Official Weather Complaint Thread

[CentralNebWeather]

On 4/8/2022 at 3:21 PM, Craig-OmahaWX said:

Haha yep. Its so hard to remember to stay active at any forums now a days. 

Hello, welcome back.  I can literally say you've missed nothing in Nebraska this winter.  Good winter not to be active.

[AquariusRadar]

A politics thread should not be permitted on this forum. Political posts sully the entire atmosphere (no pun intended) of the weatherforum. I regret opening the thread and reading some of the posts.

[Anti Marine Layer]

1 hour ago, AquariusRadar said:

A politics thread should not be permitted on this forum. Political posts sully the entire atmosphere (no pun intended) of the weatherforum. I regret opening the thread and reading some of the posts.

You don't have to read them.

[AquariusRadar]

16 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

You don't have to read them.

I had hoped a moderator would reply here on the complaint thread. But since you Mr. ML are everywhere and apparently in charge of handling complaints-Don't worry, I won't read any- I know in advance the ideas of the political posts..

[Minny_Weather]

Why was this moved to the everything else forum? The purpose of this thread was to consolidate posts that b!tch and moan about unfavorable weather patterns in the Midwest forum to one thread so that it didn't bring down the mood in the weather threads. It has served its purpose well and should be moved back and re-pinned.

Edit: I see hawkstwelve moved it so he's probably not aware of the history that caused this thread to be created in the first place, but yeah, it needs to be there. 

A few loose fingers sorta hijacked this thread and turned it into politics, but that's not what it's supposed to be. It's 100% about Midwest weather.

[Anti Marine Layer]

On 12/7/2018 at 3:29 AM, IMoveALot_Weather said:

 

Something is missing 

[OKwx2k4]

Glad this stupid death-ridge summer is almost over. Been one of the more unusual summers of my life. Windiest and driest in probably 20 years. 

[snowstorm83]

After the past year, I think we've already built our weather karma back up since 2018-19 and 2020-21. It's time for some rain and actual snow next winter. I know weather doesn't actually work like that but at this point it's like cmon do something 

[Anti Marine Layer]

Droughts suck

[Andie]

5 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Droughts suck

Totally Mr Layer!!!!

Texas is absolutely sick of the heat and the lack of rain.  Everyone is getting pretty grumpy if not downright depressed.   
Good news is temps will drop for the next 2 weeks in Texas and rain is in the forecast.  Hallelujah!!

[Hawkeye]

14 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Droughts suck

Droughts have one benefit.  They kill off Japanese beetle larvae in the lawns.  Last summer's drought worked marvelously in that regard.  Otherwise, I hate drought.

[MIKEKC]

 

Record amount of teachers have left their job, we have a tremendous shortage right now

Record amount of police officers have left their post, crime is out of control, criminals are celebrated

Labor force was wrecked with all the handouts

Letting student debt go unpaid (WOW)

Our border is wide open and an estimated 5 million have crossed in 20 months

We are at WAR

Inflation is wiping out the middle class

Supply chains are so messed up

Cities are crumbling with crime and the homelessness

Censoring free speech

Record low amount of students have enrolled into the Public School system throughout the country.. we all know why

High Gas Prices...just terrible and so avoidable 

Record home utility bills

Americans are hurting, very very sad. 

 

 

 

WHAT A MESS!!!!

Our country is a dumpster fire!! 

 

 

 

 

 

[Anti Marine Layer]

14 minutes ago, MIKEKC said:

 

Record amount of teachers have left their job, we have a tremendous shortage right now

Record amount of police officers have left their post, crime is out of control, criminals are celebrated

Labor force was wrecked with all the handouts

Letting student debt go unpaid (WOW)

Our border is wide open and an estimated 5 million have crossed in 20 months

We are at WAR

Inflation is wiping out the middle class

Supply chains are so messed up

Cities are crumbling with crime and the homelessness

Censoring free speech

Record low amount of students have enrolled into the Public School system throughout the country.. we all know why

High Gas Prices...just terrible and so avoidable 

Record home utility bills

Americans are hurting, very very sad. 

 

 

 

WHAT A MESS!!!!

Our country is a dumpster fire!! 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree but this should be in the Politics Thread.

