Farmboy Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 We are going on about five in a row now... Last time I was up at Lake Quinault in September 2016 I had a conversation with a park ranger. She was telling about how the long warm and dry seasons up there from 2014 onward had been stressing out the bigleaf maple, making their leaves shrivel up, turn brown and drop off at the end of the summer, well before they normally would in autumn. As we all know, last summer didn't do much to buck that warm/dry/long summer trend. Sorry, I have to call it. I've been watching Big Leaf Maples, also known as Oregon Maple do that since I was a kid. That type of behavior is quite common for those trees in August... Happens all throughout western Washington... The 'Oregon Maple' is gets it's name because Oregon is central to it's range. As you know, Oregon summers are drier than Washington's, so I'm sure it has some stamina when it comes to surviving through dry/warm/hot summers.... I think that park ranger was embellishing just a little.... The maple is common in foothills and valleys within southern British Columbia all the way through the Cascades down to the southern Sierra Nevada mountain range.This versatile tree prefers the moist well-drained soils of riparian habitats but withstands both seasonal flooding and dry upland environments. The tolerant nature of this maple means the tree can reside in deep loamy soils as well as poorer rocky soils. http://www.nwplants.com/business/catalog/ace_mac.html Quote "Avoiding unwanted weather is a key element of happiness." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Sorry, I have to call it. I've been watching Big Leaf Maples, also known as Oregon Maple do that since I was a kid. That type of behavior is quite common for those trees in August... Happens all throughout western Washington... The 'Oregon Maple' is gets it's name because Oregon is central to it's range. As you know, Oregon summers are drier than Washington's, so I'm sure it has some stamina when it comes to surviving through dry/warm/hot summers.... The maple is common in foothills and valleys within southern British Columbia all the way through the Cascades down to the southern Sierra Nevada mountain range.This versatile tree prefers the moist well-drained soils of riparian habitats but withstands both seasonal flooding and dry upland environments. The tolerant nature of this maple means the tree can reside in deep loamy soils as well as poorer rocky soils. http://www.nwplants.com/business/catalog/ace_mac.html I am sure the park ranger had no idea what she was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Either way... I will always cheer for sun. No matter how I can get it.Fair enough. But acting like rain/clouds are the default all year long is just not accurate. Seattle and Portland have one of the most distinct wet/dry seasons in the country. Nov-Mar is almost always wet... April, May, and October are often a mix, and June-September is usually pretty dry. Exceptional dryness is possible any time from May through first half of October, as we've seen recently. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Plus a lot of these people that works for parks/ forestry departments have ties with environmental lobbying groups and are heavily invested in promoting their global warming agendas... Quote "Avoiding unwanted weather is a key element of happiness." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 I am sure the park ranger had no idea what she was talking about. Good chance she didn't. What, just because she had a suit and a badge, that somehow makes her infallible? Quote "Avoiding unwanted weather is a key element of happiness." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's a moderately sized agricultural town in Central Oregon. Sort of what Bend used to be before it got painted up with doggie day spas and frogurt shops.Sorry... Didn't realize you guys were dating. ... Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Madras is kind of a shithole. Eclipse!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted May 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Eclipse!!!!! Was better viewed in Monmouth For being the sad bullseye as far as PNW snow was concerned this past winter, on the flip side, we were extremely lucky in terms of viewing the eclipse as the smoke didn't creep in from the east that day until about noon, 2 hrs after. Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Sorry... Didn't realize you guys were dating. ...Had a splendid time camping near there during the eclipse. She even put out. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Had a splendid time camping near there during the eclipse. She even put out. ...Gross. 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Was better viewed in Monmouth For being the sad bullseye as far as PNW snow was concerned this past winter, on the flip side, we were extremely lucky in terms of viewing the eclipse as the smoke didn't creep in from the east that day until about noon, 2 hrs after. It got dusky here for a bit. But at least it snowed a few months later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Horribly ugly Euro. Can we have our summer back, please...? Just looked at the EPS, what a train wreck, temperature-wise....No... had a week of low clouds then 3 days of sun and now looking at 8 or 9 days that are mostly cloudy overall. That is not good summer weather in my book. A score of what... 14 to 4 cloudy over sunny after next week? Too much cloudiness.Smh..y’all just had one of the ridgiest Mays ever recorded after 5+ years of the most anomalous ridging of anywhere on the planet, and that still isn’t enough?? Now we’re kicking and screaming over 2-3 weeks of moderate troughing? Lolololol. I’m legitimately worried for your sanity when the next stretch of legitimate cool/troughy summers comes along. It’s bound to happen at some point, probably sooner rather than later. Consider this a practice year. Not overly troughy, but not perpetually ridgy either. Just enough variance to dip your toes in the water, so to speak. 