PNW January 2023 Observations and Discussion

[TT-SEA]

2 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Doesn’t seem like they have much. But it’s probably him. Wonder what his connection to them was, and how they say the roommate saw him. Very interesting. Many people still think the WSU Greeks were somehow involved. We may never know. Caption this pic. I’ll start. Innocent until proven guilty.

Well they have his DNA on a knife sheath inside the bedroom of one of the murder victims.  And video of his car leaving Pullman just before 3:00 a.m. and entering and exiting the neighborhood where the murders occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 a.m.    Not sure how any of that is explained by an innocent person.   Probably him?

Many people still think it was other college students after today?    I guess many people don't believe we landed on the moon either.   Whatever.  

[TT-SEA]

27 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

It just makes coming back very depressing.

I am sure there will be colder temps and some snow eventually and you will be saying how awesome and incredible this winter is again... just the typical ebb and flow of a snow_wizard winter in a maritime climate!

[ShawniganLake]

3 hours ago, BLI snowman said:

Downtown Seattle recorded 60.9" of snow in 1915-16, compared to 36.2" in 1968-69 and 33.9" in 1949-50. The snowstorm on February 1-2, 1916 is definitely the biggest one post-1880 for the Puget Sound.

Shawnigan Lake had a staggering 135” between Jan 1st and Feb 9th in 1916.  I can’t imagine how high the snow banks would be if that occurred today. 

[Deweydog]

Two weeks ago today the high was 25 at PDX. You gotta know there was gonna be hell to pay for that.

Edited January 6 by Deweydog

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Just now, Deweydog said:

Three weeks ago today the high was 25 at PDX. You gotta know there was gonna be hell to pay for that.

The debt we shall pay for that sub-freezing high here to break the streak.

[GHweatherChris]

4 hours ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

That is like a +10000 bet anymore.

Only 1 day hit 90 on the nose, 7/19/22, Matt was D**n close to being perfect.

[GHweatherChris]

1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

Well they have his DNA on a knife sheath inside the bedroom of one of the murder victims.  And video of his car leaving Pullman just before 3:00 a.m. and entering and exiting the neighborhood where the murders occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 a.m.    Not sure how any of that is explained by an innocent person.   Probably him?

Many people still think it was other college students after today?    I guess many people don't believe we landed on the moon either.   Whatever.  

Technically, they have DNA that matches "somewhat" genealogically, and video of a car "like" his.  Personally though I think they got the right individual, he studied for this moment and still failed to get away with it.  

Currently, 45 degrees and sporadic rain showers here.

[VancouverIslandSouth]

Neat looking sky this evening, this dull weather is at least good for getting stuff done. December was fun, but exhausting:

[SilverFallsAndrew]

4 hours ago, Front Ranger said:

What's with the weird spacing in your posts? I feel like someone mentioned this awhile back. Perhaps a glitch in the matrix.

If anyone did it was Jesse. It just happens when I post

from my phone. Now that you mentioned it I will be 

sure to make sure it happens all

The time.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 hours ago, TT-SEA said:

Well they have his DNA on a knife sheath inside the bedroom of one of the murder victims.  And video of his car leaving Pullman just before 3:00 a.m. and entering and exiting the neighborhood where the murders occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 a.m.    Not sure how any of that is explained by an innocent person.   Probably him?

Many people still think it was other college students after today?    I guess many people don't believe we landed on the moon either.   Whatever.  

Dropping a knife sheath is pretty amateur. Maybe that’s why he allegedly went back the next day to try and recover it. The whole thing is pretty weird. Will be interesting to find out how they arrived at him as a suspect in the first place, because it was before DNA evidence was in. Leaving a knife sheath at the scene, and being able to be placed there via cell phone data are pretty basic mistakes if this guy was trying to pull off the perfect crime, so perhaps he had other motivations we are not yet aware of. 

[TT-SEA]

5 hours ago, GHweatherChris said:

Technically, they have DNA that matches "somewhat" genealogically, and video of a car "like" his.  Personally though I think they got the right individual, he studied for this moment and still failed to get away with it.  

Currently, 45 degrees and sporadic rain showers here.

Somewhat? 

99.9998% likelihood of a match.   