[OttumwaSnomow]

I moved to Ottumwa  Iowa in 2008 after having lived in different  rural locations  of Maryland  and Pennsylvania  over 36 years. And i spent 5 years in Bolivia South America.  I must say the numbers and averages  of climate in SE Iowa totally  misled me!! In eastern  states where precip  averages  are the same as here or even less particularly  in summer months. Ive come to basically  despise the weather here. Especially  since I own large  lawn care and snow removal  business.  My first  4 yrs 2008 to 2011 were great weather years. Never saw 1 burned up lawn.  Then what  shock 2012!!!  60 90 degree days and 20 over 100F and horrid dry!  Heres some facts about my weather  here since 2012

2013 long drought

2014 almost perfect years regular precip

2015 dry summer after wet start

2016  lots of timely  pop-ups so good yr

2017 horrible localized drought  may 15 to sept  near record low precip. 

 

2018 rains return dry at times

2019  green summer

2020 nice green summer!

2021 wet then late aug to mid October  drought!

2022 driest start to a  year since  1988!! Some rain but  continous huge shortfalls..

MY QUESTION:

Is wapello  county iowa the driest (frequency  of drought) spot   this far east in continental  usa?  I absolutely  think so.

Ottumwa  iowa isnt Oklahoma, west tex, Nebraska, kansas or Dakotas!!!!  Im 80 miles  to the Mississippi  river!

I challenge  anyone to prove me wrong. Particularly  during the  growing season! We regularly  have spent long long periods on the drought monitor  since june 2012! If another location  anywhere east of here has been  on that monitor  more i cant find it!!! Can you? 

[james1976]

On 9/8/2022 at 11:23 AM, someweatherdude said:

Fall is never going to get here.  Ugh

Unfortunately that's becoming the new norm

[OKwx2k4]

On 9/7/2022 at 3:24 PM, OttumwaSnomow said:

I moved to Ottumwa  Iowa in 2008 after having lived in different  rural locations  of Maryland  and Pennsylvania  over 36 years. And i spent 5 years in Bolivia South America.  I must say the numbers and averages  of climate in SE Iowa totally  misled me!! In eastern  states where precip  averages  are the same as here or even less particularly  in summer months. Ive come to basically  despise the weather here. Especially  since I own large  lawn care and snow removal  business.  My first  4 yrs 2008 to 2011 were great weather years. Never saw 1 burned up lawn.  Then what  shock 2012!!!  60 90 degree days and 20 over 100F and horrid dry!  Heres some facts about my weather  here since 2012

2013 long drought

2014 almost perfect years regular precip

2015 dry summer after wet start

2016  lots of timely  pop-ups so good yr

2017 horrible localized drought  may 15 to sept  near record low precip. 

 

2018 rains return dry at times

2019  green summer

2020 nice green summer!

2021 wet then late aug to mid October  drought!

2022 driest start to a  year since  1988!! Some rain but  continous huge shortfalls..

MY QUESTION:

Is wapello  county iowa the driest (frequency  of drought) spot   this far east in continental  usa?  I absolutely  think so.

Ottumwa  iowa isnt Oklahoma, west tex, Nebraska, kansas or Dakotas!!!!  Im 80 miles  to the Mississippi  river!

I challenge  anyone to prove me wrong. Particularly  during the  growing season! We regularly  have spent long long periods on the drought monitor  since june 2012! If another location  anywhere east of here has been  on that monitor  more i cant find it!!! Can you? 

You are in a pretty anomalous drought area over the last decade. Another weird region like yours, only 30 miles to my north has been like that. Northwest Arkansas (Benton/Washington counties) has been through the ringer vs my area. Weird decade since 2011-12s green Christmas here. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

Can I complain about CA weather in here? Down here there's a deep marine layer with no end in sight. That's something we usually don't see except for May and early June here. The clouds are wasteful with very little rain. Drought is increasing and yet it is cold and damp and miserable. Not far north there was lots of rain and lowland snow. If that could make it through here the inversion would be a goner and the stupid marine layer would go on vacation like it usually does this time of year.

Remember what starts in California usually spreads through the rest of the country. 

