Rubus Leucodermis Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Doinko said: PDX was 29/11 6 years ago under an inversion and Hillsboro was 25/3. Perfectly timed inversion, right after the 13" of snow. It was nowhere near as dramatic, but when Bellingham scored a quick slushy 3" on the winter solstice in 2021, it triggered several days of cold inversion with temps way below what the models were calling for. 3 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doinko Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: It was nowhere near as dramatic, but when Bellingham scored a quick slushy 3" on the winter solstice in 2021, it triggered several days of cold inversion with temps way below what the models were calling for. That inversion stretch in mid-November was also pretty nice. Got down to the low 20s a few times I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slushy Inch Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chris said: It's coming....maybe I'm not really interested in 384 OP runs for 10mb temps; do we even know how it effects the surface? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentonHill Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, 12345WeatherNerd said: I'm not really interested in 384 OP runs for 10mb temps; do we even know how it effects the surface? 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 57/43 at SEA today... good for another +7 on the day and puts January around +4.0 so far nearing the half-way point. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doinko Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: 57/43 at SEA today... good for another +7 on the day and puts January around +4.0 so far nearing the half-way point. I'm surprised it's been that warm there. 49/43 at PDX and a +2.3 departure for the month so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWx Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 56/40 today. 3rd +55 high this month and 5th +50 high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWx Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: 57/43 at SEA today... good for another +7 on the day and puts January around +4.0 so far nearing the half-way point. +2.4 here. The first 4 days of the month were just a bit above normal but the last week has been very warm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentonHill Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 The year over year volatility of Portland's average August temperature over time 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuyallupChris Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, TacomaWx said: It was really the Portland/Vancouver area that didn’t do well. There was a huge snow event south of Portland and TWL got hit hard. This is the first time I realized why people called my area The Swamp. Just down the hill in Puyallup it was still a good event, but we got much less than everyone just a few miles in any direction. I seem to remember like 14"+ south towards Graham and North toward Federal Way, but maybe 6 inches here. Seems like a lame move to be grumpy about 5-6 inches of snow, but hearing the entire region call it a legendary, once in a century storm while we got a pretty traditional snowfall was particularly annoying. Then I realized that happens a lot here. Woops. My wife says we're in some kind of bowl where we get neither snow, nor cell phone reception despite being in a busy suburban neighborhood 5 minutes from a shopping mall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelgombiner Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, 12345WeatherNerd said: I'm not really interested in 384 OP runs for 10mb temps; do we even know how it effects the surface? Sometimes it affects the surface and sometimes it doesn't, according to NOAA stratosphere expert Amy Butler. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/understanding-arctic-polar-vortex According to NOAA stratosphere expert Amy Butler, people often confuse the polar vortex with the polar jet stream, but the two are in completely separate layers of the atmosphere. The polar jet stream occurs in the troposphere, at altitudes between 5-9 miles above the surface. It marks the boundary between surface air masses, separating warmer, mid-latitude air and colder, polar air. It’s the polar jet stream that plays such a big role in our day-to-day winter weather in the mid-latitudes, not the polar vortex. The polar vortex and our winter weather The polar vortex doesn’t always influence winter weather in the mid-latitudes. When it does, however, the effects can be extreme. When the polar vortex is especially strong, for example, the polar jet steam tends to stay farther north and to exhibit a more zonal flow, with less meandering. At the surface, this stable stratospheric state is often associated with an even colder than usual Arctic, and milder-than-usual weather in the mid-latitudes. The Arctic Oscillation, which tracks hemisphere-scale wind and air pressure patterns, is often positive. On the other hand, she said, plenty of Arctic cold air outbreaks happen in a given winter without any help from the polar vortex. Not to mention, sometimes the polar vortex is disrupted and there are few, if any, impacts on the weather down at the surface. 1 1 Quote Useful weather links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWx Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just now, PuyallupChris said: This is the first time I realized why people called my area The Swamp. Just down the hill in Puyallup it was still a good event, but we got much less than everyone just a few miles in any direction. I seem to remember like 14"+ south towards Graham and North toward Federal Way, but maybe 6 inches here. Seems like a lame move to be grumpy about 5-6 inches of snow, but hearing the entire region call it a legendary, once in a century storm while we got a pretty traditional snowfall was particularly annoying. Then I realized that happens a lot here. Woops. My wife says we're in some kind of bowl where we get neither snow, nor cell phone reception despite being in a busy suburban neighborhood 5 minutes from a shopping mall. We had 22” of snow here during 4 separate snow events. We picked up 2” of snow on 2/4. Then 9” 2/8-2/9 which was the biggest snow. We picked up 5” of snow in just 2 hours on the night of 2/10. That night @MR.SNOWMIZER also had thundersnow. The overrunning event was heavier than expected with another 6” on 2/11. The snow stuck around here until late February…then we had some more snow in early March! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWx Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 Pretty ridiculous ride 2/3 39/31 snow TR. 2/4 30/19 snow 2” 2/5 32/21 2/6 35/21 2/7 37/23 2/8 35/30 snow 5” 2/9 31/27 snow 4” 2/10 32/16 snow 5” 2/11 36/29 snow 6” 2/12 38/36 2/13 38/32 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 Feb 1 regional snowstorm begins. Or maybe a Phil Connors-style blizzard on Groundhog Day from MFR to SEA. 3 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RentonHill Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: Feb 1 regional snowstorm begins. Or maybe a Phil Connors-style blizzard on Groundhog Day from MFR to SEA. GEEFS Control tonight is straight 5 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Doinko said: I'm surprised it's been that warm there. 49/43 at PDX and a +2.3 departure for the month so far. 48/42 day here after a 50/32 yesterday. On the mild side but nothing too crazy. Grass is still brown. 1 1 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 hours ago, TT-SEA said: Cliff says La Nina is about done... https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2023/01/la-ninas-days-are-numbered.html We'll see. Still a lot of indicators showing it being well in control. In this case we have warming sub surface ocean temps, but an MJO wave emerging in La Nina's wheelhouse. Could be a false alarm like last year. Obviously the odds are in favor of the La Nina giving out, but no way to be sure yet. