Omegaraptor Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Gradient Keeper said: Let's do the Winter version of this heatwave something like 5-7 days with high temps in the 10s and 20s. A high of 115 is probably easier to achieve than a high of 15 at PDX now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Timmy Supercell said: Yeah part of the reason I haven't gone into much photos/video lately is because of the kinds of streets we have here. If I wasn't so worried about becoming a lightning rod I'd stand in the middle of Central Park for sky shots. Haha, yep same vibes. Unless Iām drunk thereās no way Iām standing outside in a bonafide lightning barrage. Quote Live Weather Cam:Ā https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS WundergroundĀ https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA:Ā https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, Timmy Supercell said: We better get our storms during or towards the end of this upcoming heatwave. Not looking forward to more lows in the 70's and the sun is out for days and days.. The 10-day on wunderground here has no thunder on it, and that's the first time this summer that's happened. July seems to be the most convective month this year, I think August last year won over that spot by a smidge.Ā If there has to be a ridge, ideally you want to flirt with the edge of it without ended up under it. Otherwise youāll be lucky to see a cloud let alone a storm. I vastly prefer deep 500mb troughs since thatās where you get the shear and long lived updrafts. Ring of fire patterns are all WAA/speed shear which can work but also had high bust potential. Ā Quote Live Weather Cam:Ā https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS WundergroundĀ https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA:Ā https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dave said: Looks like the overtime low was around 69/70 at EUG, according to the 5 min obs. Low hanging fruit, but I believe that is good enough for the 2nd warmest low of all time. If the sensor was in downtown Eugene, that would obviously be a much different story. Obviously due to ocean temps being in the 60s 70 miles away. Nothing to do with cloud cover after a high of 105. Quote SnowfallĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Precip 2022-23: 95.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2021-22: 91.46"Ā 2020-21: 12.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2012-13: 78.45Ā Ā 2011-12: 98.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill!Ā Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWx Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: This summer is pretty good evidence for SSTAs having some impact.Ā Ā We had colder than normal water offshore in June and July and then it completely flipped to anomalously warm at the end of July so we had both in the same summer.Ā Ā In June and July... SEA had just 4 days with lows at 60+.Ā Ā Since August 1st there have been 14 lows at 60+ which includes a troughy period as well.Ā Ā I don't think that is entirely coincidental.Ā Ā Yeah it does make a lot of sense. Youād think it would lead to other effects like an increased marine layer, or warmer daytime highs. Not sure SSTs have much of an impact on either of those things though.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken in Wood Village Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Looks like there could be some beneficial rain for the forecast fires south of my area. That's if you believe what the radar is showing.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWx Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Obviously due to ocean temps being in the 60s 70 miles away. Nothing to do with cloud cover after a high of 105. Thereās definitely some situations where cloud cover, UHI and other things can explain warm overnight lows. I donāt think Timās logic on SSTs is unsound though. It does make sense but sometimes thereās other factors to consider as well.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, TacomaWx said: Yeah it does make a lot of sense. Youād think it would lead to other effects like an increased marine layer, or warmer daytime highs. Not sure SSTs have much of an impact on either of those things though.Ā My take is that warmer SSTAs offshore reduces marine layer clouds overall (all else being equal) and weakens the strength of marine pushes and makes the low level air mass a little warmer on the west side of the Cascades.Ā Ā I think it has the biggest impact on overnight lows but probably increases daytime temps indirectly with less marine layer clouds to burn off (weaker inversions) allowing for better heating. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Obviously due to ocean temps being in the 60s 70 miles away. Nothing to do with cloud cover after a high of 105. There are many variables Andrew.Ā Ā Ā What you described is another variable that can make for warm nights.Ā Ā Its much more nuanced of course.Ā What we are saying also appears to be a factor up here.Ā Ā Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 This forest fire season in BC will likely surpass 4 million acres burned by later today. Ā The fire behaviour in the southern interior should be pretty dangerous this afternoon as that dry cold front drops through. Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, TacomaWx said: Thereās definitely some situations where cloud cover, UHI and other things can explain warm overnight lows. I donāt think Timās logic on SSTs is unsound though. It does make sense but sometimes thereās other factors to consider as well.