 

[Andie]

It’s been dry further north of you as well.
The southern Midwest got there before you. Seems this thing migrated.  
North Texas has had a beautiful Fall.  

[gabel23]

Well with the Colorado Low missing me again here are some stats I would just like to throw out there. It's laughable.

Last year total snow: 4.3"

This year so far: 3.5"

Last time I seen a 6"+ storm: Jan. 2020 (will be 3 years on the 25th)

Last time above average precip for any month: June 2022

Total times dry slotted this year: This will be the 5th since Oct. 

 

[Up_north_MI]

If it’s not going to “winter”  here in lower MI hopefully we can at least get some good moisture. It’s been really dry in the southern thumb area especially. I know people with ponds that are at their lowest they have been in over 20 years. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

16 minutes ago, Up_north_MI said:

If it’s not going to “winter”  here in lower MI hopefully we can at least get some good moisture. It’s been really dry in the southern thumb area especially. I know people with ponds that are at their lowest they have been in over 20 years. 

Share the drought

[Anti Marine Layer]

23 hours ago, gabel23 said:

Well with the Colorado Low missing me again here are some stats I would just like to throw out there. It's laughable.

Last year total snow: 4.3"

This year so far: 3.5"

Last time I seen a 6"+ storm: Jan. 2020 (will be 3 years on the 25th)

Last time above average precip for any month: June 2022

Total times dry slotted this year: This will be the 5th since Oct. 

 

COVID chased them out.

[sumweatherdude]

I've read a lot of various analyses over the past couple of days about the outlook for January.  Unfortunately, other than Minnesota and to a lesser extent the Dakotas, I don't think there's any particular reason to believe that winter is returning any time soon for our sub.  I was hopeful that the second half of January would get cold again, which would bring KC at least a chance of snow.  It's actually starting to look like another 2011-2012.  The current forecast has KC with AN temps for the next 16 days.  Not a single BN day.  Sucks . . .  Even Joe Bastardi is starting to hedge a little bit.  

 

 

[Niko]

I think the late week storm next week will be slopfest for mby. Yes, it will turn colder, but still averaging AN. By the following week, 23rd and afterwards, is where BN temps begin and the start of snow chances begin, (hopefully not misses).  Other cities, such as on the EC has gotten also very little snow, if at all. Everyone wants to know, what is going on? The media is going nuts over this.....saying, (Where is Winter??). I.e., my neighbor yesterday asked me.."Where is Winter.? I havent used my ne snowblower yet. LOL. I simply told him, that all players have to be lined up perfectly  and are just not attm. He looked at me like, what players??.....I told him a few details that he did not know. He was impressed.

[sumweatherdude]

KC getting screwed again.  Rinse and repeat.  We finally get some storms, and it's a parade of snow 100 miles north of us while we wallow around in the puddles. 

[Bryan1117]

On 1/14/2023 at 9:21 AM, sumweatherdude said:

KC getting screwed again.  Rinse and repeat.  We finally get some storms, and it's a parade of snow 100 miles north of us while we wallow around in the puddles. 

We feel your pain in Omaha… we can’t catch a break here as we watch our neighbors up north reel in storm after storm. Still stuck in the single digits for seasonal snowfall in January (second Winter in a row). Starting to despise Nebraska winters!

[OmahaSnowFan]

On 1/3/2023 at 10:12 AM, sumweatherdude said:

I've read a lot of various analyses over the past couple of days about the outlook for January.  Unfortunately, other than Minnesota and to a lesser extent the Dakotas, I don't think there's any particular reason to believe that winter is returning any time soon for our sub.  I was hopeful that the second half of January would get cold again, which would bring KC at least a chance of snow.  It's actually starting to look like another 2011-2012.  The current forecast has KC with AN temps for the next 16 days.  Not a single BN day.  Sucks . . .  Even Joe Bastardi is starting to hedge a little bit.  

 

 

Bastardi’s a moron. Just look up his recent rambling incoherent “interview” with Tucker from the other week

[Bryan1117]

Disgusting… the literal middle finger from Mother Nature to us snow lovers in Omaha and Lincoln.

[jaster220]

1 hour ago, Bryan1117 said:

Disgusting… the literal middle finger from Mother Nature to us snow lovers in Omaha and Lincoln.

