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January Weather In The PNW 2024 (Part III) - The Warming Shot


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33 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

This wood stove cranks out 90k btu running wide open. I can have the house 80 degrees if I like even when it's 15 outside. 

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Ours is closer to 80k btu but we can heat 2400 ft2 with it if we wanted. Takes a bit to heat the second floor though.  Wood stoves get a bad reputation because people don’t use them properly or burn wet wood.  If ours is going good and the wood is dry there is zero smoke coming out of the chimney.  A lot of people burn wet wood or turn the air down before they get to temperature and they end up smoking out the neighbors. 

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4 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

Ours is closer to 80k btu but we can heat 2400 ft2 with it if we wanted. Takes a bit to heat the second floor though.  Wood stoves get a bad reputation because people don’t use them properly or burn wet wood.  If ours is going good and the wood is dry there is zero smoke coming out of the chimney.  A lot of people burn wet wood or turn the air down before they get to temperature and they end up smoking out the neighbors. 

I am very picky on burning wood.

Mine is seasoned 2 years and I only burn fir and Madrona.

Look how clean my window is on the stove, I haven't cleaned it in a year. 

When the power is out we cook on it and it works great.

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48 minutes ago, MossMan said:

When we do a full remodel in the house hopefully sometime within the next 10yrs I do want to add a wood burning stove. Would probably still have a propane one as well like we have now but have it in the bedroom and have the wood burner in the living room. I absolutely miss having the wood burner. The memory of the house I grew up in that my parents built is still deep inside, having a fire going Christmas morning 1990 and looking out at our snow covered 5 wooded acres and being about 75 lovely degrees inside the house…Perfection! 

The house just sold last year and I got these pics off of Redfin…Absolute time capsule as it was exactly the same inside minus minor kitchen updates since 1991 when my parents sold it during their divorce. Anyway, Nothing like wood burning heat. 

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57 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

12Z EPS 

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Lots of pink and white maps there for Shawnigan Lake.  A bit of a south shift would be more favourable.  That storm track would normally bring snow here in the winter even without the cold snap we are seeing currently.  

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1 minute ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

Saw a little ice in the Puyallup river as it flowed into the sound in Tacoma. I also saw a little ice floating on the surface by the boats in the harbor. Can’t remember ever seeing that in the Tacoma waterfront. 🥶🥶

Before you feel too impressed just keep in mind that MossMan didn’t get much snow this one time 😢

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1 minute ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Before you feel too impressed just keep in mind that MossMan didn’t get much snow this one time 😢

I was so torn, I wished I had went to the cabin to experience the cold. The rivers up there are frozen over!

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33 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

I wish we knew what happened around here in the last 500 years. 1880 could be small compared to what had happened.  If you lined everything up perfectly with a arctic trough and a AR event you could smash the area with feet and feet of snow

 

The cool thing is the PNW's varied terrain means a stable source of moisture is the main limiting factor.

We essentially have Arctic air trapped in the intermountain west against its will, ready to be tapped into with the slightest offshore gradient. All that flat terrain east of the Rockies is a double-edged sword. Yeah you can get deep Arctic air, but it blows east just as fast. Hard to trap air (except in the lee of the Appalachians south of Philly)

That means Seattle's high end snow potential is ironically leagues higher than NYC or Boston or the like. Just need the perfect pattern.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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27 minutes ago, Slushy Inch said:

Still a chance. A few more south this run 

Perhaps a November 1996 repeat! A low was supposed to track just like the one this week is looking to track, and was supposed to only be a Whatcom special after a very brief rain/snow mix…Well it came in south of Olympia and blasted everything north of it. Rich Marriott was stunned but each weather segment of the morning news that morning he kept saying that the snow that was falling would turn to rain any moment…That moment never came and the puget sound had a wide spread snow event. Ended up with 6” or so at my place. I still have a VHS tape of King 5 news that morning and Rich being in disbelief! 

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9 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

PDX holding at 21 as of noon, with light ESE winds. Let’s see if they can stay below 25 today.

The plus side of staying socked in the clouds. The downside is we cap potential cooling tonight. But if we can maximize it tomorrow night we could get an 11:59pm low. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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3 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

I am very picky on burning wood.

Mine is seasoned 2 years and I only burn fir and Madrona.

Look how clean my window is on the stove, I haven't cleaned it in a year. 

When the power is out we cook on it and it works great.

Some times someone else gets the fire going and I’ll come home and the glass is all dirty.  I hate not being able to see the fire so I crank the air up and it’ll burn the glass clean in awhile. 

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1 minute ago, Meatyorologist said:

The cool thing is the PNW's varied terrain means a stable source of moisture is the main limiting factor.

