-367 Other side: actually, 2+2=5 Tim, Phil, etc: Look what you did! you made the first side lie! I will now tirelessly report about every inaccuracy you make. 1 2 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Oh, please, the "other side" has been denying anthropogenic climate change for decades, well before it became a pet cause of the environmental movement. It goes back at least to Exxon covering up their own internal report showing it was an issue. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/03/hillary-clinton/yes-donald-trump-did-call-climate-change-chinese-h/ One side: 2+2=-367 Other side: actually, 2+2=5 Tim, Phil, etc: Look what you did! you made the first side lie! I will now tirelessly report about every inaccuracy you make. Point is... alarmists seriously hurt the effort. But that is just part of a polarized, clickbait social media saturated landscape and won't be changing any time soon. 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said: Wonder what July 1993 was like in other places. Non-emergent here. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: 18Z GFS spreads the rain a little farther south. This all comes Monday night into Tuesday morning. Would be amazing if we could get this on every Monday through September! 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, MossMan said: Would be amazing if we could get this on every Monday through September! Put me in the blue and then repeat every Monday. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Snap Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 22 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said: Wonder what July 1993 was like in other places. That month was a blessing at SEA and PDX. Plenty of days with highs in the 60s and 70s. 2 Quote 2024 Warm Season Stats Number of 80+ days - 2 Number of 85+ days - 2 (Warmest so far - 86) Number of 90+ days - 0 Number of 95+ days - 0 Number of 60+ lows - 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_convergence_zone Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil said: Narrative versus reality. #1 CWG tweet. #2 meteorological summer 2023, to date. Hard not to burst out laughing sometimes. But it’s also kinda sad to watch. These people are slipping into mental illness and nobody is there to help them. That anomaly map is relative to the 1991-2020 normal, so it really shouldn't be used in any debate about climate change... But your point does stand, the climate system is complex and it's very hard for the average person who doesn't obsess about the weather to contextualize what a 1-1.5 degree C increase means for their day-to-day life. Some of the activists have gotten where they are with sensationalist messaging, which unfortunately is often not based in reality and tends to do more harm than good. Some scientists respond by educating and clarifying, others respond with sarcastic tweets and easy dunks. It's tough to message, especially when nobody really knows how much of "record-breaking temperatures on every continent" can be attributed to ENSO, Tonga, shipping aerosols, other natural variability, climate change, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Point is... alarmists seriously hurt the effort. But that is just part of a polarized, clickbait social media saturated landscape and won't be changing any time soon. I'm not so sure, it depends on how much lack of truthfulness is intrinsically harmful to political rhetoric. From what I have seen, not much. If factual accuracy was of prime importance in politics, politics would be so vastly different as to be virtually indistinguishable (and it would have damaged the political fortunes the denier camp vastly more than it has). Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Phil said: Narrative versus reality. #1 CWG tweet. #2 meteorological summer 2023, to date. Hard not to burst out laughing sometimes. But it’s also kinda sad to watch. These people are slipping into mental illness and nobody is there to help them. This is what you call fear mongering. Such platforms allows these people to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Snap Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 Up to 76 for the day now. Quote 2024 Warm Season Stats Number of 80+ days - 2 Number of 85+ days - 2 (Warmest so far - 86) Number of 90+ days - 0 Number of 95+ days - 0 Number of 60+ lows - 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 BOOM!! 90F burger again! 1 1 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 41 minutes ago, the_convergence_zone said: That anomaly map is relative to the 1991-2020 normal, so it really shouldn't be used in any debate about climate change... But your point does stand, the climate system is complex and it's very hard for the average person who doesn't obsess about the weather to contextualize what a 1-1.5 degree C increase means for their day-to-day life. Some of the activists have gotten where they are with sensationalist messaging, which unfortunately is often not based in reality and tends to do more harm than good. Some scientists respond by educating and clarifying, others respond with sarcastic tweets and easy dunks. It's tough to message, especially when nobody really knows how much of "record-breaking temperatures on every continent" can be attributed to ENSO, Tonga, shipping aerosols, other natural variability, climate change, etc. Point is that rhetoric implies something historic, when in fact meteorological summer (to date) has actually been cooler than the 30 year average. In fact it’s pretty close to the post-WWII average. The late July pattern will increase the average, but it may not persist very long. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 34 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: BOOM!! 90F burger again! Your streak will soon end. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 I’m in Klamath Falls now and it’s absolutely cooking out there! 99 on the car thermometer! 1 2 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: The man you voted for President in 2020 said something very similar: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/03/hillary-clinton/yes-donald-trump-did-call-climate-change-chinese-h/ Can you find something more recent than a decade-old quote from the orange blimp in chief? I actually don’t remember if I voted for him or not. Because I live in Maryland I can protest vote for whomever I want, and it won’t mean jack. Definitely not voting for Joe, though. Assuming he actually makes it to ‘24. If he doesn’t maybe I’ll write his name in, lol. 1 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Phil said: Can you find something more recent than a decade-old quote from the orange blimp in chief? I actually don’t remember if I voted for him or not. Because I live in Maryland I can protest vote for whomever I want, and it won’t mean jack. Definitely not voting for Joe, though. Assuming he actually makes it to ‘24. If he doesn’t maybe I’ll write his name in, lol. It only matters when the left does it, amirite? 