And couple that with his very strange road trip (per cell phone data) between 2:30 - 5:30 a.m. on the morning of the murders which took him from Pullman to Moscow down to Lewiston and then back up to Pullman from the south.   That seems like a suspiciously random trip at an extremely odd time of day for an innocent person who also happened to leave his DNA inside the bedroom of one of the murder victims during that time.   Investigators are really grasping at straws here to blame him for the murders.  

I am guessing here... but I bet there is DNA from the murder victims on the items he removed from his car with surgical gloves and put into bags and put in the neighbors garbage bins in Pennsylvania just prior to his arrest.   Luckily the FBI retrieved those bags from the neighbors garbage bins.  

https://nypost.com/2023/01/06/bryan-kohberger-meticulously-cleaned-his-car-before-arrest-report/

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

Somewhat? 

99.9998% likelihood of a match.   

And couple that with his very strange road trip (per cell phone data) between 2:30 - 5:30 a.m. on the morning of the murders which took him from Pullman to Moscow down to Lewiston and then back up to Pullman from the south.   That seems like a suspiciously random trip at an extremely odd time of day for an innocent person who also happened to leave his DNA inside the bedroom of one of the murder victims during that time.   Investigators are really grasping at straws here to blame him for the murders.  

I am guessing here... but I bet there is DNA from the murder victims on the items he removed from his car with surgical gloves and put into bags and put in the neighbors garbage bins in Pennsylvania just prior to his arrest.   Luckily the FBI retrieved those bags from the neighbors garbage bins.  

https://nypost.com/2023/01/06/bryan-kohberger-meticulously-cleaned-his-car-before-arrest-report/

It is pretty hard to believe anything the police say about DNA evidence though. The cell phone data is much more compelling imo. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Looks like a lot of upper 30s in the willamette valley this morning, sad statement about January that we would consider that a small win. 

[AlTahoe]

snow piles are getting big at work. they will probably stick around through May this year. 

[TacomaWx]

You know things are bad in terms of weather when the main topic is a serial killer trial and Jim has a meltdown over our pineapple January.

 

[TacomaWx]

Looks like we got down to 38 so far this morning. The moon is quite bright this morning setting in the west and mostly clear skies. 

[ShawniganLake]

35 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

You know things are bad in terms of weather when the main topic is a serial killer trial and Jim has a meltdown over our pineapple January.

 

Jim’s meltdown is basically a necessity to deliver the goods later on. 

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

Jim’s meltdown is basically a necessity to deliver the goods later on. 

This is so true.  

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

Yesterday i left work it was 56 degrees and at home in the hood canal cool pool it was 43! had a high of 46 yesterday.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

9 hours ago, Cold Snap said:

We need a pineapple emoji if anything.

We already have one.

You mean a pineapple react? That would good, as well as a smoke react.

[Phil]

11 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

It’s insane that he left the sheath for the knife. What a dingus. 

Either that or he was framed. That’s almost too perfect of a mistake.

Though based on what I’ve read the evidence is stacked against him.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

50-burgers for the foreseeable future on the 06Z ECMWF

 

 

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

Either that or he was framed. That’s almost too perfect of a mistake.

Though based on what I’ve read the evidence is stacked against him.

Can you imagine your response if you knew you were innocent and were framed for a horrific mass murder?   This guy has been completely calm since his arrest.   Even smiling in court yesterday.    I would imagine you or I would be frantic and screaming that we are innocent.    This appears to be a game to him.   He is detached from reality.  

[Rubus Leucodermis]

4 minutes ago, Phil said:

Either that or he was framed. That’s almost too perfect of a mistake.

Though based on what I’ve read the evidence is stacked against him.

I find it believable. Commit a crime of that magnitude and you will worry a lot about getting caught. Worry a lot and you will make stupid mistakes that make it easier to get caught.

[RentonHill]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Can you imagine your response if you knew you were innocent and were framed for a horrific mass murder?   This guy has been completely calm since his arrest.   Even smiling in court yesterday.    I would imagine you or I would be frantic and screaming that we are innocent.    This appears to be a game to him.   He is detached from reality.  

Eyes above ears, something to fear.

[SunAndSnow]

More seasonal temps this morning- better than the 54 I woke up to yesterday!

[TT-SEA]

4 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

I find it believable. Commit a crime of that magnitude and you will worry a lot about getting caught. Worry a lot and you will make stupid mistakes that make it easier to get caught.

