SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I'm flattered, thank you! But I think Rob is still the wind king. Heck, he knows more about gradients and mixing potential than I do! I think before I can ever be the wind king I need to touch up on my knowledge. He is the gradient keeper. 2 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I'm flattered, thank you! But I think Rob is still the wind king. Heck, he knows more about gradients and mixing potential than I do! I think before I can ever be the wind king I need to touch up on my knowledge.Feel free to take over the throne on this one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Feel free to take over the throne on this one. I wouldn't dream of it, your insight is valuable. However, I would love to help out with this little Tuesday storm Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I wouldn't dream of it, your insight is valuable. However, I would love to help out with this little Tuesday storm Looks like a PDX-EUG of 5 to 7mb. Wind gusts 35-45mph with some isolated locally to 50mph especially south of PDX. I'm always far more interested in the wind impacts from a storm than any rain. Rain is boring whether it's .25" or 4". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Wind Schmind, nothing historic wind wise in the models, next.... give us lowlanders some snow potential and then we are talking. I know I speak for the majority on here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just let the dogs out, quite windy with rain. 47. Glad I didn’t bother with any sort of storm clean up today. 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Wind Schmind, nothing historic wind wise in the models, next.... give us lowlanders some snow potential and then we are talking. I know I speak for the majority on here. Then hopefully the wind fans can talk without any unnecessary whining. Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_in_Leavenworth Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I wouldn't dream of it, your insight is valuable. However, I would love to help out with this little Tuesday storm You can learn a lot from reading NWS AFD's. Not just about a particular storm, but about the process they use for predicting winds (and snow, rain, etc). It is a lot more than just looking at the colors on a Weatherbell map. And they have a lot of experience with local climates. Not that they get it right all the time (wind and snow are very hard to predict), but you learn about soundings, how present conditions affect incoming storms, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Wind Schmind, nothing historic wind wise in the models, next.... give us lowlanders some snow potential and then we are talking. I know I speak for the majority on here.How about both! Snow and a massive north wind as well! 2 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Looks like a PDX-EUG of 5 to 7mb. Wind gusts 35-45mph with some isolated locally to 50mph especially south of PDX. I'm always far more interested in the wind impacts from a storm than any rain. Rain is boring whether it's .25" or 4". Those gusts look to be what most are predicting. I notice EURO, NAM and FV3 (as well as the earlier GFS) showed gusts 40-50 in the whole valley, with Salem getting 55 gusts courtesy of the EURO. Bottom line- it'll be stormy, windy, and nasty to drive in. Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_in_Leavenworth Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Then hopefully the wind fans can talk without any unnecessary whining. No doubt the potential of snow will get this forum really hopping, but nothing wrong with your interest in winds. And the forum will pay a lot of attention to potential damaging storms way more than run of the mill storms. But also be aware that a real big wind storm, though fascinating, can cause a lot of damage and many people here won't be rooting for one, especially if they own homes. But keep up your interest in winds, nothing wrong with that at all. That is what this forum is for, people who are interested in the weather. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 How about both! Snow and a massive north wind as well! November 2006! But region-wide. 1 Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Wind Schmind, nothing historic wind wise in the models, next.... give us lowlanders some snow potential and then we are talking. I know I speak for the majority on here.But if you combine wind and snow now we're talking. Nothing like snow and 60mph winds. D**n I'd love to see another december 1990. Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 November 2006! But region-wide.Lol yep!! 1 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_in_Leavenworth Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 In my earlier post, meant to say the potential of snow will get the forum hopping, not just storms. Trying to make the point that potential snow will cause more interest in the forum than anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 No doubt the potential of snow will get this forum really hopping, but nothing wrong with your interest in winds. And the forum will pay a lot of attention to potential damaging storms way more than run of the mill storms. But also be aware that a real big wind storm, though fascinating, can cause a lot of damage and many people here won't be rooting for one, especially if they own homes. But keep up your interest in winds, nothing wrong with that at all. That is what this forum is for, people who are interested in the weather.Snow can also create a lot of damage as well...look at the Dec. 1996 for Puget Sound! 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 How about a strong arctic front blasting south resulting in YWL-BLI of +22mb, BLI-PDX of +15mb, YKA-OMK +17mb(+Positive = northerly gradients) and OTH-GEG -23mb, PDX-DLS -14mb(-Negative = Easterly gradients) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 How about a strong arctic front blasting south resulting in YWL-BLI of +22mb, BLI-PDX of +15mb, YKA-OMK +17mb(+Positive = northerly gradients) and OTH-GEG -23mb, PDX-DLS -14mb(-Negative = Easterly gradients) Wow. Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Let's see that. This Forum would lose its mind. Jim would need tranquilizers in the dart form administered by Tim. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 How about both! Snow and a massive north wind as well!Well, we do need northerly help get snow, snow, that would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 How about a strong arctic front blasting south resulting in YWL-BLI of +22mb, BLI-PDX of +15mb, YKA-OMK +17mb(+Positive = northerly gradients) and OTH-GEG -23mb, PDX-DLS -14mb(-Negative = Easterly gradients) Low can stall off Cape Blanco pls Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Then hopefully the wind fans can talk without any unnecessary whining.Who's whining? I was just stating my preference like everyone else. Besides, I grew up on the coast and have had my fill of wind storms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_in_Leavenworth Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Snow can also create a lot of damage as well...look at the Dec. 1996 for Puget Sound!The carport at my apartment in Bellingham collapsed, damaging my car. There was a picture of me surveying the damage in the Bellingham Herald. That kind of snow is rare there though. And also snow/ice causes fatal car accidents, so I used to feel a little guilty of rooting for them. Over here people are used to snow, and they take care of the roads, so accidents aren't as common as they could be. And roofs and carports can handle big snow loads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I'm seeing a trend at Day 4. Energy off Kamchatka/Siberia progressively held back and heights/positive anomaly strengthening slightly over the central Pacific. Here are the past 8 runs 500mb anomalies. Very evident. Keep this trend going and we may be in business. https://imgur.com/UKBS1gJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bainbridgekid Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Pretty unusual lack of cold air to work with Nationwide right now. Not often you see a 986mb low slide through Ohio in midwinter with literally zero snow to the Northwest of it. 1 Quote Everett Snowfall (510 feet elevation) Snow since February 2019: 91" 2023-24: 6" 2022-23: 17.5" 2021-22: 17.75" 2020-21: 14.5” 2019-20: 10.5" 2018-19: 24.75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard777 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 One thing to consider is that AR events such as what we'll be seeing Monday-Tuesday have many times preceded an abrupt pattern change and arctic air. 00z GFS in 27 minutes!And that’s what I’m counting on! Feel it in me bones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hope tonight's EC snow map can show at least a dusting/flakes in the air for the S valley like this morning's. Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Aaaaah. Good. Blythe's climate would be brutal.Medford might have made the most sense. It's pretty much been a Rogue Valley kinda year for SW WA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 It's a joke... playing on the crippling drought and sand dunes that dominate the Portland landscape now.I don't live in Portland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvssnow_spokane Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Let's see that. This Forum would lose its mind. Jim would need tranquilizers in the dart form administered by Tim. Careful.. Tim might enjoy that to much. Quote My Weather Station https://tempestwx.com/station/61434 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 I don't live in Portland.Meant the Portland area. You sure don't live in Blythe. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Meant the Portland area. You sure don't live in Blythe. Just as much snow here as in Blythe so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Just as much snow here as in Blythe so far We are very close to the Blythe total as well up here. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard777 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Who's whining? I was just stating my preference like everyone else. Besides, I grew up on the coast and have had my fill of wind storms.Well, bust my buttons! Why didn’t you say that in the first place? That’s a horse of a different color! I suppose it would be like California folks hoping for another sunny day. Makes sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Well, bust my buttons! Why didn’t you say that in the first place? That’s a horse of a different color! I suppose it would be like California folks hoping for another sunny day. Makes sense People in California always hope for another sunny day. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Well, bust my buttons! Why didn’t you say that in the first place? That’s a horse of a different color! I suppose it would be like California folks hoping for another sunny day. Makes senseThis makes no sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard777 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 People in California always hope for another sunny day. That’s sick! Could never live down there. I need my seasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 That’s sick! Could never live down there. I need my seasons Why can't sun be a part of each season? Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Hit the nail on the head. Nice to have activity and with that things can move in the right direction for snow and cold for us. I love all the rain and wind.I think you could argue that a stronger jet and stormier pattern in the near turn will hurt chances at Arctic air down the road. The best way to build cold into western Canada is to shut down the Pacific jet. Just saying, timing is of the essence. Tropical forcing starts favoring the central and eastern part of the country after January 10th, +/- a few days. The longer the NPAC takes to flip, the tougher it will be. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard777 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Why can't sun be a part of each season? I’m good with that just not continuous sun environment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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