Ā Yeah it could have something to do with it. We should also take a look at lows east of the cascades.Ā Quote SnowfallĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Precip 2022-23: 95.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2021-22: 91.46"Ā 2020-21: 12.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2012-13: 78.45Ā Ā 2011-12: 98.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill!Ā Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, ShawniganLake said: This forest fire season in BC will likely surpass 4 million acres burned by later today. Ā The fire behaviour in the southern interior should be pretty dangerous this afternoon as that dry cold front drops through. Ā This afternoon looks potentially explosive east of the Cascades.Ā Ā Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Overnight min of 63.0ĖF. Now 71.4ĖF. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Obviously due to ocean temps being in the 60s 70 miles away. Nothing to do with cloud cover after a high of 105. I think there might even be some 70+ ocean temps out there.Ā Ā But yes, some cloud cover moved in. Air quality is much better this morning as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: My take is that warmer SSTAs offshore reduces marine layer clouds overall (all else being equal) and weakens the strength of marine pushes and makes the low level air mass a little warmer on the west side of the Cascades.Ā Ā I think it has the biggest impact on overnight lows but probably increases daytime temps indirectly with less marine layer clouds to burn off (weaker inversions) allowing for better heating. Arenāt mariners layers pretty common in Southern California? Their ocean temps are quite a bit warmer than ours. Quote SnowfallĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Precip 2022-23: 95.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2021-22: 91.46"Ā 2020-21: 12.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2012-13: 78.45Ā Ā 2011-12: 98.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill!Ā Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Arenāt mariners layers pretty common in Southern California? Their ocean temps are quite a bit warmer than ours. And they have extreme desert heat to the east creating a stronger low level gradient.Ā Ā I just know that when the water is really warm off our coast (compared to normal)... chilly minimums will be much more rare on the west side.Ā Ā At least up here. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Supercell Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, Phil said: Haha, yep same vibes. Unless Iām drunk thereās no way Iām standing outside in a bonafide lightning barrage. The park here does have one of those small round gazebos, I could maybe stand under its roof as long as there's not a bunch of annoying wind that comes with a storm. Not getting my camera soaked like I did once or twice in K-Falls.Ā Quote Ashland, KY Weather '23-'24 Winter Snowfall - 5.50" First freeze: 11/1 (32) Minimum: 2 on 1/17 Measurable snows: 4 Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19) Thunders: 26 1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15 3/26, 3/30, 3/31, 4/2, 4/3, 4/8, 5/4, 5/5, 5/6, 5/7 5/8, 5/15, 5/21, 5/22, 5/26, 5/27,Ā Severe storms: 2 ------------------------------------------------------- [Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021] https://imgur.com/SuGTijl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Fire situation is pretty scary over here today, expecting 30mph gusts later and 100 degrees.Ā I have a bad feeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 "Chilly" minimums haven't really been a thing here in the summer for decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatyorologist Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Ozette. Super weird temp profile in this area. It was absurdly muggy during the hike toward the beach, something like a 95/75 spread. This is with a swamplike terrain and vividly green marshland. Felt like Louisiana again. Then you hit the marine air right on the coast and the temperatures drop into the 60s with a persistent haze and a stiff breeze. Pretty fascinating gradient to behold. Quote Weather stats for MBY Snowfall: -Total snowfall since joining:Ā 50.25" -2018-19: 21" -2019-20: 2.5" -2020-21:Ā 13" -2021-22:Ā 8.75" -2022-23:Ā 5.75" -2023-24*: 0.25" -Most recent snowfall:Ā 0.25ā; January 17th, 2024 -Largest snowfall (single storm):Ā 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021 -Largest snow depth:Ā 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019 Temperatures: -Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021 -Coldest:Ā 13F; December 27th, 2021 -Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerGarfield Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Cloud said: An impressive heatwave but the end is near. Got some dews forming on cars when leaving work this morning. Only means it was a bit cooler morning compared to the last 3 mornings. Can also feel it!Ā Even out here, I noticed that. Went to sleep and had to put a shirt on later in the night. Then was a bit too cold after that. Tomorrow will still be warm at my location but high 80's with a low in 50's is much more tolerable than 100/mid 70's. Quote Garfield County/Pomeroy, WA: 2023-2024 Snowfall totals: 14.3 inches HIghest snow total (per event): 5.8 inches total 1/11/24 - 1/12/24. Most recent accumulation (non trace): 0.20 inches on 2/26/24 Days withĀ trace or more snowfall: 12/01/23 (0.60), 1/8/24 (1.0), 1/10/24 (3.5), 1/11/23 (3.5 inches with Thundersnow; separate event from prior day), 1/12/24 (2.30). 