2 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Only good thing about the 12Z ECMWF is that maybe the deck is cleared at the end of the run and there is nothing much left upstream. Retrograding anticyclones there with an offshore wave station. Nothing outlandish, typical -PNA/niña forcing response. There will probably be a transient ridge in there towards D11-13, between retrogressions. But the regime itself will continue until forcing passes the dateline. Then you’ll get your beloved death ridge back. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Smh..y’all just had one of the ridgiest Mays ever recorded after 5+ years of the most anomalous ridging of anywhere the planet, and that still isn’t enough?? Now we’re kicking and screaming over 2-3 weeks of moderate troughing? Lolololol. I’m legitimately worried for your sanity when the next stretch of legitimate cool/troughy summers comes along. It’s bound to happen at some point, probably sooner rather than later. Consider this a practice year. Not overly troughy, but not perpetually ridgy either. Just enough variance to dip your toes in the water, so to speak.Trolling away Phil. You try to hard. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 Trolling away Phil. You try to hard.*Too*. And most of what I just said is factual. You’ve been experiencing an unprecedented stretch of warm season heat/ridging since 2013. It literally can’t get any warmer than that in your region under late-Holocene boundary conditions. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 12z EPS 850mb spaghetti plot looks way cooler for Portland compared to the 12z run from yesterday. Mean is now below normal from the 29th through the 4th. Still really dry though with the mean showing less than a 0.25" of precip over the next 15 days. 1 Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 *Too*. And most of what I just said is factual. You’ve been experiencing an unprecedented stretch of warm season heat/ridging since 2013. It literally can’t get any warmer than that in your region under late-Holocene boundary conditions. On my phone. Sorry about that. 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 were all great summers in our time here. 2008 was decent after the middle of June. 2011 was beautiful from the middle of July onward. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Desert Mat! Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 No... had a week of low clouds then 3 days of sun and now looking at 8 or 9 days that are mostly cloudy overall. That is not good summer weather in my book. A score of what... 14 to 4 cloudy over sunny after next week? Too much cloudiness.It wouldn't matter how great the weather is, you'll just stare at some sort of screen anyways saying how great it is while you're indoors. We all know how your vacations go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dome Buster Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 It wouldn't matter how great the weather is, you'll just stare at some sort of screen anyways saying how great it is while you're indoors. We all know how your vacations go.Yep. All Tim does is F around on his mobile device until either his mistreated wife calls him out on it or his device tells him it needs to cool down before further use. Sad really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 On my phone. Sorry about that. 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017 were all great summers in our time here. 2008 was decent after the middle of June. 2011 was beautiful from the middle of July onward.Exactly, you know very well that you have the nicest summers in the country, yet it’s still not good enough for you, which annoys the fook out of me. That’s the only reason I troll you. If you’d count your blessings and be content with the weather you have instead of complaining every time you see a cloud, you’d probably get along with everyone here. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 *Too*. And most of what I just said is factual. You’ve been experiencing an unprecedented stretch of warm season heat/ridging since 2013. It literally can’t get any warmer than that in your region under late-Holocene boundary conditions.I remember a summer day a couple years ago where the marine layer held on a little longer than expected. My wife at one point said "wasn't it supposed to be sunnier and warmer today." I said "that's the late-Holocene boundary condition, you dumb blonde! Now go make me a chicken pot pie!" 3 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Blah...blah... blah.... Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Wow, all these mistreated significant others, and at least one is still putting out. I learned a lot today. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 I have conflicted feelings about this trend. The Tim trough is good news, but the heat moving east is terrible news. Hopefully this pattern returns during my trip to the region this summer. https://mobile.twitter.com/bamwxcom/status/1000114711818588160 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Good chance she didn't. What, just because she had a suit and a badge, that somehow makes her infallible?I’m sure this article is completely made up as well. One hot and dry summer after another is actually great for trees. Especially in temperate rainforests that depend on relatively short dry seasons to maintain their lush characteristics. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/from-mountain-forests-to-city-parks-trees-are-stressed-and-dying/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Lol. We desperately need a hydrostatic-convective framework for the GFS. This is pathetic. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 LOL GFS! Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 There is usually a lag effect with tree mortality too. They will look normal over the winter, then the reddish color of dying needles will make its presence known later in the spring, when healthy conifers are putting on new growth. Lately there has been an uptick in dying firs and cedars both around town and up in the mountains. We noticed a pretty bad patch of dying doug firs around Rhododendron on the way to Mt. Hood just the other day. This new die off is likely a result of last summer’s prolonged hot and dry conditions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Cool anomalies soothe the trees. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Cool anomalies soothe the trees.Precipitation probably matters more than temperature. Although prolonged hot and dry is the deadliest combination by far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Good...Lord... Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Desert Mat! Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 I remember a summer day a couple years ago where the marine layer held on a little longer than expected. My wife at one point said "wasn't it supposed to be sunnier and warmer today." I said "that's the late-Holocene boundary condition, you dumb blonde! Now go make me a chicken pot pie!"Post of the day!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 The models’ skill scores are tanking now (as usual, the GooFuS is the worst). Models don’t like pattern changes. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Biggest drop in model skill scores since the SSW. Ouch. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmboy Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 I’m sure this article is completely made up as well. One hot and dry summer after another is actually great for trees. Especially in temperate rainforests that depend on relatively short dry seasons to maintain their lush characteristics. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/from-mountain-forests-to-city-parks-trees-are-stressed-and-dying/ As I scanned through the article, I had to roll my eyes as I got to the part about 'climate change'. The global warming crowd so giddily seizes every opportunity they see to scream 'global warming' -it's so predictable, TWC does it all the time.. Our regional climate here may have warmed over the last 100 years, the evidence is pretty clear that it has, but these things are cyclical. I wouldn't get too worked up about what the Seattle Times calls "Treemageddon". We'll eventually cool off once again. In the mean time you should try to avoid getting swept up in the alarmist garbage being pushed by these drama queens... 3 Quote "Avoiding unwanted weather is a key element of happiness." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 As I scanned through the article, I had to roll my eyes as I got to the part about 'climate change'. The global warming crowd so giddily seizes every opportunity they see to scream 'global warming' -it's so predictable, TWC does it all the time.. Our regional climate here may have warmed over the last 100 years, the evidence is pretty clear that it has, but these things are cyclical. I wouldn't get too worked up about what the Seattle Times calls "Treemageddon". We'll eventually cool off once again. In the mean time you should try to avoid getting swept up in the alarmist garbage being pushed by these drama queens... Great post. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 This place sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Cooling off and clearing out nicely tonight. 61 with a DP of 40. NW winds have picked up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 This place sometimes. We've got you surrounded! Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 As I scanned through the article, I had to roll my eyes as I got to the part about 'climate change'. The global warming crowd so giddily seizes every opportunity they see to scream 'global warming' -it's so predictable, TWC does it all the time.. Our regional climate here may have warmed over the last 100 years, the evidence is pretty clear that it has, but these things are cyclical. I wouldn't get too worked up about what the Seattle Times calls "Treemageddon". We'll eventually cool off once again. In the mean time you should try to avoid getting swept up in the alarmist garbage being pushed by these drama queens...I actually agree with a lot of this. Ie the misrepresentation of science by the media being annoying and fairly predictable. The original point was that the last five very hot and dry summers have had an affect on the vegetation around here, which you were at first disputing, but is actually true. Now it seems like you are changing the subject and turning this whole thing into a climate change is fake soapbox, which is cool I guess. But sort of going off on a tangent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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