SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Yea. We usually burn close to 2 cords. Had to buy a lot of that this year but at 250-300 bucks a cord it’s a bit expensive. Going to get an extra cord just in case we have a cold one and my wife is home on maternity leave this winter so the fire will probably be going more steady. We use a wood burning insert in our fireplace, which has a blower. Heats the whole house pretty well, especially since I have now replaced all the windows too. We went through a tremendous amount of wood last February. Back in 2016-17 our daughter hadn't been born yet, so my wife worked days as do I. Now we both work opposite schedules so we do not have to use childcare, but it means someone is always home running the stove. Last I checked Oak and maple were running about 225-250 a cord here and fir 175-225. My in laws recently retired and spend a lot of time doing home improvement projects now for their kids, they took down 4-5 trees on my sister in laws property, which is where all our wood came from. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 YVR is breathing some rarified air in terms over consecutive rainy days in September 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Those are gone now, took them out when I had the excavator earlier this year. Good thing about living at 1600' is that it is the Himalayans do not grow well up here. There are a few patches here and there, but they are pretty easy to control. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Up to .30” on the day. 57 degrees. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Jet suppression. Prince Rupert has only had 5.5” in September and they average 10.5”+ Some spots in OR and WA have higher rain totals than 5.5” as well. Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 YVR is breathing some rarified air in terms over consecutive rainy days in September E5A7FC1E-07DF-4B81-99F0-155AF403F81A.png Interesting to see 1985 on the top there. The upcoming pattern has some similarities too, but about a week earlier. Of course all that fall voodoo ended up meaning nothing and it torched from mid-October onward that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Good thing about living at 1600' is that it is the Himalayans do not grow well up here. There are a few patches here and there, but they are pretty easy to control.They grow insanely well here... constant battle. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Summer has been over for 22 days.Ironic. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 YVR is breathing some rarified air in terms over consecutive rainy days in September E5A7FC1E-07DF-4B81-99F0-155AF403F81A.pngA lot of winters followed those years! Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Good thing about living at 1600' is that it is the Himalayans do not grow well up here. There are a few patches here and there, but they are pretty easy to control.Even here it’s not too bad to keep them under control...what I do is take them out or mow them down with a brush hog, then start mowing the area regularly and they don’t come back. The area pictured with my daughter playing in the mud is now all grass. The previous owners just quit maintaining the property over the last 5 or so years. I have made a lot of headway but still lots to do. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 They grow insanely well here... constant battle. I think our growing season is much shorter here than your area. You get more snow than me because of the c-zone and offshore flow over the pass, but overall I think our lows are much colder. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Ironic. You just cannot accept that I gave Phil a 2-week cushion! But not just because of the September rain. There was much more frequent rain here from mid-June through the end of August (more days with rain than normal). Grass stayed green all summer in my area for the first time in our 15 years here. My feelings about his forecast are also based on my personal experience. I give Phil credit... you don't have to if you don't want. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Of course we have Scotch Broom here... Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 You just cannot accept that I gave Phil a 2-week cushion! But not just because of the September rain. There was much more frequent rain here from mid-June through the end of August (more days with rain than normal). Grass stayed green all summer in my area for the first time in our 15 years here. My feelings about his forecast are also based on my personal experience. I give Phil credit... you don't have to if you don't want.Once it was fall, it turned wetter than normal. Summer was not...just wetter than recent summers. Pretty simple and backed by objective fact. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Once it was fall, it turned wetter than normal. Summer was not...just wetter than recent summers. Pretty simple and backed by objective fact. Not disputing your regional analysis. But July and August were wetter than normal in the Seattle area and out here. It normally rains on 13 days total in the Snoqualmie Valley in July and August combined. This year... it rained on 24 days in July and August. The rain was much more frequent than normal up here in July and August. And it felt like it was raining more often than normal... because it was. We never had to water at all the entire summer for the first time in 15 years. So I am giving Phil credit based on my experience. You don't have to... that is fine. It certainly seemed like there was a "much better moisture transport" this summer as he predicted. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Of course we have Scotch Broom here... Lots of that around here as well. I-90 from Issaquah to North Bend is a sea of bright yellow in May. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Once it was fall, it turned wetter than normal. Summer was not...just wetter than recent summers. Pretty simple and backed by objective fact. Even if some locations in J/J/A period had relatively normal precip, actual number of rainfall events were frequent, more so than a typical summer. The summers of 2010 or 2011 which both featured cool seasons, those didn't really have all that many rains at least not in Oregon. I do also recall the summers from when I was younger (2000-2008 period). The ones that weren't hot summers usually would only feature maybe a couple stratiform rains, and it wouldn't be distributed through a period of 2 months like it was in summer 2019. 1 Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 21 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, 5/7 5/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Even if some locations in J/J/A period had relatively normal precip, actual number of rainfall events were frequent, more so than a typical summer. The summers of 2010 or 2011 which both featured cool seasons, those didn't really have all that many rains at least not in Oregon. Exactly. The actual experience felt much wetter than 2010 and 2011... because the rain was so much more frequent. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Even if some locations in J/J/A period had relatively normal precip, actual number of rainfall events were frequent, more so than a typical summer. The summers of 2010 or 2011 which both featured cool seasons, those didn't really have all that many rains at least not in Oregon. Nah, not most places. In Portland, Olympia, Seattle, etc most the rain in July and August fell on a handful of days. Which is quite normal historically. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 A lot of winters followed those years!Not a terrible list but a couple stinkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Yeah, I was curious how they got to that size in the first place if they are in a location that constantly pools water. Trees don’t like growing in ponds.Yeah, unless water just recently started pooling there, that probably wasn’t the cause of death. Based on some of his other pictures, it looks like they might have died from the top down, which would be indicative of reduced/obstructed water transport through the vascular tissue. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Nah, not most places. In Portland, Olympia, Seattle, etc most the rain in July and August fell on a handful of days. Which is quite normal historically. SEA normally has 11 days with rain in July and August... this year they had 15. And again... Snoqualmie Valley normally has 13 days and this year there was 24. So it was actually more frequently wet in this area than normal for this area. And that is why I am giving Phil credit for a good call. There was a "much better moisture transport". Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Exactly. The actual experience felt much wetter than 2010 and 2011... because the rain was so much more frequent. We had rain events on 7/2, 7/10, 7/17, 8/2, 8/10, 8/21 and 8/29. They were very well spread out, with one 16 day dry streak from 7/17-8/2. Other than that we never went more than 8 days from July to August. Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Yeah, unless water just recently started pooling there, that probably wasn’t the cause of death. Based on some of his other pictures, it looks like they might have died from the top down, which would be indicative of reduced/obstructed water transport through the vascular tissue. That's what she said. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Prayers for the Euro. 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Yeah, unless water just recently started pooling there, that probably wasn’t the cause of death. Based on some of his other pictures, it looks like they might have died from the top down, which would be indicative of reduced/obstructed water transport through the vascular tissue.Nope. All my trees are dead, they died since it has not rained here in 10yrs. A wasteland of death and destruction. Currently moderate rain and 57. .35” on the day, 3.88” on the month. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 SEA normally has 11 days with rain in July and August... this year they had 15. And again... Snoqualmie Valley normally has 13 days and this year there was 24. So it was actually more frequently wet in this area than normal for this area. And that is why I am giving Phil credit for a good call. There was a "much better moisture transport". My number of non-convective rains in Klamath are very few occurrences in the warmest times of the year. If you include the time period from May up through September I think I've had more non-convective rainfall than rain from t'storms here which is something I don't think this area has experienced in a long time. If there was a stat of some sort on this to reference, it was probably the 1980's decade that last did this in Klamath Falls. Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 21 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, 5/7 5/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Moist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 SEA normally has 11 days with rain in July and August... this year they had 15. And again... Snoqualmie Valley normally has 13 days and this year there was 24. Most places, most the rain fell on a handful of days. And again, that's disregarding what was a very dry June for much of the area...that's one third of the summer. Overall, a very average summer in the precip department historically. That's what the stats say. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 We had rain events on 7/2, 7/10, 7/17, 8/2, 8/10, 8/21 and 8/29. They were very well spread out, with one 16 day dry streak from 7/17-8/2. Other than that we never went more than 8 days from July to August.Yep. Then add in June and you're looking at a very normal summer on average. A little drier than average overall most places. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 I think it was a little below normal precip and above normal temps here since Jun but was mostly normal. Sure hasn't seemed overly wet until Sept. The region exists outside of the foothills to the east of, and PSCZ areas north of Seattle. 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 A little better than 1/4” of rain here this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Most places, most the rain fell on a handful of days. And again, that's disregarding what was a very dry June for much of the area...that's one third of the summer. Overall, a very average summer in the precip department historically. That's what the stats say. Sometime stats don't tell the whole story. And the pattern turned wet around June 18th... and the rain was more frequent than normal for the rest of the summer after that point. Here are the stats from the Snoqualmie Valley... rain was more frequent than normal and swtich was flipped on June 18th. That is why I am giving Phil a 2-week cushion. You can do whatever you want. It certainly felt like Phil made a good forecast... in the spirit of long-range forecasting. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Nina Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 0.18" so far today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Prayers for the Euro.The rent in your brain is too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Looks like we are 59F with steady rain. Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Stats are stats. This summer was less moist than normal, even with a "better" moisture van. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Euro looks good so far. Not quite as far east as the GFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Stats are stats. This summer was less moist than normal, even with a "better" moisture van. Technically true for JJA. But from June 18th - August 31st... it rained more frequently than normal in many areas of the PNW. That is the majority of the summer. And yet it was also warmer than normal... thanks to the high humidity. In the spirit of long range forecasting and based on my experience personally... Phil did a good job and provided a good guide to this summer. Its not the same as a forecast contest. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted September 22, 2019 Report Share Posted September 22, 2019 Stats are stats. This summer was less moist than normal, even with a "better" moisture van. There was almost no monsoonal flow to speak of this summer in southern OR. Next year is probably going to overdose on wet t'storms here. Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 21 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, 5/7 5/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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