When OHIO's beating you Yikes!

[ATW]

On 1/26/2023 at 6:00 PM, Bryan1117 said:

Disgusting… the literal middle finger from Mother Nature to us snow lovers in Omaha and Lincoln.

This winter has certainly sucked by I can’t complain. The last 4 winters have been pretty for Mid Mo. We were due for a bad one. 

[Bryan1117]

1 hour ago, ATW said:

This winter has certainly sucked by I can’t complain. The last 4 winters have been pretty for Mid Mo. We were due for a bad one. 

Two bad winters in a row has been brutal (dry, cold, bad thermals - it's been a mix of crap lately)... it's sad that I really hope we don't get anymore snow this season - right now I am done with Winter. Winter used to be my favorite season however that's not the case anymore with these recent lousy winters... hopefully this Spring can deliver the goods here and make up for this current drought pattern. 

[WinterSquall23]

In retrospect this winter has taught me a few things.  
 

1.  The warm winters in michigan it can still snow just not as much.

2.   This winter has felt more like winters we experience in the PNW (west of the Cascades).  
 

3.  South Dakota was the place to be this winter.

4.  Someone needs to turn down the magnet because we had a lot of Low pressures go right over us.  

5. No matter how bad the winter was here I have seen snow every year. 
 

 

[jaster220]

On 2/6/2023 at 7:43 PM, WinterSquall23 said:

In retrospect this winter has taught me a few things.  
 

1.  The warm winters in michigan it can still snow just not as much.

2.   This winter has felt more like winters we experience in the PNW (west of the Cascades).  
 

3.  South Dakota was the place to be this winter.

4.  Someone needs to turn down the magnet because we had a lot of Low pressures go right over us.  

5. No matter how bad the winter was here I have seen snow every year. 
 

 

How long have you been here in SEMI? This year reminds me of several dud winters we got here in SEMI back in 87/88/89 and to some extent 90 tho that one was better. We just got a bit spoiled with the 15 year stretch of mostly good to great to even historic seasons. Back to reality, especially for me personally since my relocation has piggy-backed a pair of weak winters on top of my final one at my old area. 

[WinterSquall23]

13 hours ago, jaster220 said:

How long have you been here in SEMI? This year reminds me of several dud winters we got here in SEMI back in 87/88/89 and to some extent 90 tho that one was better. We just got a bit spoiled with the 15 year stretch of mostly good to great to even historic seasons. Back to reality, especially for me personally since my relocation has piggy-backed a pair of weak winters on top of my final one at my old area. 

@jaster220  about 5 years.  So just new to the area. All relative , but bad winter here is still winter. It did snow, it did get cold, and we had snow over for over two weeks.  I guess it is all relative.  I know this is nothing compared to the UP and Northern Michigan, but when you have lived in an area for over 30 years where you wonder is it going to snow at all.  I am beyond thankful especially this year when we had a white Christmas. What we are experiencing now with the temps/rain/wind is a Seattle winter.  Sorry you had to experience these last two, first year I moved here in 2017 was something else.  If these are duds , I can’t wait till we get a real winter.  Maybe they come every 4 years, but they will come. 

[WinterSquall23]

3 minutes ago, WinterSquall23 said:

@jaster220  about 5 years.  So just new to the area. All relative , but bad winter here is still winter. It did snow, it did get cold, and we had snow over for over two weeks.  I guess it is all relative.  I know this is nothing compared to the UP and Northern Michigan, but when you have lived in an area for over 30 years where you wonder is it going to snow at all.  I am beyond thankful especially this year when we had a white Christmas. What we are experiencing now with the temps/rain/wind is a Seattle winter.  Sorry you had to experience these last two, first year I moved here in 2017 was something else.  If these are duds , I can’t wait till we get a real winter.  Maybe they come every 4 years, but they will come. 

Also these storms are what we call a Chinook wind in the Northwest .  Southern winds+warm temps+rain = suck.  could melt 6 inches of snow in less than a day.  We have patches now. 