I suspect that sheath is why he was back in that neighborhood at 9 a.m. the next morning... but guessing he decided it was too risky to go back into the house in broad daylight.    He was also probably shocked that the place was not swarming with cops at that time given one of the roommate saw him at 4 a.m.   

[MossMan]

Mild sunny morning. You can always count on January to have days that feel like a nice late April type morning. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

4 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

I find it believable. Commit a crime of that magnitude and you will worry a lot about getting caught. Worry a lot and you will make stupid mistakes that make it easier to get caught.

It explains why he went back to the scene later. Probably realized he had dropped it and tried to find it somewhere. But they have to have something bigger we don’t know about yet that connected him to the case. 

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, MossMan said:

Mild sunny morning. You can always count on January to have days that feel like a nice late April type morning. 

Some sun here after a little rain overnight.   Feels springy... I heard birds singing this morning.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

I suspect that sheath is why he was back in that neighborhood at 9 a.m. the next morning... but guessing he decided it was too risky to go back into the house in broad daylight.    He was also probably shocked that the place was not swarming with cops at that time given one of the roommates saw him at 4 a.m.   

The roommate seeing him and not calling 911 is the most bizarre part of this whole thing to me. Or him not killing them. That part of this doesn’t even make sense. 

[MossMan]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Some sun here after a little rain overnight.   Feels springy... I heard birds singing this morning.

No rain here, just wind all night. Finally calmed down at daybreak. Yeah definitely feels like spring this morning. This keeps up and things are going to start popping out of the ground and my grass will start to green up a little more. Just in time for the big February show! 

[TT-SEA]

3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The roommate seeing him and not calling 911 is the most bizarre part of this whole thing to me. Or him not killing them. That part of this doesn’t even make sense. 

That is strange... but then you have to assume it was not unusual for people to be wandering around that house at night being that it was a party house.   At the time she probably never imagined her roommates were being murdered.    She might have been drunk or high and didn't want to deal with the police.  Of course in hindsight it now seems obvious and she will have to live with that for the rest of her life.

[TT-SEA]

6 minutes ago, MossMan said:

No rain here, just wind all night. Finally calmed down at daybreak. Yeah definitely feels like spring this morning. This keeps up and things are going to start popping out of the ground and my grass will start to green up a little more. Just in time for the big February show! 

I have come to expect the grass turning green and the first signs of spring in January... only to buried in snow again in February.  

[TacomaWx]

Get the feeling there will be a decent event next month. Probably not on the level of February 2019…but I could see something like February 2018 possibly. My guess is not arctic but decently chilly with some snow. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

5 minutes ago, MossMan said:

No rain here, just wind all night. Finally calmed down at daybreak. Yeah definitely feels like spring this morning. This keeps up and things are going to start popping out of the ground and my grass will start to green up a little more. Just in time for the big February show! 

The grass still looks pretty awful here because it never had time to green up before it got too cold to grow. If the lawns look decent by the end of this month, that will definitely be an upside to the torching.

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

The grass still looks pretty awful here because it never had time to green up before it got too cold to grow. If the lawns look decent by the end of this month, that will definitely be an upside to the torching.

Same here.   The rain in late October was too late to spur new growth so we went into the cold season with the grass already dormant.   I have never seen that happen before.    I was thinking yesterday that we might finally start seeing signs of life soon.   

[MossMan]

7 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

Get the feeling there will be a decent event next month. Probably not on the level of February 2019…but I could see something like February 2018 possibly. My guess is not arctic but decently chilly with some snow. 

Yes please!! Big snow on the 18th, then multiple smaller snows through the end of the month with several sub freezing highs. Had snow on the ground until the first part of March. 

[MossMan]

5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Same here.   The rain in late October was too late to spur new growth so we went into the cold season with the grass already dormant.   I have never seen that happen before.    I was thinking yesterday that we might finally start seeing signs of life soon.   

For many years prior to this last fall I was mowing until the first part of December. But the mowing abruptly stopped at the end of October this season! The cold hit while we were still powerless from the big windstorm the first part of November. 

[TacomaWx]

3 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Yes please!! Big snow on the 18th, then multiple smaller snows through the end of the month with several sub freezing highs. Had snow on the ground until the first part of March. 

