PNW January 2023 Observations and Discussion

[snow_wizard]

Now we have a stupid God forsaken south breeze blowing here.  I HATE this pattern.  The only thing worse is when it endlessly drips at temperatures near 50 for days on end.

[snow_wizard]

57 minutes ago, Brian_in_Leavenworth said:

I like it too.  Cold air damming doing its magic.

 

 

Seems impossible with what's going on over here.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, snow_wizard said:

Seems impossible with what's going on over here.

You need to re center.

Things aren’t that bad. 

[joelgombiner]

1 hour ago, snow_wizard said:

I'm kind of wondering why there is so much more graph area above the normal line than below.

That is a deep statistical/climatological question that I don't have the answer to but that is worth wrestling with IMO. What is a weather anomaly, exactly? 

[snow_wizard]

Perhaps the biggest problem with this pattern is the air is constantly being stirred up by winds alternating between easterly and southerly.  No way it can decouple even when it clears out at night.

[snow_wizard]

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

You need to re center.

Things aren’t that bad. 

52 f...ing degrees at night in January is bad. 

[joelgombiner]

1 hour ago, Brian_in_Leavenworth said:

I like it too.  Cold air damming doing its magic.

 

 

28 in Wenatchee, 26 in Douglas. Perfect winter weather! 

[Snownerd3000]

18 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Doesn’t seem like they have much. But it’s probably him. Wonder what his connection to them was, and how they say the roommate saw him. Very interesting. Many people still think the WSU Greeks were somehow involved. We may never know. Caption this pic. I’ll start. Innocent until proven guilty.

Looks like Bundy

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, Snownerd3000 said:

Looks like Bundy

Bundy was a Husky! I told my brother he should take the case pro bono, but he didn’t seem interested.  

[Doinko]

But how is the 18z CFS???

[Snownerd3000]

 

[BLI snowman]

21 minutes ago, Doinko said:

What's the gold standard for snowstorms in Portland? December 1892?

Yeah, that would be the biggest official one on record. January 1866 was pretty large as well, I think reports had that around 3 feet in the city over a few days. 

[Chewbacca Defense]

10 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Doesn’t seem like they have much. But it’s probably him. Wonder what his connection to them was, and how they say the roommate saw him. Very interesting. Many people still think the WSU Greeks were somehow involved. We may never know. Caption this pic. I’ll start. Innocent until proven guilty.

I can almost guarantee we have only seen a fraction of what they have.  Unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge of this as my nephew was a victim of a situation like this back in 2016.  He was one of 5 young adults shot in the back of the head in their house, then the house was torched.  It took an incredibly long time for his killer to go to trail, and even us as the family were kept in the dark about a LOT of things.  We were only told there would be some difficult and uncomfortable things that would be coming to light about my nephew.  We pretty much knew it all already, but it was difficult having it going public.

 

Side note, again having "been there done that" it was also very frustrating to hear about all of the rumors and theories being circulated, and the criticism towards police about not being more forthcoming with information and leads.  They have to be very careful about all of that lest they tip off the suspect or taint a potential jury pool.  Sounds like in this case the main concern was tipping off the suspect, as they had him under surveillance for a long time.

In my nephew's case, the killer was not the sharpest knife in the drawer, stayed at the scene trying to play the "witness"

His alibi fell apart very quickly and they had a confession soon after.  F*cker still plead not guilty and dragged things out for several years, getting convicted in 2019 and his last appeal finally being thrown out late last year.

[Deweydog]

18 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The icon says trial of the century in sleepy old Moscow .

As the esteemed District Attorney of Beechum County once said “I’d like to have a murder weapon, but other than that I feel pretty good.”

[BLI snowman]

27 minutes ago, 12345WeatherNerd said:

I was having trouble finding records that far back.

Downtown Seattle recorded 60.9" of snow in 1915-16, compared to 36.2" in 1968-69 and 33.9" in 1949-50. The snowstorm on February 1-2, 1916 is definitely the biggest one post-1880 for the Puget Sound.

[Doinko]

1 minute ago, BLI snowman said:

Yeah, that would be the biggest official one on record. January 1866 was pretty large as well, I think reports had that around 3 feet in the city over a few days. 

Is there any easily accessible data during that general time period in the 1860s/1870s? 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

I can almost guarantee we have only seen a fraction of what they have.  Unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge of this as my nephew was a victim of a situation like this back in 2016.  He was one of 5 young adults shot in the back of the head in their house, then the house was torched.  It took an incredibly long time for his killer to go to trail, and even us as the family were kept in the dark about a LOT of things.  We were only told there would be some difficult and uncomfortable things that would be coming to light about my nephew.  We pretty much knew it all already, but it was difficult having it going public.

 

Side note, again having "been there done that" it was also very frustrating to hear about all of the rumors and theories being circulated, and the criticism towards police about not being more forthcoming with information and leads.  They have to be very careful about all of that lest they tip off the suspect or taint a potential jury pool.  Sounds like in this case the main concern was tipping off the suspect, as they had him under surveillance for a long time.