[gimmesnow]

I'm so done with this season. I'm ready to put my snowboards in the attic and call it quits for 8 months. I volunteer for ski patrol and go through hundreds of hours of training just so i can have it rain before I spend eight and a half hours with garbage snow reading a stupid ebook because there's nothing else to do. I was gonna buy myself a few days at Granite Peak or a new snowboard or something to celebrate finally graduating from being a candidate but I'm so tired of this winter I just spent all that budget on jet ski stuff for the spring. And now after a bunch of rain we're getting the useless wrap around pity snow of an inch or less just to taunt me. Selling my snowmobile, I just want to pass this final stupid toboggan test so I can have winter **** off.

[jaster220]

12 hours ago, WinterSquall23 said:

@jaster220  about 5 years.  So just new to the area. All relative , but bad winter here is still winter. It did snow, it did get cold, and we had snow over for over two weeks.  I guess it is all relative.  I know this is nothing compared to the UP and Northern Michigan, but when you have lived in an area for over 30 years where you wonder is it going to snow at all.  I am beyond thankful especially this year when we had a white Christmas. What we are experiencing now with the temps/rain/wind is a Seattle winter.  Sorry you had to experience these last two, first year I moved here in 2017 was something else.  If these are duds , I can’t wait till we get a real winter.  Maybe they come every 4 years, but they will come. 

2017-18 winter was big for SEMI (less so where I lived in SWMI), so you have seen a good winter then. Just a string of avg to below since that one. The best in recent times for me were 08-09 and 13-14 when I had 100 inches both seasons. I had 7 legit Storm Warnings in 13-14. After amazing winters like those, it's tough getting a third (or less if we don't get more this season) as I've had for several years now. As you say, it is all relative. There have been many stretches when this region on average would get only 1 Warning criteria event. 01-04 was one of them.  

[ATW]

On 2/6/2023 at 4:33 PM, Bryan1117 said:

Two bad winters in a row has been brutal (dry, cold, bad thermals - it's been a mix of crap lately)... it's sad that I really hope we don't get anymore snow this season - right now I am done with Winter. Winter used to be my favorite season however that's not the case anymore with these recent lousy winters... hopefully this Spring can deliver the goods here and make up for this current drought pattern. 

Omaha really has had a tough stretch. I believe you’ll have some great ones very soon. 
 

[Minny_Weather]

1 month until the move.

California weather is very very boring.

[OttumwaSnomow]

Ottumwa Iowa is the midwest desert.  Compared to avg over the past 11 yrs.  2023?  Driest year EVER!

[jaster220]

2 hours ago, OttumwaSnomow said:

Ottumwa Iowa is the midwest desert.  Compared to avg over the past 11 yrs.  2023?  Driest year EVER!

Averages are just that, the average. So while you are experiencing what must be like an historically low moisture year/era, somewhere in time people there did (or will) experience the opposite and thus a super moist time way AN in precip. Sucks tho to be there for the low end event. I really hate droughts. On that map posted elsewhere, the D0 really should go further south in WMI. I was there Tuesday and was shocked to see all the ponds and small lakes almost dried up, even after some decent rain events over the past 6 months. 

[OttumwaSnomow]

8 hours ago, jaster220 said:

Averages are just that, the average. So while you are experiencing what must be like an historically low moisture year/era, somewhere in time people there did (or will) experience the opposite and thus a super moist time way AN in precip. Sucks tho to be there for the low end event. I really hate droughts. On that map posted elsewhere, the D0 really should go further south in WMI. I was there Tuesday and was shocked to see all the ponds and small lakes almost dried up, even after some decent rain events over the past 6 months. 

Ive lived in SE Iowa for 17 years. In 2010 55" to 77" fell all across  this area.  In fact 2007 to 2011 were all above "average" precip..  But the nearly continuous  deficits especially  in the summer months since  2012 are nuts!!!  And no matter what part of Iowa or Mo gets  into D3 or worse drought the Ottumwa  Iowa area is almost always 75% of the time dead in the severe drought!!!! Bottom  line I dont agree with  many. The wild swings in precip here is extreme.. among  the worst i can find in any part of usa  not in paths of tropical  systems.   Ive lived in Pennsylvania  and Maryland  for 4 decades not many places  compare to here!!!!

