November 2023 Weather in the PNW

[TT-SEA]

4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Still can't grow much where I live.

That might be related to a lack of effort.    You have fairly long, warm summers there.   Certainly much warmer than @Port Angeles Foothiller and he does well.   My area has proven to be great for gardening.   We also grow pinot noir and cabernet sauvignon grapes on our trellises and get great results by the end of every summer.   Just doesn't make sense that you can't grow anything in your area.

[Cold Snap]

Had a low of 27. Only up to 32 now with some dense fog.

[TT-SEA]

12Z ECMWF is not running for some reason.

[RentonHill]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

12Z ECMWF is not running for some reason.

major power outage. 

[RentonHill]

 

 

@Phil what does this mean

[Phishy Wx]

5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

12Z ECMWF is not running for some reason.

its protesting the GFS

[Phishy Wx]

3 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

 

 

@Phil what does this mean

La Nino or EL Nina?

[ShawniganLake]

9 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

That might be related to a lack of effort.    You have fairly long, warm summers there.   Certainly much warmer than @Port Angeles Foothiller and he does well.   My area has proven to be great for gardening.   We also grow pinot noir and cabernet sauvignon grapes on our trellises and get great results by the end of every summer.   Just doesn't make sense that you can't grow anything in your area.

During cold wet springs, I have been known to not plant warm season veggies until the end of June and we still get decent harvests.  I’m pretty sure Andrew just doesn’t have the time or energy to try.  There are tomato and cucumber varieties that will mature in less than 50 days. 

[RentonHill]

Just now, ShawniganLake said:

During cold wet springs, I have been known to not plant warm season veggies until the end of June and we still get decent harvests.  I’m pretty sure Andrew just doesn’t have the time or energy to try.  There are tomato and cucumber varieties that will mature in less than 50 days. 

I wouldnt have the time for a veggie garden either if I had 8 kids with two more on the way. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

That might be related to a lack of effort.    You have fairly long, warm summers there.   Certainly much warmer than @Port Angeles Foothiller and he does well.   My area has proven to be great for gardening.   We also grow pinot noir and cabernet sauvignon grapes on our trellises and get great results by the end of every summer.   Just doesn't make sense that you can't grow anything in your area.

Silly comment. 

My location is much more damp than his and much colder than your area. We also have very little direct sunlight on our property. It is typically very wet in the spring until well into June (many years, obviously not this year.), and we get frost into May most years. By early September we get cold nights, very little direct sunlight, and if we have had any rain, it is just damp and never dries out. 

We can do great with kale, lettuce, peas, some squash, sometimes pumpkins. Tomatoes, corn, things like that are a complete lost cause. Green beans do okay. 

[Phishy Wx]

4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Silly comment. 

My location is much more damp than his and much colder than your area. We also have very little direct sunlight on our property. It is typically very wet in the spring until well into June (many years, obviously not this year.), and we get frost into May most years. By early September we get cold nights, very little direct sunlight, and if we have had any rain, it is just damp and never dries out. 

We can do great with kale, lettuce, peas, some squash, sometimes pumpkins. Tomatoes, corn, things like that are a complete lost cause. Green beans do okay. 

Cannabis Indica would do well there I bet

[TT-SEA]

5 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

During cold wet springs, I have been known to not plant warm season veggies until the end of June and we still get decent harvests.  I’m pretty sure Andrew just doesn’t have the time or energy to try.  There are tomato and cucumber varieties that will mature in less than 50 days. 

We had a very cold spring last year in 2022... and we still planted everything at the end of April and then not much growth in May but then everything absolutely exploded in early June with that wet/humid pattern and it was a crazy good year for the garden.

[Phishy Wx]

5 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

I wouldnt have the time for a veggie garden either if I had 8 kids with two more on the way. 

How big of a carbon footprint is that?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Looks like Silver Falls had 6 90+ highs this summer and 17 days that hit at least 85. 

[Brian_in_Leavenworth]

FYI the Euro is having data problems and it looks like its not being run.  Guessing we're not missing anything.

[TT-SEA]

8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Silly comment. 

My location is much more damp than his and much colder than your area. We also have very little direct sunlight on our property. It is typically very wet in the spring until well into June (many years, obviously not this year.), and we get frost into May most years. By early September we get cold nights, very little direct sunlight, and if we have had any rain, it is just damp and never dries out. 

We can do great with kale, lettuce, peas, some squash, sometimes pumpkins. Tomatoes, corn, things like that are a complete lost cause. Green beans do okay. 

Lack of direct sunlight on your property is obviously a specific issue not related to climate.   I bet you could have a very productive garden in the right setting even in your area.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

We had a very cold spring last year in 2022... and we still planted everything at the end of April and then not much growth in May but then everything absolutely exploded in early June with that wet/humid pattern and it was a crazy good year for the garden.