We essentially have Arctic air trapped in the intermountain west against its will, ready to be tapped into with the slightest offshore gradient. All that flat terrain east of the Rockies is a double-edged sword. Yeah you can get deep Arctic air, but it blows east just as fast. Hard to trap air (except in the lee of the Appalachians south of Philly)

That means Seattle's high end snow potential is ironically leagues higher than NYC or Boston or the like. Just need the perfect pattern.

If this trough had went another 100 miles west it would of carved out just enough to send one low pressure wave after another right over us. It would of been absurdity and the coldest onshore flow in decades.

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50 minutes ago, MossMan said:

When we do a full remodel in the house hopefully sometime within the next 10yrs I do want to add a wood burning stove. Would probably still have a propane one as well like we have now but have it in the bedroom and have the wood burner in the living room. I absolutely miss having the wood burner. The memory of the house I grew up in that my parents built is still deep inside, having a fire going Christmas morning 1990 and looking out at our snow covered 5 wooded acres and being about 75 lovely degrees inside the house…Perfection! 

The house just sold last year and I got these pics off of Redfin…Absolute time capsule as it was exactly the same inside minus minor kitchen updates since 1991 when my parents sold it during their divorce. Anyway, Nothing like wood burning heat. 

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42 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

This wood stove cranks out 90k btu running wide open. I can have the house 80 degrees if I like even when it's 15 outside. 

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I’m stalled out on my remodel but the room is ready. I just need to stay home long enough to make it happen.  I need to find my plans I drew up but this is the general idea.  Sort of and inclosed wood stove burning area.  Then I want to run and oversized rustic timber above it.  The wood stove would be bigger then the one in the photo.  Would love to snag my parents Franklin stove as that thing kept the house hot and we cooked on it as well during the Portland ice storms (power outages).   Fun dreaming up ideas like this 

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Got this video from a source in the Eugene/Springfield metroplex. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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Seeing temps in the 40s south of Bend now, while north of Redmond temps hang in the single digits. Stuck around 20 here while Horse Creek at 3500’ to our east is into the upper 30s. Live look. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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3 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Perhaps a November 1996 repeat! A low was supposed to track just like the one this week is looking to track, and was supposed to only be a Whatcom special after a very brief rain/snow mix…Well it came in south of Olympia and blasted everything north of it. Rich Marriott was stunned but each weather segment of the morning news that morning he kept saying that the snow that was falling would turn to rain any moment…That moment never came and the puget sound had a wide spread snow event. Ended up with 6” or so at my place. I still have a VHS tape of King 5 news that morning and Rich being in disbelief! 

I remember that one. Still to this day the fastest and hardest I have seen it snow and accumulate was Nov 1985. I was in 7th grade and when we got to school at around 745 there was 2 inches that Harry wapler said would turn to rain and by noon there was over 1 foot! I'd love to see sat pics from that set up.

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I get why my fellow Puget Sounders are weenie-ing out, and I would have loved a big ticket snow storm as much as anyone else, but I can’t be too disappointed with this. I got to experience a sub-20 high with gap winds making the wind chill below zero during the day yesterday. Also today should be my third straight sub freezing high and we got a chance at four tomorrow. We got almost a 1/2” from the arctic front which at least made the ground white for a little bit. And tons of frozen waterfalls, etc. that we don’t see during a pedestrian cold snap with sloppy wet snow. All in all a memorable event here.

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3 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

If this trough had went another 100 miles west it would have carved out just enough to send one low pressure wave after another right over us. It would have been absurdity and the coldest onshore flow in decades.

We were so close to something freaking epic….

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Seeing temps in the 40s south of Bend now, while north of Redmond temps hang in the single digits. Stuck around 20 here while Horse Creek at 3500’ to our east is into the upper 30s. Live look. 

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Just got to 20 here. Lava Butte is about 4 miles south of me and is 40. 

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Elevation: 3550'

 

Snow History:

Nov: 1"

Dec: .5"

Jan: 1.9"

Feb: 12.7"

Mar: 1.0"

Total: 17.1"

 

2016/2017: 70"

2015/2016: 34"

Average: ~25"

 

2017/2018 Winter Temps

Lowest Min: 1F on 2/23

Lowest Max: 23F on 12/24, 2/22

Lows <32: 87

Highs <32: 13

 

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1 minute ago, DareDuck said:

Just got to 20 here. Lava Butte is about 4 miles south of me and is 40. 

Could be a cold night for you I’m guessing. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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16 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The plus side of staying socked in the clouds. The downside is we cap potential cooling tonight. But if we can maximize it tomorrow night we could get an 11:59pm low. 

