Rubus Leucodermis Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 All ECMWF ensemble members now calling for snow this weekend IMBY. GFS not so enthusiastic, but I would much rather have the the support of the former than the latter if I must choose just one. Edit: Just noticed something interesting: the grid point for the Euro is higher and inland compared to that for the GFS. Considering this is a marginal setup, that probably does a lot to explain the difference. MBY is both higher and further inland yet, which bodes well for my chances. 1 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 PV looking rather burly through to Christmas. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Latest Euro snowfall map. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Latest Euro snowfall map. Euro has historically been overly optimistic in these borderline setups. Though there’s Probably a pretty good chance somewhere between Nanaimo and Campbell river scores something significant along the east side of the island. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said: PV looking rather burly through to Christmas. Definitely a 2015-like vortex. 2 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said: Euro has historically been overly optimistic in these borderline setups. Though there’s Probably a pretty good chance somewhere between Nanaimo and Campbell river scores something significant along the east side of the island. All the models tend to be overoptimistic in marginal setups. It is at least plausible with this event. Though it probably will be rain in coastal areas. Question is how low into the hills the rain/snow line gets. Surprises me that the forecasts don’t mention at least a chance of snow in the higher hills. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Defense Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Quite the healthy bout of rain this morning, up to .71" since midnight and the temp is 42, so presumably this is falling as snow up in the mountains/ski areas Quote Britton Rd Bellingham Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KWABELLI103?cm_ven=localwx_pwsdash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Defense Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 53 minutes ago, MossMan said: I’m only at 38”…Way behind the last several years have featured. I'm at 28.53" for the year 1 Quote Britton Rd Bellingham Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KWABELLI103?cm_ven=localwx_pwsdash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_convergence_zone Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 9 hours ago, ShawniganLake said: First signs of daffodils poking up Hellebores are close to being in flower. Which is pretty early When I describe the climate of this region I tell people it's 6 months of spring, 2 months of summer, 4 months of autumn, and then a random 2 weeks of winter thrown in there somewhere between November and February. 1 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, the_convergence_zone said: When I describe the climate of this region I tell people it's 6 months of spring, 2 months of summer, 4 months of autumn, and then a random 2 weeks of winter thrown in there somewhere between November and February. We had a good 4-5 months of summer this year. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 9.89" of rain in the past week. SCORE. 1 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: All the models tend to be overoptimistic in marginal setups. It is at least plausible with this event. Though it probably will be rain in coastal areas. Question is how low into the hills the rain/snow line gets. Surprises me that the forecasts don’t mention at least a chance of snow in the higher hills. ICON and some of the mesoscale models look pretty pessimistic. Mark Madryga is a very good local met. He’s been talking about at least a rain/snow mix for higher elevations of the lower mainland for the past couple of days. chris Doyle is another very good BC met. He’s watching low snow levels on the south coast Saturday PM but too early to forecast amounts and snow level EC is going with rain or snow for east Vancouver island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_convergence_zone Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, TT-SEA said: We had a good 4-5 months of summer this year. Depends on your criteria of summer. How many days did we have above 75 F? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Oldie but a goodie. This is the Oregon State Capitol - BTW. I believe this building was destroyed in a fire in 1936 and replaced with the building we see today. Edited December 7, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew 3 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, MossMan said: I’m only at 38”…Way behind the last several years have featured. Yeah, there might be a few pockets with above normal precip for the year after this recent firehose, but overall the western lowlands are still looking well below normal for 2023. With the NW interior the driest. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, the_convergence_zone said: Depends on your criteria of summer. How many days did we have above 75 F? I am not sure that is a good criteria for summer in this climate. I would say that late April through mid September was quite summery. 4 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Oldie but a goodie. WHICH STATE, ANDREW? Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, Front Ranger said: WHICH STATE, ANDREW? I edited my original post. Oregon. Looks like Salem had a 19/11 day on this date with 16" of snow depth. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: I edited my original post. Oregon. Looks like Salem had a 19/11 day on this date with 16" of snow depth. I know...there are two states you care about, and they both start with O 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, the_convergence_zone said: When I describe the climate of this region I tell people it's 6 months of spring, 2 months of summer, 4 months of autumn, and then a random 2 weeks of winter thrown in there somewhere between November and February. Sounds like you describe it inaccurately. 1 1 1 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) Just now, Cascadia_Wx said: Sounds like you describe it inaccurately. As I told @TT-SEA the other day. Whoever you are, and wherever you go, anyone can throw up an O. Edited December 7, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew 1 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: As I told @TT-SEA the other day. Whoever you are, and wherever you go, anyone can throw up an O. I don’t know what this means. But I’ve always been pretty happy with our version of four seasons most years. Of course we’re not the Midwest, but people from there have plenty of boring, reductionist idioms to describe their climate too (we have just two seasons, winter and roadwork, hardy har harrrr!!) 