September 2017 PNW Discussion Thread

[TT-SEA]

View from Stevenson... this is tragic.

 

[Jesse]

It would have sucked more for the forest's health if it didn't burn. It would have been more susceptible to disease, insect outbreaks, etc. The new forest that will grow back will be healthier and will have more nutrient-rich soil.

 

The woods don't revolve around your emotions.

I understand the ecology of forest fires more than you might think, and I never said that they do. Still, in the short term, as someone who has hiked there a lot, it's sort of sad. Am I allowed to say that? Let me be human.

[Geos]

View from Stevenson... this is tragic.

 

 

Wow, that picture. looks apocalyptic 

[TT-SEA]

I understand the ecology of forest fires more than you might think, and I never said that they do. Still, in the short term, as someone who has hiked there a lot, it's sort of sad. Am I allowed to say that? Let me be human.

 

No doubt... this is sad regardless of the big picture.   

[wx_statman]

View from Stevenson... this is tragic.

 

 

Crazy.

[wx_statman]

I understand the ecology of forest fires more than you might think, and I never said that they do. Still, in the short term, as someone who has hiked there a lot, it's sort of sad. Am I allowed to say that? Let me be human.

 

Sure, you can be human.

 

I visited Yellowstone in 1998, just 10 years after the devastating fires there. The area had recovered pretty quickly as far as bushes, flowers, deer grazing, etc. I wasn't sad and this is coming from someone who loved trees.

[Phil]

If Irma goes to strike FL, I'm probably heading down there to intercept it. I know south FL much better than I do TX.

[TT-SEA]

If Irma goes to strike FL, I'm probably heading down there to intercept it. I know south FL much better than I do TX.

 

Irma is coming to your doorstep in a week.

 

Oh and screw you 00Z GFS.   Where the f*ck is our trough?

 

[Jbolin]

Crazy.

As of 9:30 

[BLI snowman]

Irma is coming to your doorstep in a week.

 

Oh and screw you 00Z GFS.   Where the f*ck is our trough?

 

 

A couple of days later.....

[Jesse]

Sure, you can be human.

 

I visited Yellowstone in 1998, just 10 years after the devastating fires there. The area had recovered pretty quickly as far as bushes, flowers, deer grazing, etc. I wasn't sad and this is coming from someone who loved trees.

Not sure if that is the best analogy. You don't grow up near Yellowstone, then live in Yellowstone for three years. And the fire wasn't in progress.

 

It's sort of silly that I'm even having to defend my comment. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are disappointed about the fire, even if it is "good" in the grand scheme of things. If 3.5 billion people suddenly evaporated it would probably be good for nature in the grand scheme of things too, but their friends and loved ones would still be mourning. Short sighted babies.

[Jesse]

A couple of days later.....

And a couple days before.

 

How are precip amounts for later this week looking on the 00z?

[TT-SEA]

A couple of days later.....

 

Believe when I see it.  

[BLI snowman]

And a couple days before.

 

How are precip amounts for later this week looking on the 00z?

 

Spotty at best. NAM also shows no love.

 

The lower level inversion from the smoke could keep instability in check as well. Help make any surface based convection pretty unlikely this week.

[TT-SEA]

And a couple days before.

 

How are precip amounts for later this week looking on the 00z?

 

The weekend trough is a complete joke now.   Particularly compared to what it looked like just 2 days ago.

[BLI snowman]

Believe when I see it.  

 

Yeah, it's way more likely that we'll see 582 thickness the rest of the month.

[Deweydog]

Getting a nice dusting here.

[Jesse]

The weekend trough is a complete joke now. Particularly compared to what it looked like just 2 days ago.

I tried to warn Jim!!

[TT-SEA]

Refusing to cool off tonight... still just about 80 at SEA at 10 p.m.

 

Smells like a campfire outside now as well.

[Timmy]

Mark Nelsen just left kptv to go home, east Corbett is at a level 2 evac... he could realistically lose his home in this...

[Jesse]

Mark Nelsen just left kptv to go home, east Corbett is at a level 2 evac... he could realistically lose his home in this...

