PNW March 2023 Weather Discussion (2012 Redux)

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

4 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Kind of how it felt last June-October when it was never going to cool down. That period will still end up being way more anomalous than this one. We would have basically needed a January 1950 start to the year to be on the same level.

I didn't get rain at my place until Oct 22nd. I agree, that did some damage on my property. 

[Cascadia_Wx]

1 minute ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

I didn't get rain at my place until Oct 22nd. I agree, that did some damage on my property. 

I don’t think we’ll the the full extent of damage from that stretch until everything fully comes out of dormancy (or doesn’t because the heat and drought killed it)

[Meatyorologist]

17 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Kind of how it felt last June-October when it was never going to cool down. That period will still end up being way more anomalous than this one. We would have basically needed a January 1950 start to the year to be on the same level.

Except January 1950 is an existing precedent. We would have needed a winter month with cold and snow greater in magnitude and duration than that in order to equal the playing field.

[Cascadia_Wx]

Just now, Meatyorologist said:

Except January 1950 is an existing precedent. We would have needed a winter month with cold and snow greater in magnitude and duration than that in order to equal the playing field.

Good point.

[Port Angeles Foothiller]

https://twitter.com/climatologist49/status/1633568001294503936?s=46&t=2tnsW7FdHFXbcZDgv17EiQ

[Meatyorologist]

15 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

It may come as a shock to everyone, and will probably be thrown back in my face at some point, but I’m gonna go ahead and say it. I’m looking forward to the first sunny day in the 60s.  

Although I’m definitely not sweating it too much, since I’m sure there will come a time where we once again get way more warmth than we bargained for at some point this year.

I think it's great that you can see one can both recognize the drawl of global warming and it's slow, agonizing transformation of our climate, and also the benefits of enjoying an objectively beautiful early Spring afternoon, without threatening the legitimacy of either perspective. They do not contradict one another.

[SouthHillFrosty]

3 minutes ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

https://twitter.com/climatologist49/status/1633568001294503936?s=46&t=2tnsW7FdHFXbcZDgv17EiQ

2014/2015 was a brutal winter. Not a surprise

[BLI snowman]

30 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

1972 shows up 3 times

That was a dynamic early spring. It snowed a bit in late March on the 25th-26th, followed by the tornado outbreak on April 5, followed by more lowland snow in mid April on the 12th and 16th-17th.

[Meatyorologist]

On a related note, I am also looking forward to the first mild Spring day. It will be lovely.

[SouthHillFrosty]

Totally off topic but I am going to my first XFL game with the bros this Saturday. Has anybody gone to a game yet?

[MossMan]

1 minute ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

Totally off topic but I am going to my first XFL game with the bros this Saturday. Has anybody gone to a game yet?

Josh Gordon is fun to watch, I was bummed when he didn’t work out as a Seahawk due to his substance issue. 

[Cascadia_Wx]

4 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

On a related note, I am also looking forward to the first mild Spring day. It will be lovely.

I find I enjoy them more when they are really earned, and it doesn’t come with that unsettling feeling of way too much of a “good” thing.

[Cascadia_Wx]

Meanwhile, PDX just cracked out of the 30s as of 1pm. Still hanging on at 38 here with solid overcast.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

4 hours ago, Meatyorologist said:

Not a single mention of the Puget Sound Convergence Zone in the Museum of Modern Art...

But there was an exhibit depicting the many potential profiles of Jesse we haven't seen yet.

Downvote = someone can dish it out but has trouble taking it!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

43 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

1972 shows up 3 times

Also a developing Nino. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

29 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

I don’t think we’ll the the full extent of damage from that stretch until everything fully comes out of dormancy (or doesn’t because the heat and drought killed it)

Already by last September a simply horrifying number of hemlock trees in Stanley Park had perished due to the combined effects of drought and insect infestation.

[Slushy Inch]

5 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

I find I enjoy them more when they are really earned, and it doesn’t come with that unsettling feeling of way too much of a “good” thing.

Like a 50 burger in January?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

13 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

2014/2015 was a brutal winter. Not a surprise

That winter totally sucked. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

11 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

On a related note, I am also looking forward to the first mild Spring day. It will be lovely.

I look forward to the first afternoon where I will be comfortable cycling in shorts and a tank top. Which for me is 60°F or warmer, provided there is full sun.

[Cascadia_Wx]

3 minutes ago, Slushy Inch said:

Like a 50 burger in January?