1/14/24 (T), 1/17/24 (1.20 inches), 1/18/24 (1.5 inches), 1/19/24 (0.20), 2/09/24 (0.30), 2/26/24 (0.20-mainly graupel), 4/5/24 (T) First Freeze: 10/27/2023 Last Sub freezing Day: 1/20/24 (12th) (8 days in a row from 1/12/24-1/20/24) Coldest low: -12F (!!!!!!!!) (1/12/24) Last White Christmas: 2022 at my location (on ground) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, BLI snowman said: "Chilly" minimums haven't really been a thing here in the summer for decades. Lots of people were reporting lows in the 40s in June and July.Ā Ā Tyler was doing so quite frequently as an example.Ā Ā You can just blanket say summer is always warm now and of course there is general warming happening regardless of the SSTAs and that is a dominant factor.Ā Ā But I believe this summer provides some evidence of the nuances of warmer and colder than normal SSTAs off our coast having an impact on the weather farther inland.Ā Ā Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, BLI snowman said: "Chilly" minimums haven't really been a thing here in the summer for decades. Thank you.Ā Quote SnowfallĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Precip 2022-23: 95.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2021-22: 91.46"Ā 2020-21: 12.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2012-13: 78.45Ā Ā 2011-12: 98.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill!Ā Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Thank you.Ā Too simplified and lacking nuance.Ā See above.Ā Ā Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 I'm just saying, I think a lot of people are looking at pretty colors on a map and not realizing just how cold the ocean temps still are... The water off Garibaldi is currently 7.5F above normal, but its still only 62.6F. Charleston Oregon is about 2.5F above normal, but their ocean temp is currently 55.8.Ā Quote SnowfallĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Precip 2022-23: 95.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2021-22: 91.46"Ā 2020-21: 12.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2012-13: 78.45Ā Ā 2011-12: 98.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill!Ā Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, SilverFallsAndrew said: I'm just saying, I think a lot of people are looking at pretty colors on a map and not realizing just how cold the ocean temps still are... The water off Garibaldi is currently 7.5F above normal, but its still only 62.6F. Charleston Oregon is about 2.5F above normal, but their ocean temp is currently 55.8.Ā I am saying it's all relative compared to our averages.Ā Ā Ā Warmer than normal is still warmer than normal even if it's still cold relatively speaking. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Lots of people were reporting lows in the 40s in June and July.Ā Ā Tyler was doing so quite frequently as an example.Ā Ā You can just blanket say summer is always warm now and of course there is general warming happening regardless of the SSTAs and that is a dominant factor.Ā Ā But I believe this summer provides some evidence of the nuances of warmer and colder than normal SSTAs off our coast having an impact on the weather farther inland.Ā Ā Puget Sound temps are likely to be astronomically more important than Pacific SSTs. The depth of the marine layer is often below the peaks of the Olympics, and low level/BL advection isnāt exactly strong in the summer. Itās more likely the warm/dry pattern warmed Puget Sound water temperatures sufficiently to warm the marine inversion/BL. Quote Live Weather Cam:Ā https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS WundergroundĀ https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA:Ā https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Ā Just now, TT-SEA said: I am saying it's all relative compared to our averages.Ā Ā Ā Warmer than normal is still warmer than normal even if it's still cold relatively speaking. Yeah true. But the land temps have warmed correspondingly, so IMO that doesn't explain the lack of marine layer, you could make a better argument for marine layer days being correspondingly warmer, I don't think it explains the absence of the marine layer though.Ā Ā Quote SnowfallĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Precip 2022-23: 95.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2021-22: 91.46"Ā 2020-21: 12.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2012-13: 78.45Ā Ā 2011-12: 98.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill!Ā Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWx Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, Phil said: Puget Sound temps are likely to be astronomically more important than Pacific SSTs. The depth of the marine layer is often below the peaks of the Olympics, and low level/BL advection isnāt exactly strong in the summer. Itās more likely the warm/dry pattern warmer Puget Sound water temperatures enough to warm the marine inversion/BL. I was thinking about the Puget sound temperatures as well earlier. They definitely peak in warmth in august/September which could be a factor too.