In my nephew's case, the killer was not the sharpest knife in the drawer, stayed at the scene trying to play the "witness"

His alibi fell apart very quickly and they had a confession soon after.  F*cker still plead not guilty and dragged things out for several years, getting convicted in 2019 and his last appeal finally being thrown out late last year.

Yikes. That’s wild. Where do you stand on the death penalty? I support it. But it seems to be out of style these days. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Deweydog said:

As the esteemed District Attorney of Beechum County once said “I’d like to have a murder weapon, but other than that I feel pretty good.”

It’s insane that he left the sheath for the knife. What a dingus. 

[Slushy Inch]

2 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Downtown Seattle recorded 60.9" of snow in 1915-16, compared to 36.2" in 1968-69 and 33.9" in 1949-50. The snowstorm on February 1-2, 1916 is definitely the biggest one post-1880 for the Puget Sound.

So, is guys graphic wrong? Snow Stats - Seattle Weather Blog

[BLI snowman]

14 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Perhaps the biggest problem with this pattern is the air is constantly being stirred up by winds alternating between easterly and southerly.  No way it can decouple even when it clears out at night.

We all just got a zesty little freeze a few nights ago!

[Doinko]

Just now, 12345WeatherNerd said:

So, is guys graphic wrong? Snow Stats - Seattle Weather Blog

That's from SeaTac I think, Downtown had a lot less in 1950 and 1968/1969

[BLI snowman]

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

It’s insane that he left the sheath for the knife. What a dingus. 

Bad look for the WSU Criminology program. Failed his thesis!

[joelgombiner]

11 minutes ago, Snownerd3000 said:

 

Natural gas has plunged on warm winter expectations. 

[Slushy Inch]

1 minute ago, Doinko said:

That's from SeaTac I think, Downtown had a lot less in 1950 and 1968/1969

Oh

[SilverFallsAndrew]

2 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Bad look for the WSU Criminology program. Failed his thesis!

Go ducks! 

[BLI snowman]

6 minutes ago, 12345WeatherNerd said:

So, is guys graphic wrong? Snow Stats - Seattle Weather Blog

No, it's just using SEA's data as opposed to downtown. Downtown is definitely more representative of the city, unsurprisingly.

You can find the old Federal Building data here through 1972

https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?wa7488

Then a 2nd station that recorded from 1972 to 1998

https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?wa7458

And then since 1998, really only the NWS Office at Sand Point has offered any official snow data for the city itself

https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?wa7470

Edited January 6, 2023 by BLI snowman

[snow_wizard]

No way the ECMWF is right about it dropping into the 30s by morning.

[snow_wizard]

21 minutes ago, joelgombiner said:

28 in Wenatchee, 26 in Douglas. Perfect winter weather! 

Yeah....right.

God I hate this place.

[Doinko]

On this day 114 years ago Portland was 35/17 with 2.9" of snow leading into this arctic blast. Wow

[High Desert Mat?]

7 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Yeah....right.

God I hate this place.

Here we go!!!!!

[TigerWoodsLibido]

7 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Yeah....right.

God I hate this place.

Places around Mollala, OR haven't seen a snow event of more than a trace since Jan 2017.

[snow_wizard]

Just now, High Desert Mat? said:

Here we go!!!!!

You don't have to experience this absolute disaster of a January like we are over here.  Sure...I'm used to the month sucking, but this pattern is on a different level of suck.  The next week is going to be torture for anyone wanting cold weather.

[snow_wizard]

Just now, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Places around Mollala, OR haven't seen a snow event of more than a trace since Jan 2017.

That seems almost impossible.

[BLI snowman]

12 minutes ago, Doinko said:

Is there any easily accessible data during that general time period in the 1860s/1870s? 

Downtown Portland began recording officially at the U.S. Customs House in 1871, although their temperature data is only available back to 1874. But their dataset is fully available on XMACIS.

I do have the old Fort Vancouver and Fort Steilacoom datasets in an Excel spreadsheet for the 1849-68 period, not sure if I can still attach them on here or not.

A few other stations recorded at the time but their data isn't available online, unfortunately. 

 

[Doinko]

1 minute ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Places around Mollala, OR haven't seen a snow event of more than a trace since Jan 2017.

Did they not have snow in December 2021 or February 2018?

[SnowWillarrive]

11 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Yeah....right.

God I hate this place.

This January is rough. Hope we get another crack at some good snow in a few weeks.  

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Just now, snow_wizard said:

That seems almost impossible.

It is very possible.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, snow_wizard said:

You don't have to experience this absolute disaster of a January like we are over here.  Sure...I'm used to the month sucking, but this pattern is on a different level of suck.  The next week is going to be torture for anyone wanting cold weather.

Uh… I feel like this isn’t much different than any January since 2017. 

 

2 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Places around Mollala, OR haven't seen a snow event of more than a trace since Jan 2017.

Uhhh… not sure about this either. 

[SnowWillarrive]

4 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Places around Mollala, OR haven't seen a snow event of more than a trace since Jan 2017.

I’d seriously consider moving if that was my reality for too long. IF true …That sounds utterly depressing 

[Deweydog]

21 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

It’s insane that he left the sheath for the knife. What a dingus. 

A very blatant example of Locard’s Exchange Principle.