[Hawkeye]

Terry Swails posted this a couple days ago.  Ottumwa is more than 2 feet below average since April 2022.

[Stormy]

12 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

Terry Swails posted this a couple days ago.  Ottumwa is more than 2 feet below average since April 2022.

The last few years had lots of long boring stretches of dry weather here, including this month! But I've seen many wet years too and had wondered when things would average out a bit more, and for that we'd need multiple dryer years. 

 

[OttumwaSnomow]

On 11/25/2023 at 11:40 AM, Hawkeye said:

Terry Swails posted this a couple days ago.  Ottumwa is more than 2 feet below average since April 2022.

@Hawkeye thank you for this information.   Thanks to all you folks here that know I am not crazy.  I love Iowa for many reasons, but WEATHER is not one of those reasons!  Its boring, dull, brutal,  lackluster. When I moved to SE Iowa in 2007 to 2010  I would report  to my east coast family farmers and weather friends that it takes nothing  to make lift in the atmosphere and  any twist,  spin, front etc etc brings rain in the warm  seasons.. sadly I was grossly  incorrect.  Since summer  2012 I have  seen 1000 fronts pass thru here dry and many cloudless! Ive had deep low pressure  overhead  in cold months just to see fog or a little  drizzle.  Ive seen creeks and ponds dry up.  Ive seen deer die by the 1000s from drought driven EHD.  It amazes me that in peak heating  hours during  summer a cold front  can pass this place  without  out barely  a cloud let alone a bubbling thunderhead. TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU, cold fronts passing at 5 pm will almost always bring a line of thunderstorms  to many areas east of here. Gets started in Illinois in fact. I wish i knew what these factors are? I believe  they have ALWAYS  existed.   The Ottumwa  Kirksville  Fairfield  and other spots nearby here have the  wildest  swings in precip yearly or seasonally  than any place i could find in midwest. But why?  The  geography and topography  are the same.   Theres something  about the hills along and especially  south of  desmoines  river. Look at desmoines- airport  tends drier than norther subburbs many summers.  Madrid and ames rarely  as dry as Ottumwa.  They get dry but the frequency  of these wild deviatins from average?  Rant over.. for now.

[Hawkeye]

5 hours ago, OttumwaSnomow said:

@Hawkeye thank you for this information.   Thanks to all you folks here that know I am not crazy.  I love Iowa for many reasons, but WEATHER is not one of those reasons!  Its boring, dull, brutal,  lackluster. When I moved to SE Iowa in 2007 to 2010  I would report  to my east coast family farmers and weather friends that it takes nothing  to make lift in the atmosphere and  any twist,  spin, front etc etc brings rain in the warm  seasons.. sadly I was grossly  incorrect.  Since summer  2012 I have  seen 1000 fronts pass thru here dry and many cloudless! Ive had deep low pressure  overhead  in cold months just to see fog or a little  drizzle.  Ive seen creeks and ponds dry up.  Ive seen deer die by the 1000s from drought driven EHD.  It amazes me that in peak heating  hours during  summer a cold front  can pass this place  without  out barely  a cloud let alone a bubbling thunderhead. TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU, cold fronts passing at 5 pm will almost always bring a line of thunderstorms  to many areas east of here. Gets started in Illinois in fact. I wish i knew what these factors are? I believe  they have ALWAYS  existed.   The Ottumwa  Kirksville  Fairfield  and other spots nearby here have the  wildest  swings in precip yearly or seasonally  than any place i could find in midwest. But why?  The  geography and topography  are the same.   Theres something  about the hills along and especially  south of  desmoines  river. Look at desmoines- airport  tends drier than norther subburbs many summers.  Madrid and ames rarely  as dry as Ottumwa.  They get dry but the frequency  of these wild deviatins from average?  Rant over.. for now.

Regarding the dry fronts, I think it has a lot to do with the warm air aloft that moves in from the plains.  We become capped during the day and have to wait til night when the atmosphere cools a bit and the low level jet gets going.

[OttumwaSnomow]

 Some great information  from DMX  about the history  making  long term drought at Ottumwa, Iowa.  Several records about to go down. What is crazy to think about is the past 2 winter seasons  have been somewhat  wet!!!