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 78.8˚F after a max of 79.2˚F. Another 80-burger denied! Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YahRaEl Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 75° so far at SEA let's see how much more it goes up next two hours, probably another 1-2° Quote Eastside Tacoma/Salishan, WA. Elv 263ft Family home in Spanaway, WA. Elv 413ft ☥𓂀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Oh, please, the "other side" has been denying anthropogenic climate change for decades, well before it became a pet cause of the environmental movement. It goes back at least to Exxon covering up their own internal report showing it was an issue. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/ One side: 2+2=-367 Other side: actually, 2+2=5 Tim, Phil, etc: Look what you did! you made the first side lie! I will now tirelessly report about every inaccuracy you make. This is load of crap, but clearly you’ve made up your mind. Do you actually believe oil companies had secret climate science knowledge unbeknownst to the rest of the scientific community? Please tell me you’re not that gullible. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 Just now, Phil said: This is load of crap, but clearly you’ve made up your mind. Do you actually believe oil companies had secret climate science knowledge unbeknownst to the rest of the scientific community? Please tell me you’re not that gullible. Take it up with SciAm, they reported it, and I regard them as a typically reliable source. Corporations have tried to hush up a lot of things. Go research the tobacco and asbestos industries sometime. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 @Front Ranger 1 1 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: It only matters when the left does it, amirite? When they do what? I don’t know anyone who is turning to orange man for climate change advice. But my social circle is definitely left of center, so perhaps that’s to be expected. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted July 21, 2023 Report Share Posted July 21, 2023 Don’t we have a thread for this? 2 2 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Phil said: When they do what? I don’t know anyone who is turning to orange man for climate change advice. But my social circle is definitely left of center, so perhaps that’s to be expected. Nothing. My bad, you are clearly an impartial arbiter of truth, without bias. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Cold Snap said: That month was a blessing at SEA and PDX. Plenty of days with highs in the 60s and 70s. Came after a very thoroughly cold winter and very thunderstormy May. Very interesting weather year. Tim probably would have enjoyed the fall of 1993 though. Basically took until early December for the rainy season to start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Omegaraptor said: Came after a very thoroughly cold winter and very thunderstormy May. Very interesting weather year. Tim probably would have enjoyed the fall of 1993 though. Basically took until early December for the rainy season to start. foreshadowing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said: And this is why no one takes you seriously on this topic. Lol 1 1 1 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Take it up with SciAm, they reported it, and I regard them as a typically reliable source. Corporations have tried to hush up a lot of things. Go research the tobacco and asbestos industries sometime. Ah, well there’s your problem. You take what you read at face value, even when it comes from sources that are non-objective and/or have conflicts of interest. This is precisely how people cross the event horizon into the black hole of radicalization, from which few return. But I think you’re smart enough to prove the exception to the rule. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, Phil said: Ah, well there’s your problem. You take what you read at face value, even when it comes from sources that are non-objective and/or have conflicts of interest. This is precisely how people cross the event horizon into the black hole of radicalization, from which few return. But I think you’re smart enough to prove the exception to the rule. I will take SciAm over some right-leaning guy on the Internet that tries to pass himself off as objective any day, TYVM. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: And this is why no one takes you seriously on this topic. Lol Mt St Helens is awfully witty though, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Nothing. My bad, you are clearly an impartial arbiter of truth, without bias. Ha, if that were true I wouldn’t be human. I’m as biased as anyone. It’s a fundamental human quality. That’s why we have the scientific method…it effectively dissociates the scientific process from our humanity. Which is why science doesn’t mix well with religion and politics. They are diametrically opposed in almost every way fathomable. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: I will take SciAm over some right-leaning guy on the Internet that tries to pass himself off as objective any day, TYVM. Lmao. Case in point. You’ve been radicalized. The fact you called me right-leaning is hilarious, though. Anyone who knows me will burst out laughing at that. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, Phil said: Lmao. Case in point. You’ve been radicalized. The fact you called me right-leaning is hilarious, though. Anyone who knows me will burst out laughing at that. Because voting for Trump to take a stand against wokeness and continually harping on the factual inaccuracy of the left while remaining silent about that of the right are signs of being an absolute flaming liberal. Silly me. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Angeles Foothiller Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Voting for trump is insanity. Voting for Biden is insanity. Having those be the only choice AGAIN… is f*cking mind numbing. 2 1 1 Quote PWS: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KWAPORTA220 2023-2024 Snow Total: 18" (6 events) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 Loving the trend on the 18Z ECMWF for my area... 5 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 And I have now said enough (heck, maybe more than enough) and will only be posting on weather topics in this forum from this point forward (at least that is my intent). Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 1 minute ago, TT-SEA said: Loving the trend on the 18Z ECMWF for my area... Look, @MossMan, you are in the blue now, too! Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 The ultra wealthy have y'all right where they want you... Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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