Those don’t matter too much overall. Although sub-50 streaks are fun in the winter mainly because they have been relatively rare in recent years.

Edited March 8, 2023 by Cascadia_Wx

[Slushy Inch]

10 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

That winter totally sucked. 

Total garbage.

[Slushy Inch]

Not impressed by showers this afternoon, it’s been too overcast.

[Phil]

Interesting.

 

[RentonHill]

32 minutes ago, Port Angeles Foothiller said:

https://twitter.com/climatologist49/status/1633568001294503936?s=46&t=2tnsW7FdHFXbcZDgv17EiQ

It just fascinates me that there is so much clustering. So many consecutive year periods in there. 

[TT-SEA]

8 minutes ago, Slushy Inch said:

Not impressed by showers this afternoon, it’s been too overcast.

Agreed... too much mid-level cloudiness to warm the surface and build convection.   At least so far.   Maybe the convection will be driven by the upper levels though.

[RentonHill]

Finally got My station back up on the roof after spending the last year on the playset. Guess I could have painted that wood to not stand out so much….wife will probably call that out. Oh well

[Phishy Wx]

Tack it on....

ISSUED: 1:26 PM MAR. 8, 2023 – NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 PM THIS EVENING TO 10
AM PST THURSDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Total snow accumulations up to 3 inches.

* WHERE...Waterville, Davenport, Mansfield, Coeur d'Alene, Hayden,
Harrington, Badger Mountain Road, Airway Heights, Ritzville, Grand
Coulee, Odessa, Cheney, Post Falls, Coulee City, Fairfield,
Wilbur, Spokane Valley, Rockford, Creston, Worley, and Downtown
Spokane.

* WHEN...From 10 PM this evening to 10 AM PST Thursday.

* IMPACTS...Plan on slippery road conditions. The hazardous
conditions could impact the Thursday morning commute.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Embedded stronger bands of snow may result in
localized heavier snow amounts across short distances.

[Cascadia_Wx]

Dang looks to stay so cool overall. It’s a ways off but I believe PDX’s latest first 60 was 3/30/2011…

 

 

[MossMan]

Fingers crossed for the first smokeless summer/fall in several years now. 

[Doinko]

37 minutes ago, Phil said:

Interesting.

 

What were 1945/46 to 1947/48 like?

[Rubus Leucodermis]

6 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Fingers crossed for the first smokeless summer/fall in several years now. 

Personally, I wouldn’t count on it.

[Cold Snap]

Got down to 28 this morning. Looking like tonight might be the last freeze of the season.

[Cascadia_Wx]

12 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Fingers crossed for the first smokeless summer/fall in several years now. 

Might need to sacrifice a couple perfect lake days for that to happen.

[RentonHill]

3 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Might need to sacrifice a couple perfect lake days for that to happen.

[BLI snowman]

13 minutes ago, Doinko said:

What were 1945/46 to 1947/48 like?

1945 was the start of the PDO flip but despite a troughier pattern compared to the previous couple years, 1945-46 was more of an interior Western winter that was pretty mediocre for WA/OR. 

1946-47 was a pretty good winter for most of the West and had fairly regional snow events in the PNW in mid November, mid January, and the end of January. Really good winter from Olympia-north. Also a big winter in the SW and southern Plains.

1947-48 was a NE-centric winter for the first half and then flipped to very troughy (not too snowy though) in the PNW in the 2nd half of the winter and that spring, which really marked the turn into the deep -PDO phase that dominated the next decade. The cold/wet spring in 1948 also really contributed to the massive snowmelt floods on the Columbia and Fraser Rivers in late May.

[Cascadia_Wx]

4 minutes ago, RentonHill said:

Yeah ok sorry I’ll quit. Been on a roll today. A lot to get done and all jacked up on coffee.

[FroYoBro]

Tiny lil hail shower in Lake O. I’ve walked in snow, rain, hail, and now a sun break all in one day!

Edited March 8, 2023 by FroYoBro

[Doinko]

13 minutes ago, FroYoBro said:

Tiny lil hail shower in Lake O. I’ve walked in snow, rain, and hail and now a sun break all in one day!

Feels warm outside in the sun, after it was snowing 4 hours ago

[Deweydog]

4 hours ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Hey. Could you make it possible to receive PMs? Just for the time being.

I didn’t know I couldn’t?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

36/25 today. Pretty legit.