You know I will be watching those five minute obs like a HAWK 🦅 Andrew.

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16 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

If this trough had went another 100 miles west it would have carved out just enough to send one low pressure wave after another right over us. It would have been absurdity and the coldest onshore flow in decades.

Or the block would of pinched off and only northern areas would of gotten snow with cold hugging the border. That’s happened a lot in recent years. It was nice to see the low level cold make a full penetration this time IMO.

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46 minutes ago, Roman-Dallas Snow-Zone said:

I had a bad nightmare last night while asleep. While all of us had been enjoying our arctic cold and snow we were struck with the massive 9.0 cascadia earthquake. The sheer terror I felt and destruction of the quake and tsunami in this cold was pure hell. I woke up before too long and sighed a breath of relief that it was just a dream... I hope that quake never hits but I know it’s pretty much inevitable at some point. 

I had this same thought too while sitting in my powerless house last.

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20 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The plus side of staying socked in the clouds. The downside is we cap potential cooling tonight. But if we can maximize it tomorrow night we could get an 11:59pm low. 

Think it might try to clear out some tonight. Fog and sh*t. 

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1 minute ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Or the block would have pinched off and only northern areas would have gotten snow with cold hugging the border. That’s happened a lot in recent years. It was nice to see the low level cold make a full penetration this time IMO.

 We have seen that a lot in recent years.  It’s such a fine line once the trough digs out over the ocean.  The arctic trough gets hung up In Northern Washington as low pressure develops offshore.  It was nice to see a real airmass swing through. 

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37 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

The cool thing is the PNW's varied terrain means a stable source of moisture is the main limiting factor.

We essentially have Arctic air trapped in the intermountain west against its will, ready to be tapped into with the slightest offshore gradient. All that flat terrain east of the Rockies is a double-edged sword. Yeah you can get deep Arctic air, but it blows east just as fast. Hard to trap air (except in the lee of the Appalachians south of Philly)

That means Seattle's high end snow potential is ironically leagues higher than NYC or Boston or the like. Just need the perfect pattern.

Does that mean its still coming? Is Meatyorologist on record for saying that we will slammed with snows not seen since the Nootka Crisis?

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1 hour ago, MossMan said:

Soooo this!!! My 8 years working at the senior community which included big events as 11/06, 1/07, 12/08, 11/10, 2/11 (or 2/10 I can never get that Feb event year correct) and 1/12…And GOOD LORD these seniors do not change their routines one bit no matter what, and everything has to be done RIGHT NOW even though they have nowhere to be. 
The resident of this car asked us to dig it out (12/08) so they could go shopping at QFC since they go to QFC that day of the week every week. 
Even though we have a small grocery store on site along with a restaurant. 🤦‍♂️

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My mom has gotten so set in her ways.   My sister lives in San Diego and since my dad died we have been telling her she needs get down there.   She spent the last 2 years just going to the nursing home every day and never went more than 5 miles from home because she was afraid something would happen when she was gone.  Her excuse for not going down to San Diego for a couple weeks during the winter months?   She said she needs to be home to get the mail every day.   No amount of rationalization will get her to change her mind.  🤪

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My mom has gotten so set in her ways.   My sister lives in San Diego and since my dad died we have been telling her she needs get down there.   She spent the last 2 years just going to the nursing home every day and never went more than 5 miles from home because she was afraid something would happen when she was gone.  Her excuse for not going down to San Diego for a couple weeks during the winter months?   She said she needs to be home to get the mail every day.   No amount of rationalization will get he to change her mind.  🤪

Its got to be a control thing. We have my wife's grandmother living with us. She has her faculties, just circulotory issues after a heart valve replacement a couple years ago. She is a go-go grandma in her mid 80s, and yet things like managing medication or getting rid of a throw rug designed to break hips is just beyond her grasp. So now we have grandma living with us in what she thinks is just a snowbird visit from her place in Sequim.

Cheers to my MiL who thinks that helping is "coming by once a week to maybe bring lunch" but then berates my wife about how all the doctors are not helping.

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5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

My mom has gotten so set in her ways.   My sister lives in San Diego and since my dad died we have been telling her she needs get down there.   She spent the last 2 years just going to the nursing home every day and never went more than 5 miles from home because she was afraid something would happen when she was gone.  Her excuse for not going down to San Diego for a couple weeks during the winter months?   She said she needs to be home to get the mail every day.   No amount of rationalization will get her to change her mind.  🤪

I had no idea Dad died.  Sorry man.

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Still a bit of freezing mist here. Ice is almost 2” thick in some places.

Our internet is out so I’m just using phone signal.

AT&T has one bar of service in downtown Springfield…

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 20 (Most recent: Feb 13, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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