Hawkeye Posted February 9, 2019 Report Share Posted February 9, 2019 I'm still concerned about the rains/snow line during this pattern. After each system the cold air doesn't get pulled south very far, so when the next storm ejects into the plains it pulls the warm air aloft right back up to the I-80 corridor. 1 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 When you have a minute, would you mind explaining why you think things will shift further south after next week? I know it has to do with the teleconnections, but could you use terminology a true amateur would understand? I'd really appreciate it! TBH, it all comes down to various long range tools, of which, there are quite a few...or more simply, pattern recognition. When I try to predict the wx pattern, I don't necessarily use one thing over the other but a lot of it has to do with the LRC which I'm sure your aware of coming from the KC region. As for your area, the pattern becomes more favorable starting late next week (maybe even Valentine's Day?). The amount of cold air that will begin to invade the central CONUS will eventually suppress the storm track leaving your area in the vicinity of where winter storms may track. I think it will get better for your area...I really do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 The extended forecast is as stormy as it can get. Anyone that gets all snow from all storms until end of February, will have snow lasting right into April. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andie Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Any snow that Texas saw remained south. Waco saw sleet. The whole experience was an embarrassment though I'm sure they enjoyed the snowflakes in Hill Country. We had drizzle today and rain on deck tomorrow. Low of 35* tonight and 45* tomorrow. Sounds like a good day to stay in and find a good movie or game to watch. This winter has been a bust for Texas. 1 Quote Before You Diagnose Yourself With Depression or Low Self-Esteem,...First Make Sure You Are Not In Fact, Just Surrounded By A$$holes. “If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell.” Gen. Sheridan 1866 2018 Rainfall - 62.65" High Temp. - 110.03* Low Temp. - 8.4* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltrami Island Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Here is photo summary of the recent blizzard by the grand forks NWS. If you never experienced a red river valley blizzard, it's not quite like anything else. The snowing hitting your face could have fallen to the ground months earlier and many miles away... https://business.facebook.com/pg/NWSGrandForks/photos/?business_id=10153475054764041&tab=album&album_id=2044269195650171&__tn__=-UC-R 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Currently clear and frigid w temps in the teens. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stacsh Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 State of Emergency declared for Grand Rapids. Never seen that before. Crazy weather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Seattle, WA is enjoying Winter's Full Fury.......... WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM SUNDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH LATE TUESDAY NIGHT... * WHAT...Heavy snow possible as two storm systems move across the area. The first system will move across the area Sunday afternoon into Sunday night, bringing the potential for 1 to 3 inches of new snow. Another system will move in quickly behind this system Monday and continue through Tuesday, bringing the potential for more significant snowfall. New snow accumulations Monday through Tuesday of 5 to 8 inches possible. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 GFS breaking out snow in Ne and IA ,MN ,SD Valentines Day AM. Colder run- my goodness- what a pattern!!! Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 GFS breaking out snow in Ne and IA ,MN ,SD Valentines Day AM. Colder run, This piece of energy has the makings of a massive storm for someone. Some models have lee cyclogenesis down into the 980s, starting the system off on a strong foot. Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 GFS creams S.IA Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 This piece of energy has the makings of a massive storm for someone. Some models have lee cyclogenesis down into the 980s, starting the system off on a strong foot.GEM agrees with this as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwxguy Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Valentine's day (14th and 15th) storm showing up still Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 GEM at 144 has a 984 L in NW IL ish Starts out at 982 in southern KS at 120 https://weather.gc.ca/data/model_forecast/495_100.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlcater Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Yea... Not done snowing over E IA and NW IL. Very strong surface low in the 980s trecks through NW IL. Quote 2021-22 Snowfall: (Hiawatha) TOTAL: 10.2" (12/28: 3.0") (12/29: 0.8") (1/1: 6.4") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 I would recommend sleep... Gonna be a long week in weather weenie world 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gfs&p=snku_acc&rh=2019021000&fh=144&r=us_mw&dpdt=&mc= This would be pretty insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 That would be great. However, I don't think the euro has anything like that. I don't think the 12z euro had much if any cold sector precip. Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just wait until you see the gem snowmap... It’s got places 30+ inches at 10:1 ratio https://tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/?model=gem®ion=us&pkg=mslp_pcpn_frzn&runtime=2019021000&fh=144 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wintersno Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 That looks like a hurricane! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 How about this for a snow map? https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=gdps&p=snku_acc&rh=2019021000&fh=156&r=us_mw&dpdt=&mc= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwxguy Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Think the fv3 is not showing that system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwxguy Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Actually is, just no qpf with it until Wisconsin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 GFS makes the dry slot a ***** on the Valentine's day system, but still hooks us up with a pretty sweet backside. Also has a monster of a storm in OK and KS for the 19th. That would render Viagra useless for any Winter weather buffs who live down there. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzcoat Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 ukie S for Valentines day Quote The two loudest sounds known to man: a gun that goes bang when it is supposed to go click and a gun that goes click when it is supposed to go bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 The 0z Canadian might be the most snow I have ever seen on a forecasted map for a model run that covers so much of the nation . Nice eye candy for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 The 0z Canadian might be the most snow I have ever seen on a forecasted map for a model run that covers so much of the nation . Nice eye candy for sure.It shows another system at the end that hits the same areas Pretty crazy. 50+ in a lot of areas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwxguy Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 The 0z Canadian might be the most snow I have ever seen on a forecasted map for a model run that covers so much of the nation . Nice eye candy for sure.day after tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 day after tomorrowYou know it's a weenie run when you're disgruntled by only getting 20". Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormhunter87 Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 So the Canadian run appears the model sniffed some cocaine and just started screaming snow for everyone. Wow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Euro has a 984 L in central IN for Thu/Fri system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwxguy Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Euro slightly north vs 12z for Friday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 You know it's a weenie run when you're disgruntled by only getting 20". or 6 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Euro has next weekends low also; goes from 982 in northwest kansas to 984 just north of Indy a day later. This should be a sweet run for I-80 east of Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwxguy Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Euro has next weekends low also; goes from 982 in northwest kansas to 984 just north of Indy a day later. This should be a sweet run for I-80 east of Denver.I have the map a few posts above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 So over due.....and this pattern is not even to the active period yet. The turkey day blizzard in Kansas isn't due until the end of Feb if you go by the LRC! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcwxguy Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Another system showing the Monday after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 I have the map a few posts aboveThat's the disadvantage of tropical tidbits; I thought that run would be further north than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Over the next 10 days, the 00z Euro is heading towards the idea that the storm track begins to shift farther S in time. About 2-3 days ago, it began to see the Valentine's Day storm I had in mind when no model was showing a storm...now every model has it. At this range, given the model discrepancies where the eventual track of the Valentine's Day storm ends up, I'm just glad to see all the models showing the potential for a wound up storm somewhere across the Heartland. Speaking of the Heartland, the 00z Euro is suggesting the "Heartland Glacier" to expand farther S and W??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted February 10, 2019 Report Share Posted February 10, 2019 Currently at 12F w mostly cloudy skies. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.