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6 minutes ago, The Blob said:

You're welcome. I worked near Beaumont and they have their own water system so that peaked my interest as to where the water comes from, plus geology classes.

I wonder what kind impact years of drought is having on the reliability of water from the nearby mountains and the aquifers there 

Always thought the Fourtynine Palm Oasis in Joshua tree park looked cool crazy that is groundwater 

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1 minute ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

I wonder what kind impact years of drought is having on the reliability of water from the nearby mountains and the aquifers there 

CA sure could use a Nino... these Ninas are brutal for the SW.    

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3 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

I wonder what kind impact years of drought is having on the reliability of water from the nearby mountains and the aquifers there 

Always thought the Palm Oasis in Joshua tree park looked cool crazy that is groundwater 

It could be? I'll have to look into it on my day off.

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4 hours ago, DJ Droppin said:

The models and boring weather have lulled us to sleep, but it's time to WAKE UP! WAKE UP!

00z GFS in 4 hours 53 minutes
00z ECMWF in 7 hours

You’re still here! So the ship hasn’t exactly left the harbor yet for the summer…. But I’d imagine soon? 

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5 hours ago, MWG said:

High for yesterday was 69F and today will be another 70F. I don't mind spring but not this early because of allergies!  🤮

As if it’s like clockwork, my body is beginning to adjust to the change and it’s starting to ramp up the allergies this time of the year. Been experiencing sneezing episodes and in a few weeks, it’ll be full swing. NOT looking forward to it. 

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42 minutes ago, Deweydog said:

A year ago right now we were LIVING ON THE EDGE!!

It was just starting to accumulate one hour from now a year ago: What a weekend that was! 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

CA sure could use a Nino... these Ninas are brutal for the SW.    

The +NAO/strong PV is associated with much of the tendency for dryness in the SW US. It’s not just the La Niña.

Ridge over NE-Canada in conjunction with Niño/STJ is when California/SE US shines.

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1 hour ago, MossMan said:

The place we almost put an offer on 4yrs ago before finding our current place at nearly the same time is back on the market! 21 acres! I liked the layout of the house as well but my wife could not get over the fact that there was carpet in the bathtub area. Also it was a 20min drive to I-5. The place next door to that place also just went on the market. 
https://www.redfin.com/WA/Mount-Vernon/25715-Lake-Cavanaugh-Rd-98274/home/18791039?600390594=copy_variant&231528114=control&utm_source=ios_share&utm_medium=share&utm_nooverride=1&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=share_sheet

Nice house, especially with the 21 acres!  Carpet in front of the tub can be easily remedied, though we had that in our house in Oregon, and it actually wasn't too terrible.  We used a bath mat with a rubberized bottom and draped it over the tub when it wasn't in use.  It never got too saturated or funky.

 

Also, seeing that house made me realize that we could conceivably do something like that now.  My wife starts a job on Monday that is 100% remote, and my job can be 100% remote.  That said, I really don't want to buy with the market being what it is right now....I'll just keep paying on what I've got.

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1 hour ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

they have been in a drought more often than not regardless of ENSO probably has more to do with Hadley cells expanding northward with climate change 

That’s part of it. +NAM background state/broadening Hadley Cells, in conjunction with La Niña, is the worst possible combination for the SW US.

Changes to z-cells/West Pacific Warm Pool have always been associated with global climate change(s), as well. This trend began in the 18th/19th centuries and has only continued (and accelerated) in the 20th/21st centuries.

There was a significant shift in the “bad” direction after the 1997/98 super niño. One of the most profound climate shifts in the last century (the other one in 1976/77).

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Just flew over a sparkling Rose City on our quick PSP-SEA flight.   So nice when planes are landing from the south at SEA... just slide right in without having to circle for an extra 20 minutes.

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A lot of chilly weather on the 0z GFS.  Not sure why I was mocked for bringing this up earlier.  Probably looking at all three winter months running below normal for the Puget Sound region this season.  That having been said the way we have done it has been kind of disappointing other than the one really good run of winter we had.

I happen to be a huge fan of GOA ridging and we have a lot of that coming up.  I'm sure it will be too dry for many people's taste though.

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Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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27 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

My gf is trying to claim two closets in the new house just for her clothes….. this will be a fun discussion. Any advice guys😂😂

Stand your ground.

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Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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It actually looks like tonight will be colder than last night.  Down to 37 already.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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16 minutes ago, Gummy said:

Let her have them. Is there really any other option?

You might have a point.  it just depends which battles you want to make a stand on.

Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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More record highs coming up. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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2 hours ago, Phil said:

The +NAO/strong PV is associated with much of the tendency for dryness in the SW US. It’s not just the La Niña.

Ridge over NE-Canada in conjunction with Niño/STJ is when California/SE US shines.

Should’ve said active STJ, and CA/SW US, not SE.

Just looking at reanalysis, it’s a strong correlation that has existed for at least a century now.

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1 hour ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

My gf is trying to claim two closets in the new house just for her clothes….. this will be a fun discussion. Any advice guys😂😂

My advice? Don’t listen to Jim.

 

59 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Just flew over a sparkling Rose City on our quick PSP-SEA flight.   So nice when planes are landing from the south at SEA... just slide right in without having to circle for an extra 20 minutes.

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All I see is UHI.

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1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

Just flew over a sparkling Rose City on our quick PSP-SEA flight.   So nice when planes are landing from the south at SEA... just slide right in without having to circle for an extra 20 minutes.

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I thought I saw you.

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My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad.

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Just got home... beautiful moonlit evening and 45 degrees here with the sound of a few frogs.    A little less work than when we came home from Hawaii to a foot of snow on the ground.

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19 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Just got home... beautiful moonlit evening and 45 degrees here with the sound of a few frogs.    A little less work than when we came home from Hawaii to a foot of snow on the ground.

We’re heading out of town to Cannon Beach tomorrow through Tuesday. But it seems like we need a new destination because the one meaningful day we’ll have will be on Monday and it looks to be rainy. 
 

We should’ve gone to SoCal when we had the opportunity. 

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00Z ECMWF took away the lowland snow next week... but still shows lots of mountain snow.    And the OR Cascades do as well or maybe even a little better than the WA Cascades.

 

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2 hours ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

My gf is trying to claim two closets in the new house just for her clothes….. this will be a fun discussion. Any advice guys😂😂

Livestream your breakup on the forums. Schedule it for 3am, wake her up.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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Incoming trough is all things considered a decent snowmaker for the Oregon Cascades. Chilly upper levels put 12-18" of snow at pass levels as a decent bet.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31

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