He should just embrace change.

[Timmy]

He should just embrace change.

That sounds a little insensitive considering the circumstances.

[TT-SEA]

That sounds a little insensitive considering the circumstances.

He is mocking other comments.

[Timmy]

As of 9:30

That whole hillside on the left is blowing up now

[wx_statman]

Not sure if that is the best analogy. You don't grow up near Yellowstone, then live in Yellowstone for three years. And the fire wasn't in progress.

 

It's sort of silly that I'm even having to defend my comment. I'm sure there are a lot of people who are disappointed about the fire, even if it is "good" in the grand scheme of things. If 3.5 billion people suddenly evaporated it would probably be good for nature in the grand scheme of things too, but their friends and loved ones would still be mourning. Short sighted babies.

 

A lot of people can't think straight and let emotions rule the day.

 

You might even say it defines us.

[Jesse]

That sounds a little insensitive considering the circumstances.

I agree!

[wx_statman]

He is mocking other comments.

 

Which is insensitive, considering other comments were about forest fire ecology.

[Jesse]

A lot of people can't think straight and let emotions rule the day.

 

You might even say it defines us.

Sadly the sort of arrogant exceptionalism displayed in this post is also a defining trait of humanity.

[wx_statman]

Sadly the sort of arrogant exceptionalism displayed in this post is also a defining trait of humanity.

 

Wow...ok.

 

[wx_statman]

Jesse, I was talking about forest fire ecology while you were cracking jokes about Mark Nelsen losing his house. So where does that leave us?

[James Jones]

Ashfall measurable at anybody's house yet?

[Dave]

Does anyone know exactly where Mark lives?  There is a level 3 evacuation now in the East Corbett area:

https://flashalert.net/id/MCSO/107600

 

As someone that has hiked the Eagle Creek trail a few times, I'm outraged that some teenaged puke started it with fireworks.  I hope they make an example of him and prosecute him to the full extent the law can.  This resource is ruined for a lifetime.

[Jbolin]

Several reports of ash around the south sound including/Federal Way, Tacoma, Bonney Lake and even as far north as Burien 

 

Edit: Report of a new fire roughly 20 acres in size in Greenwater watershed area

[snow_wizard]

As of 9:30 

 

Downright scary if you live anywhere near that.

[snow_wizard]

Does anyone know exactly where Mark lives?  There is a level 3 evacuation now in the East Corbett area:

https://flashalert.net/id/MCSO/107600

 

As someone that has hiked the Eagle Creek trail a few times, I'm outraged that some teenaged puke started it with fireworks.  I hope they make an example of him and prosecute him to the full extent the law can.  This resource is ruined for a lifetime.

 

 

How big of an idiot do you have to be to use fireworks in the woods when it's this dry?  Totally insane.  He could end up paying dearly.

[wx_statman]

Nightmarish conditions at Vista House right now. 91 degrees and a gusty east wind blowing in heavy smoke and ash.

 

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/timeseries.php?sid=D6193&table=1&banner=off

[snow_wizard]

I tried to warn Jim!!

 

I never said I was sold on it.  It did look promising at one point though.

[snow_wizard]

Nightmarish conditions at Vista House right now. 91 degrees and a gusty east wind blowing in heavy smoke and ash.

 

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/timeseries.php?sid=D6193&table=1&banner=off

 

 

God help anyone living near there.  This looks dire right now.  It almost looks like it could rival the horrible 1902 Yacolt fire.  That one also featured hot / dry east winds.

[Jbolin]

Listening to scanner traffic and the Eagle Creek fire is now 1 mile east of Multnomah Falls, Officials are saying it has moved 4 miles west in 3 hours.

[Jesse]

Wow...ok.

 

Sorry man. I like you. But you have come off pretty arrogant this whole exchange. It seems like you think people either have to be one or the other. A wobbling emotional jellyfish incapable of rational thought or a heartless, stoic robot. Just not the case. Being bummed about a wildfire burning up one of my favorite places should be pretty understandable. And it is possible to feel that way while also grasping larger concepts about the nature of wildfire ecology/the inevitability of change, believe it or not.