Clinton Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 1989 has been an analog year used by Batardi for December. T-Swails shows some comparisons for this upcoming Artic air mass to the one we had in 1989. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chescowxman Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Rain will end this AM. We have picked up 1.51" of rain and melted snow so far along with the 0.3" of snow/sleet yesterday. Of note with this event we have now exceeded our normal annual rainfall here in Chester County of 50.21". It looks likely we will now have colder than normal weather to close out 2022. The exception could be if the east coast storm next week tracks like the latest European model is showing. In that case we would have a brief warmup and change any brief snow to rain next Thursday into Friday. The models will change again many times before then. The record high for today is 67 degrees set in 1971. The record low is also the earliest seasonal record of a below zero reading as on this date in 1917 we fell to 1 degree below zero. Record rain is the 1.80" today in 1902. Our record snow was just 2 years ago when we received 7.3" of snow. Quote All historical weather data analytics posted by me is specifically for the climate of Chester County PA. We continually analyze the actual raw non-adjusted NWS certified Coop observed climate data for Chester County. There have been no post observation adjustments to any of the detailed analytics. All data is sourced from trained NWS observers and spotters. The life blood of science is to challenge what is thought to be known. The concept that climate change etc. is somehow “settled science” describes a religion - a belief system that does not welcome challenges. We should all continue to challenge science! Snow Totals 2023/24 = 24.5" - 11/28 (0.3") / 12/7 (0.8") / 12/11 (0.8") / 1/6 (2.0") / 1/16 (2.8") / 1/19 (4.5") / 2/13 (10.5") / 2/17 (2.8") Average Chester County PA Snow at elevations over 660 FT ASL (1983-Present) = 35.9" Snow totals by season: 2022/23 (2.7") /2021/22 (20.5") 2020/21 snow (52.2") / 2019/20 snow (5.8" )/ 2018/19 snow (35.1" )/ 2017/18 snow (58.5") / 2016/17 snow (24.0")/ 2015/16 snow (40.8")/ 2014/15 snow = (55.3") /2013/14 snow (80.0"). Check out the historical Western Chester County PA website at https://www.chescowx.com. Follow me on twitter at https://twitter.com/ChescoWx and join us on the #1 social media source for all things Chester County weather on the Chester County Weather Page at https://www.facebook.com/groups/chescowx National Weather Service SKYWARN® Trained Spotter CHPA-174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 0z GEPS Snow mean through Christmas Day... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 0z EPS members.... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tStacsh Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Grass sticking through, but for the first time in 3 weeks, we have some snow on the ground. Welcome to Southern Michigan, winter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, hawkstwelve said: FSD officially reported 3 inches yesterday which brings our December total up to 12.1, 3.4 inches higher than our average December snowfall. This is the most snow that has fallen in December since 2015, when 19 inches fell. Difference then was Christmas had 0 snow on the ground while we are pretty much guaranteed to have a white Christmas. You must be tickled with excitement and finally getting to experience what a true Upper MW winter feels like. Your in for a long stretch of winter weather. Stark contrast to the PNW wx you've lived through. Enjoy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 06z Euro trying to spit out a couple inches of SN for our KC peeps... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Euro Weeklies = Extended Winter conditions into JAN...seeing a lot of similarities with all the global models (JMA, CFSv2, CFS and Euro)....all pointing towards an Eastern CONUS trough heading into mid & late JAN. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, Tom said: 06z Euro trying to spit out a couple inches of SN for our KC peeps... Lezak commented on the radio this morning that this system could produce 1-3 inches for KC Monday. Also mentioned the storms Thursday and Christmas eve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMT Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 yes, its the long range NAM - but its showing the system Monday 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tStacsh Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 The ICON would be one of the most epic cold push/storm front of all time lol 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Hoosier said: Coastal low just gets yanked well inland by the very deep negatively tilted trough. Kind of like what I posted wrt the Nov 1950 storm, but a bit further N at least verbatim on that run. I'd like to see more of the EPS members showing snow to go along with the Op Bomb(s). Looks like majority are NOT on board with such an outcome for the E Lakes Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Just now, tStacsh said: The ICON would be one of the most epic cold push/storm front of all time lol Don't be afraid to post images Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Tom said: Euro Weeklies = Extended Winter conditions into JAN...seeing a lot of similarities with all the global models (JMA, CFSv2, CFS and Euro)....all pointing towards an Eastern CONUS trough heading into mid & late JAN. Per JB, when the Greenland block happens, the E CONUS will get about 3 wks of favorable conditions then the shift back takes place as the pattern retrogrades west and the Cross-Polar flow gets pinched. 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, jaster220 said: Don't be afraid to post images Not gonna happen but nice to see! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, tStacsh said: The ICON would be one of the most epic cold push/storm front of all time lol You are correct. Probably going to wait for other models before I get the snow blower ready. It is fun to look at. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, gabel23 said: Not gonna happen but nice to see! Come on @gabel23, it's the ICON, it's always right. We just gotta believe in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterfreak Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Heaviest totals hit a brick wall at the KS and western MO state line lmao. Right before getting in to KC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Canadian at hour 126 looks very similar to the ICON. GFS not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellona Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 I just know the ICON and GDPS are trolling me right now. I'd be more than happy with what GFS shows though as well! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 12z ICON is exactly like cycle 1. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterfreak Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 CMC seems to have done a 180… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKEKC Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 All data is back on board, the trough is deeper and further west, just like cycle 1's massive storm in the Plains. GAME ON! This storm will happen and it will cover a lot of ground. Christmas week storm is on the way. 100 percent chance of a white Christmas in KC. Book it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 The 12z Canadian is nearly identical to the ICON, a radical change in the 500 mb flow compared to runs over last last few days. The GFS is more of the same, leading to an east-coast bomb. 2 1 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mlgamer Posted December 16, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 5 Quote 23-24 seasonal snow total: 17.8" (as of 3/9/24) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tStacsh Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, jaster220 said: Don't be afraid to post images Fun to look at sure, but I have a hard time posting unrealistic models. To be fair, the canadian is almost identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tStacsh Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 GFS has accumulating snow down the the ocean in Pensacola. I refuse to buy that. It's not 1899. And it's not February. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellona Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, mlgamer said: Ok I'm stealing this. I liberally burst out laughing at work! 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tStacsh Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Something in between the GFS and CMC would be an epic storm/front cold wave for everyone. So let's split the difference. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, gabel23 said: Not gonna happen but nice to see! 9 minutes ago, Bellona said: I just know the ICON and GDPS are trolling me right now. I'd be more than happy with what GFS shows though as well! So, Euro way east for days, now some like ICON and GEM way west. Just our usual 1000 mile spread on SLP location for a major event. Keeps all eyes interested at least 3 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 I must say I'm getting a little more excited as the Icon, gem and GFS all show good snows for most of us. Now hopefully the EURO comes back to the west and we should be good, right?!? RIGHT?! . GFS more aggressive with the first wave on Monday and turns the second wave into an east coast bomb. The ICON AND GEM are stronger with the second wave and cut the trough over the Great Lakes. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 The UK is with the ICON/GDPS. Just take a look at how wildly different the GFS and UK are at only day four. GFS UK 2 2 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Hard to feel too confident in anything at this point. For my specific area, none of these runs were particularly great, but not have been a total whiff at least. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 12z UK Um, yes please. 5 1 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 The UK is also amping up the early-week system a bit. 2 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: 12z UK Um, yes please. That's very similar to what the EURO was showing a couple days ago! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: 12z UK Um, yes please. Would be a nice storm extrapolated out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 Will be curious to see if the Sunday model runs help curtail the radical model shifts. The main energy for the storm will be over Alaska then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud2380 Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 30 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Will be curious to see if the Sunday model runs help curtail the radical model shifts. The main energy for the storm will be over Alaska then. That kind of puts this into perspective, wait until Sunday to see if that helps, which is still 48+ hours away and even then we have another 72+ hours before the storm hits. So yeah a lot left to be decided here with this one. If I get at least 3" and a White Christmas, I won't complain too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 16, 2022 Report Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 hour ago, jaster220 said: Kind of like what I posted wrt the Nov 1950 storm, but a bit further N at least verbatim on that run. I'd like to see more of the EPS members showing snow to go along with the Op Bomb(s). Looks like majority are NOT on board with such an outcome for the E Lakes 1950 was an extreme example of it with the surface low going from the coastal Carolina area to northern OH. It would be fun to see a 1950 system unfold in this era. Really the 1993 superstorm and that are the two most severe storms (not including tropical/hybrid tropical systems) to impact the eastern US in the 20th century in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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