1 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, ShawniganLake said: PV looking rather burly through to Christmas. that shiit ain't going nowhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, Cascadia_Wx said: I don’t know what this means. But I’ve always been pretty happy with our version of four seasons most years. Of course we’re not the Midwest, but people from there have plenty of boring, reductionist idioms to describe their climate too (we have just two seasons, winter and roadwork, hardy har harrrr!!) Sorry, Jesse. I did not mean to reply to your comment. Though I do agree with you on this issue. My response was directed towards @Front Ranger. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Sorry, Jesse. I did not mean to reply to your comment. Though I do agree with you on this issue. My response was directed towards @Front Ranger. Thank you for the clarification my friend. 1 1 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlTahoe Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 12 hours ago, Phishy Wx said: was in CA for work the past 3 days, looks like you guys have been pretty WET. had some bumpy asss flights home this evening. oof most places are like 10% of normal. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said: that shiit ain't going nowhere I sent Santa a letter asking for a SSW. He better f!cking deliver. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlTahoe Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Long range is looking terrible all the way out to Christmas. If we finish Dec with 2" of snow for Nov - Dec it will be the lowest ever recorded in 150 years. The other under 12" years is a who's who of the worst Winters 1934, 1976, 1980, 1986, 2014, 2017 Hopefully you guys up north can keep the Ar's going like 2015-2016 and its not a disaster for everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, AlTahoe said: Long range is looking terrible all the way out to Christmas. If we finish Dec with 2" of snow for Nov - Dec it will be the lowest ever recorded in 150 years. The other under 12" years is a who's who of the worst Winters 1934, 1976, 1980, 1986, 2014, 2017 Hopefully you guys up north can keep the Ar's going like 2015-2016 and its not a disaster for everyone. We have done OK on precip so far this season, but snowpack may end up quite anemic. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, AlTahoe said: Long range is looking terrible all the way out to Christmas. If we finish Dec with 2" of snow for Nov - Dec it will be the lowest ever recorded in 150 years. The other under 12" years is a who's who of the worst Winters 1934, 1976, 1980, 1986, 2014, 2017 Hopefully you guys up north can keep the Ar's going like 2015-2016 and its not a disaster for everyone. Looks like some more precip headed your way today and tonight? Doubt you finish the month with just 2". Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_convergence_zone Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 My point was directed at the observation that daffodils are coming up while many plants have not dropped their fall leaves yet...didn't mean to start an argument. That's all I have to say about it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, Front Ranger said: Looks like some more precip headed your way today and tonight? Doubt you finish the month with just 2". I've seen a few random GFS runs show a nice storm splitting off in about 10 days and SLAMMING California. 1 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlTahoe Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Front Ranger said: Looks like some more precip headed your way today and tonight? Doubt you finish the month with just 2". maybe a trace today if we're lucky. 1-4" for the crest. I don't see anymore snow on the models into the extended range. hopefully something can break through before the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlTahoe Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Just now, SilverFallsAndrew said: I've seen a few random GFS runs show a nice storm splitting off in about 10 days and SLAMMING California. Yep I keep hoping for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_convergence_zone Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Saturday looks dependent on dynamic cooling with the precip rates being decent right off the bat before WAA quickly jumps the snow level up. The UW-WRF does have flakes down to sea level briefly in BC but I wouldn't count on it. It's going to be brief. And then Sunday the snow level will be well above the passes again. Just a brutal stretch for getting ski season going, although the Euro shows an occluded front followed by a decent postfrontal period about a week out that would finally allow for some decent accumulation. The webcams at Snoqualmie don't look terrible so they should be open by next weekend at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, AlTahoe said: Long range is looking terrible all the way out to Christmas. If we finish Dec with 2" of snow for Nov - Dec it will be the lowest ever recorded in 150 years. The other under 12" years is a who's who of the worst Winters 1934, 1976, 1980, 1986, 2014, 2017 Hopefully you guys up north can keep the Ar's going like 2015-2016 and its not a disaster for everyone. STJ will get going in the back half of winter. At which point that is probably all she wrote for us up here. Right now is probably our prime "window". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 36 minutes ago, AlTahoe said: Long range is looking terrible all the way out to Christmas. If we finish Dec with 2" of snow for Nov - Dec it will be the lowest ever recorded in 150 years. The other under 12" years is a who's who of the worst Winters 1934, 1976, 1980, 1986, 2014, 2017 Hopefully you guys up north can keep the Ar's going like 2015-2016 and it’s not a disaster for everyone. Interesting, those were all backloaded winters here. This December reminds me of 2014 and 2015. All-encompassing torches with blocking ridges in Canada. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthHillFrosty Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 1 hour ago, AlTahoe said: Long range is looking terrible all the way out to Christmas. If we finish Dec with 2" of snow for Nov - Dec it will be the lowest ever recorded in 150 years. The other under 12" years is a who's who of the worst Winters 1934, 1976, 1980, 1986, 2014, 2017 Hopefully you guys up north can keep the Ar's going like 2015-2016 and its not a disaster for everyone. Didn’t yall have record snow last year? Seems to be a year of extreme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentonHill Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Last 3 euro SSW. Looks like first week of January still on track. But will it be too little, too late for our heroes in the PNW??? Tune in next time... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlTahoe Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said: Didn’t yall have record snow last year? Seems to be a year of extreme. Yeah snowiest and coldest since 1951-1952. Last year all the seasonal models and experts had us at like 70% of normal precip do to the 3rd year La Nina. But winter ended up acting like an El Nino instead. This year they all had us at 120% or above because of the El Nino so of course it acts like a La Nina. We have never had an above average winter with a Nov and Dec this bad before, so it looks like they have already busted on their forecast for this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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