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 The models seem to be more excited about some potential chilly weather later this month on the last few runs. Even next week looks reasonably cool now. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 Certainly nothing here to show La Nina is done yet. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 First IO MJO wave in quite some time. VERY Nina friendly. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 Another awesome looking sky for my drive home this evening. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Inversions, like ice storms, get very little love here. It has always struck me as unfair. I like them. As I've said many times some of our coldest winters are a nice mix of real and fake cold. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: Certainly nothing here to show La Nina is done yet. Looks like its on an upward trajectory. The same image was used in the post about Nina fading. Either way... we have had 3 Nina summers in a row now and each one has been hotter. 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Looks like its on an upward trajectory. The same image was used in the post about Nina fading. Either way... we have had 3 Nina summers in a row now and each one has been hotter. Yup. Not sure what it would take to make this summer cooler. The point I was making is we had a spike at this time last year as well. 2 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWx Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Looks like its on an upward trajectory. The same image was used in the post about Nina fading. Either way... we have had 3 Nina summers in a row now and each one has been hotter. It looks like we’re on track for neutral conditions by March. We will see if next year is neutral or El Niño. Either way anything can happen in any given year as witnessed in 2019. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gummy Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 I am fine with a neutral spring with hopefully more seasonal temps than last year. That was painful. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 6 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: Yup. Not sure what it would take to make this summer cooler. The point I was making is we had a spike at this time last year as well. Ahhh... I see that earlier spike now. But for it to crash that fast again last spring was very unusual. Some think it might have been related to the Tonga eruption. I certainly would not be counting on that happening again in the same way as it did last year. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gummy said: I am fine with a neutral spring with hopefully more seasonal temps than last year. That was painful. Could not agree more. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthHillFrosty Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 Just tried out a battery powered leaf blower I got for Christmas……. Yea I’ll stick to gas powered ones lol 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Marine Layer Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said: Just tried out a battery powered leaf blower I got for Christmas……. Yea I’ll stick to gas powered ones lol Leaf blowers are too noisy. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelgombiner Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said: Just tried out a battery powered leaf blower I got for Christmas……. Yea I’ll stick to gas powered ones lol The gas ones put out way more air flow, and the landscaping industry is utterly dependent on them for leaf clean-up. Will be interesting what happens in 2025 when contractors will be banned from using gas ones in Seattle as planned https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-city-council-approves-plan-to-ban-gas-powered-leaf-blowers/. Either the battery ones need to improve a lot, or the good 'ol rake is making a comeback! And landscaping rates will go up because it takes more time to clean a property with a rake, broom, and electric blower. 1 Quote Useful weather links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelgombiner Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 Most landscapers just blow leaves into the street, where they're ground into a muddy pulp. One of the reasons the streets are such a mess. 1 1 Quote Useful weather links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, joelgombiner said: Most landscapers just blow leaves into the street, where they're ground into a muddy pulp. One of the reasons the streets are such a mess. I notice a lot of homeowners will blow grass/leaves/clippings right out into the street when mowing or blowing…Drives me INSANE! I guess nearly 20yrs of working grounds at a golf course and a large retirement community it’s etched in my brain that clippings are NOT to be blown onto the pavement or cart paths, etc. super ugly plus it’s highly dangerous for motorcyclists. I call it extreme laziness. Edited January 12, 2023 by MossMan 3 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, joelgombiner said: The gas ones put out way more air flow, and the landscaping industry is utterly dependent on them for leaf clean-up. Will be interesting what happens in 2025 when contractors will be banned from using gas ones in Seattle as planned https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-city-council-approves-plan-to-ban-gas-powered-leaf-blowers/. Either the battery ones need to improve a lot, or the good 'ol rake is making a comeback! And landscaping rates will go up because it takes more time to clean a property with a rake, broom, and electric blower. If they can make a powerful electric blower that equals my gas powered one with a battery that will last longer than 10 minutes I would be open to getting one. Until then…Gas for me! 2 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelgombiner Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 minute ago, MossMan said: I notice a lot of homeowners will blow grass/leaves/clippings right out into the street when mowing or blowing…Drives me INSANE! I guess nearly 20yrs of working grounds at a golf course and a large retirement community it’s etched in my brain that clippings are NOT to be blown onto the pavement or cart paths, etc. super ugly plus it’s highly dangerous for motorcyclists. I call it extreme laziness. I feel the same way about it! I think it comes down to economics as well as laziness. Landscapers want to make money, and the customers don't want to spend that much money on leaf clean-up. This results in the "mow and blow" operations that dominate the industry, where a couple guys blast the place clean in about 15 minutes (and essentially move the problem somewhere else, rather than fixing it). Classic externalized cost. 3 1 Quote Useful weather links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian_in_Leavenworth Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 GEFS long ranger 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doinko Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Brian_in_Leavenworth said: GEFS long ranger Even better than the last run. Strong signal too 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Inversions, like ice storms, get very little love here. It has always struck me as unfair. It was kind of awesome the morning of 12/23 when everything had an icy glaze on it…A type of color tinge I usually never see. 2 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, 12345WeatherNerd said: That's what I like to see. I'd take a bday cold snap (1/24) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said: I'd take a bday cold snap (1/24) Same day as my mother in law’s. 1 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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