It was pretty solid here…No sub freezing highs but 5 or 6 consecutive highs in the low to mid 30s. Had about 3” of snow that week over 3 separate events…but it snowed every day that week. Slight killer for that event was it happened in the latter half of February. If we had something similar to that one in the first half it could end up slightly better. That’s kind of what I’m thinking we see if something happens down the road but who knows we could go the 2011 or 2019 route. 

[BLI snowman]

28 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

It explains why he went back to the scene later. Probably realized he had dropped it and tried to find it somewhere. But they have to have something bigger we don’t know about yet that connected him to the case. 

Wasn't the footage of the car the initial thing that connected him to the case? It sounds like they were looking at white Elantras all over Pullman/Moscow. They found his and looked back and saw that he had been pulled over a few months earlier and given his cell number to police. They then found that his cell phone had been pinged at the murder scene a number of different times and went from there.

Edited January 6 by BLI snowman

[TacomaWx]

Definitely not nearly as warm today…managed a low of 37 and 43 now. 10 degrees cooler than this time yesterday. 

[Phishy Wx]

52 minutes ago, Phil said:

Either that or he was framed. That’s almost too perfect of a mistake.

Though based on what I’ve read the evidence is stacked against him.

egotistical sociopath like him may have left it as a 'calling card'. serial killers do that.  probably forgot in the moment that he touched it with his bare hands when he bought it, or tried to clean ahead of the murders and missed the snap.  they apparently only found one print on it.

or he dropped it in the rage/chaos of that round of killing and couldn't find it in the dark and left it due to time.  

[Phishy Wx]

36 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

It explains why he went back to the scene later. Probably realized he had dropped it and tried to find it somewhere. But they have to have something bigger we don’t know about yet that connected him to the case. 

the eyewitness account is pretty compelling, she described him vividly.  also they found a latent footprint from a Vans shoe.  I'm assuming they may have found Vans at his apartment or in his car or garbage and tested that for DNA as well

[Phishy Wx]

14 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Wasn't the footage of the car the initial thing that connected him to the case? It sounds like they were looking at white Elantras all over Pullman/Moscow. They found his and looked back and saw that he had been pulled over a few months earlier and given his cell number to police. They then found that his cell phone had been pinged at the murder scene a number of different times and went from there.

he also changed the the cars registration/plates from PA to WA like 5 days after the crime.  not #1 on the list of evidence but a diversion tactic indeed.  may have even planned the crime around the time his plates from PA were expiring so it would not look like any big deal that he renewed the registration in WA instead of PA

[TacomaWx]

Bryan kohbergers probably guilty. We’re all DEFINITELY guilty of not starting a thread for this though. 

[BLI snowman]

7 minutes ago, Phishy Wx said:

he also changed the the cars registration/plates from PA to WA like 5 days after the crime.  not #1 on the list of evidence but a diversion tactic indeed.  may have even planned the crime around the time his plates from PA were expiring so it would not look like any big deal that he renewed the registration in WA instead of PA

Yeah, that stood out to me as well. Probably thought he was being really clever.

[Front Ranger]

1 hour ago, ShawniganLake said:

Jim’s meltdown is basically a necessity to deliver the goods later on. 

This is probably true. Then again, he has a meltdown every winter, so causality might be tough to establish.

[Front Ranger]

1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

I suspect that sheath is why he was back in that neighborhood at 9 a.m. the next morning... but guessing he decided it was too risky to go back into the house in broad daylight.    He was also probably shocked that the place was not swarming with cops at that time given one of the roommate saw him at 4 a.m.   

That's the part of the affidavit I found most interesting. Huge change from the information available previously, which was that the other 2 roommates were both on the bottom floor and slept through the whole thing.

Instead, we find out 1 of them was on the second floor where two of the victims were killed, heard some of it going on, and then actually saw the killer walk past them. But then no one called the police until after 11 am the next day? Very strange.

[TT-SEA]

4 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Yeah, that stood out to me as well. Probably thought he was being really clever.

He is not very clever when he leaves his apartment at 2:30 a.m. and takes his phone with him (and is seen on multiple WSU traffic cameras at that time)... and then turns his phone off for 2 hours covering the time of the murders... and then turns it back on for some reason as he makes a ridiculous trip down through Lewiston and back up to Pullman between 4:30-5:30 a.m.

A PhD student in criminology should know to leave his phone at home and turned on so it appears like he never left.