Poulsbo Snowman Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 You made dry ice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Early December was always a tease/warmup IMO. I like the Holidays (mid/late December into early January) more, before a hiatus thereafter followed by an even bigger event in February. Gotta love -ENSO/+QBO climo. Many winters hiatuses aren't really that long cascades eastward. But yeah I know Portland can have something for 1 week and not have it for more than a month or two at a time. Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 21 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, 5/7 5/8, Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Lol. If that happens I bet Jim finally packs it up and moves east.Average coldest daily high/low at Portland 1981-2010 Dec: 34/24Jan: 36/25Feb: 40/24 Last time Dec failed to reach freezing was 1953 so we're due. For Jan it was 2010 (35) and for Feb 1961 (35) 1 Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 2008 was pretty cold The winter as a whole was meh temperature wise. Without January being solidly cold a really cold winter overall is pretty hard to achieve. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Holy cow. What are you gonna do with 160 acres?hide from people!! 4 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Average coldest daily high/low at Portland 1981-2010 Dec: 34/24 Jan: 36/25 Feb: 40/24 Can we all say pathetic? Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 hide from people!! How on Earth could you afford 160 acres? Yikes! Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 What are you talking about? He's been a member here for years. Doesn't matter where you live Rampant placism around here sometimes. 3 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 00z ECMWFBegins in.... 3 minutes GFS was decent. GEM was much improved. King EURO needs to get on board. Let's see the trend continuing of the Aleutian ridge/GOA block becoming just a bit stronger, healthier. Feel free to play along(You may need to refresh pages)Northwest view - http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf®ion=nwus&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2016112300&fh=0&xpos=0&ypos=197North American view - http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf®ion=namer&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2016112300&fh=0&xpos=0&ypos=197North Pacific view - http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf®ion=npac&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2016112300&fh=0&xpos=0&ypos=197Alaska view - http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=ecmwf®ion=ak&pkg=T850&runtime=2016112612&fh=0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 How on Earth could you afford 160 acres? Yikes!160 unimproved acres in somewhere like White Pine County, Nevada would probably run under $1,000 an acre. Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Looking like a theme of recurring cold showing up on the models now. Could be a series of cold snaps which will ultimately culminate in the big one. Very different progression than what we've seen in quite some time. FWIW the CFS is going bananas with the cold lately. The blocking signal is definitely bananas. The last time it was this strong at this point was 2009, but of course that was an El Stinko. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 SW flow..poor Jesse.It's true. I really am the only one who hates warm rain here in the winter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Can we all say pathetic?Wasn't that great in prior 30 year periods...going back even to the 1800s. It's always been something like 30-35 / 20-25. Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Can we all say pathetic?Yeah, especially given your latitude. Your coldest average January low for this century is actually warmer than my average January low. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 It's true. I really am the only one who hates warm rain here in the winter. If I don't have a winter banana crop it just doesn't seem like winter. 1 Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 For those who are wondering where 2008-09 ranked it was the 26th coldest winter since 1895 for the Puget Sound lowlands. It was the coldest of this century though. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Yeah, especially given your latitude. Your coldest January low is actually warmer than my average January low. Contrast that with my folks' in Idaho, average coldest daily high/low 1981-2010: Dec: 12/-10Jan: 12/-13Feb: 17/-8 Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 hide from people!!I cannot tell you how much I want exactly that. I would put my house right in the middle of the 160 acres so I would be completely secluded. Someday. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Wasn't that great in prior 30 year periods...going back even to the 1800s. It's always been something like 30-35 / 20-25. Seems hard to believe given all of the really cold winters back then. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuffradio Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 If I don't have a winter banana crop it just doesn't seem like winter.I'm personally fond of Pineapple and Mango crops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 I think we have a realistic shot at coldest winter of the century so far. That's not saying all that much, but I'm really liking the progression. If you include Dec-Mar, 2008-09 was no slouch. But of course, a really cold January would make a huge difference. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandExperience Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 How on Earth could you afford 160 acres? Yikes!You'd be surprised at how cheap land is in some places. I've seen a few properties around colville around 80 to 100 acres for less than 200k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Its to bad we cant go out to 600hrs on the gfs then we could really party!! 1 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Yeah, especially given your latitude. Your coldest January low for this century is actually warmer than my average January low. January has really struggled the past 35 years. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Contrast that with my folks' in Idaho, average coldest daily high/low 1981-2010: Dec: 12/-10Jan: 12/-13Feb: 17/-8Now that's more like it. Pacific Ocean FTW. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 You'd be surprised at how cheap land is in some places. I've seen a few properties around colville around 80 to 100 acres for less than 200k Wow! Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Can we all say pathetic? Not for December! Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Yeah, especially given your latitude. Your coldest January low for this century is actually warmer than my average January low. You have an average daily low below 18 in January? Or do you mean your average extreme monthly low for January? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted November 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 11/29/16 9:46 PM 00z GFS Ensembles Portland, Seattle, Vancouver BCMore improvement. For Portland, Check out how many cold -5c to -10c members there are in the long range now. Seattle and Vancouver, BC even colder. There is REAL potential models trend colder folks. Portland http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Portland_Oregon_USA_ens.png Seattlehttp://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Seattle_USA_ens.png Vancouver, BChttp://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_Vancouver_Kanada_ens.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Seems hard to believe given all of the really cold winters back then.Dec was especially mild in the 1800s, Jan and Feb were generally colder when considering the coldest low of the month Dec 1874 31 deg coldest low1875: 331877: 351882: 311886: 301888: 311895: 30 Lots of Dec with 27-29 too. Only two that went below 20: Dec 1879: 3Dec 1884: 12 Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Now that's more like it. Pacific Ocean FTW. Also keep in mind the outlying areas are quite a bit colder than SEA and PDX. Especially on the minimum temps. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Wow! Yeah because that place is hell warmed over. Beautiful country though. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Yeah, especially given your latitude. Your coldest January low for this century is actually warmer than my average January low. You're reading it wrong. That's the average January low for PDX, not the coldest. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Dec was especially mild in the 1800s, Jan and Feb were generally colder when considering the coldest low of the month Dec 1874 31 deg coldest low 1875: 33 1877: 35 1882: 31 1886: 30 1888: 31 1895: 30 Lots of Dec with 27-29 too. Only two that went below 20: Dec 1879: 3 Dec 1884: 12 For sure. January was a MUCH bigger month back then and February also. Really weird how the center of our winter has trended so much earlier. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrChris Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Also keep in mind the outlying areas are quite a bit colder than SEA and PDX. Especially on the minimum temps.Yeah I'm guessing OLM probably sees something closer to 18-22 for DJF coldest low on average Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 You have an average daily low below 18 in January? Or do you mean your average extreme monthly low for January?Sorry, compared to PDX's JAN average "extreme" low. Our average low bottoms out at ~ 22.5 degrees in mid/late JAN. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Already down into 30s tonight. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Already down into 30s tonight. Heart of winter is almost here. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 You're reading it wrong. That's the average January low for PDX, not the coldest.It's the average coldest, not absolute coldest. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted November 30, 2016 Report Share Posted November 30, 2016 Sorry, compared to PDX's JAN average "extreme" low. Our average low bottoms out at ~ 22.5 degrees in mid/late JAN.Your climate is so much better than ours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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