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, Phil said: Puget Sound temps are likely to be astronomically more important than Pacific SSTs. The depth of the marine layer is often below the peaks of the Olympics, and low level/BL advection isnāt exactly strong in the summer. Itās more likely the warm/dry pattern warmed Puget Sound water temperatures sufficiently to warm the marine inversion/BL. According to the numbers I'm looking at Port Angeles water temps are about 1F below normal, Tacoma +1F, and Friday Harbor is +2.3F.Ā Quote SnowfallĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Precip 2022-23: 95.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2021-22: 91.46"Ā 2020-21: 12.0"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2012-13: 78.45Ā Ā 2011-12: 98.5"Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill!Ā Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Phil said: Puget Sound temps are likely to be astronomically more important than Pacific SSTs. The depth of the marine layer is often below the peaks of the Olympics, and low level/BL advection isnāt exactly strong in the summer. Itās more likely the warm/dry pattern warmer Puget Sound water temperatures enough to warm the marine inversion/BL. I think the SSTAs offshore have some impact all the way to the Cascade foothills in the summer.Ā Ā It might not be a dominant factor but it is present.Ā Ā Ā Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, TacomaWx said: I was thinking about the Puget sound temperatures as well earlier. They definitely peak in warmth in august/September which could be a factor too.Ā Itās definitely a factor. Probably ātheā factor. Especially because theyāre significantly warmer than pacific SSTAs I actually agree with Andrew for once lol. Quote Live Weather Cam:Ā https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS WundergroundĀ https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA:Ā https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YahRaEl Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 This was from Cliff Mass in 2020 increased warmth at night and slightly more humid when waters off the coast are warmer. Quote Eastside Tacoma/Salishan, WA. Elv 263ft Family home in Spanaway, WA. Elv 413ft ā„š Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted August 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Clouds. Low of 68 here, currently 71. Quote Summer grows while WinterĀ Ā goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, SilverFallsAndrew said: According to the numbers I'm looking at Port Angeles water temps are about 1F below normal, Tacoma +1F, and Friday Harbor is +2.3F.Ā The Strait is different than the south Sound.Ā Ā I don't think SSTAs in the central and south Sound have much of an impact on local weather unless you are on the shoreline.Ā Ā The strength of marine pushes through the Chehalis Gap and the Strait are much more impactful to our local weather up here.Ā Ā Ā Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Just now, TT-SEA said: I think the SSTAs offshore have some impact all the way to the Cascade foothills in the summer.Ā Ā It might not be a dominant factor but it is present.Ā Ā Ā The pattern that produced the warm NE-Pacific SSTAs is associated with reduced marine influence/less onshore flow. That subsequently warmed Puget Sound which inhibits the marine inversion from propagating farther inland (erodes inversion since sound is significantly warmer than the Pacific). Correlation, not causation. Quote Live Weather Cam:Ā https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS WundergroundĀ https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA:Ā https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 1 minute ago, ChristheElohim said: This was from Cliff Mass in 2020 increased warmth at night and slightly more humid when waters off the coast are warmer. Thatās an insufficient analysis, though. The NE-Pacific SST warming is driven by the same pattern that reduces marine influence over the Puget Sound region, which leads to warming of those waters, which given speed of low level/BL winds, must be astronomically more important to BL/surface temps. Quote Live Weather Cam:Ā https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS WundergroundĀ https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA:Ā https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Phil said: The pattern that produced the warm NE-Pacific SSTAs is associated with reduced marine influence/less onshore flow. That subsequently warmed Puget Sound which inhibits the marine inversion from propagating farther inland (erodes inversion since sound is significantly warmer than the Pacific). Correlation, not causation. Yes... you can go back to what caused the water to warm and it had to be related to the upper level pattern.Ā Ā But once the warmer than normal water is in place... it tends to lead to warmer temps overall locally all else being equal.Ā Ā Obviously a strong upper level trough will still overwhelm any impact of the SSTAs offshore. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted August 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 Is the writerās strike affecting the forum too? This seems like a re run. Quote Summer grows while WinterĀ Ā goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 17, 2023 Report Share Posted August 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Phil said: Itās definitely a factor. Probably ātheā factor. Especially because theyāre significantly warmer than pacific SSTAs I actually agree with Andrew for once lol. Nah, it's not just areas near Puget Sound that have seen warner lows once the SSTAs warmed. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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