I'm sorry we can't all be the best at everything like you are. 

Seriously though, I've seen your garden, raised beds, full sun. I'm sure if I did that I would do better, the full sun is just not possible on this property, which makes it extremely damp on this property on all but the hottest days. By mid-September everything left in the garden just molds. 

[SnowySeeker50]

Low of 29 and currently 34 degrees with fog.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

Lack of direct sunlight on your property is obviously a specific issue not related to climate.   I bet you could have a very productive garden in the right setting even in your area.

I don't know of anyone up here that has a big garden in which they grow a diverse array of garden crops like you do. Zucchini, peas, green beans, sure.

I do know several people with great gardens who live in the zone above Silverton Reservoir around 1000' or so. 

[TT-SEA]

3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I'm sorry we can't all be the best at everything like you are. 

Seriously though, I've seen your garden, raised beds, full sun. I'm sure if I did that I would do better, the full sun is just not possible on this property, which makes it extremely damp on this property on all but the hottest days. By mid-September everything left in the garden just molds. 

Lack of direct sun would be a real bummer.    Its nice to have a time of year when everything is not damp and moldy.  

[Phishy Wx]

at this point last year I had already had close to 9" of snow.

[MossMan]

Skykomish loveliness! 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

Lack of direct sun would be a real bummer.    Its nice to have a time of year when everything is not damp and moldy.  

This time of year there is some sunlight on some sections of the property from about 10a-2p. We cool off very quickly on clear evenings. The soil does drain very nicely up here though. Growing up in the valley it was always muddy in the winter. Not so much up here. Though I do prefer the ground to be either frozen or covered in snow during the winter months. 

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

This time of year there is some sunlight on some sections of the property from about 10a-2p. We cool off very quickly on clear evenings. The soil does drain very nicely up here though. Growing up in the valley it was always muddy in the winter. Not so much up here. Though I do prefer the ground to be either frozen or covered in snow during the winter months. 

Our soil drains very fast and the ground is quite rocky here... which is problematic for grass.   Everything turns brown up here much faster in the summer than it does down in the valley.   

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

Our soil drains very fast and the ground is quite rocky here... which is problematic for grass.   Everything turns brown up here much faster in the summer than it does down in the valley.   

Interesting. It is actually not rocky at all here. 

[ShawniganLake]

32 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said:

at this point last year I had already had close to 9" of snow.

Snowfall here is running about 3” ahead of last year’s pace.  Last winter I had close to 60”.  Wouldn’t be surprised if we finished this season with 1/4 of that.  

[TT-SEA]

Satellite shows the river valley from Everett to Fall City still socked in with fog with sunshine across the rest of the Puget Sound area... also can see snow in the north and central Cascades.

[Phishy Wx]

3 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

Snowfall here is running about 3” ahead of last year’s pace.  Last winter I had close to 60”.  Wouldn’t be surprised if we finished this season with 1/4 of that.  

yeah we had like 62" I think, nothing so far this year.  I don't see us getting close to that number

[TT-SEA]

Still some nice fall color in Seattle...

[the_convergence_zone]

34.5 last night, my second-coldest night of the fall. Should be getting my first freeze soon, maybe tonight. Sea-Tac was close last night with 33. 

 

[ShawniganLake]

Looking at the ensembles it looks likely that the coldest airmass of the remainder of this month will swing through this weekend 

[RentonHill]

19 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Still some nice fall color in Seattle...

Looking out your way I can just barely see the top of some fog in the lower snoqualmie valley. 


here’s the fall city airport cam that still looks fogged in 

http://www.1wa6.com/cam_west_big.html

 

[LowerGarfield]

Has anyone seen OSU',s new hardiness zone map? Did anyone change zones?

[Snownerd3000]

1 hour ago, RentonHill said:

 

 

@Phil what does this mean

Beat me to it! Was just about to share this. 

[Cold Snap]

18 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

Looking out your way I can just barely see the top of some fog in the lower snoqualmie valley. 


here’s the fall city airport cam that still looks fogged in 

http://www.1wa6.com/cam_west_big.html

 

Yeah it’s still kind of foggy here. Though it’s slowly starting to burn off. Can see the sun peeking through now.

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

42 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

Looking out your way I can just barely see the top of some fog in the lower snoqualmie valley. 

 

Is that the view from where you work? That is an amazing view!

[Phishy Wx]

46 minutes ago, LowerGarfield said:

Has anyone seen OSU',s new hardiness zone map? Did anyone change zones?

I posted it earlier in the thread

[Phishy Wx]

 

 

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

This is the first time i can remember in ten years not having snow on the ground over at the cabin this late.

[the_convergence_zone]

Oh look, the 12Z Euro is finally coming in!