PNW October 2021, Pumpkin Spice Edition

[MossMan]

23 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

There was a nice snowstorm here that night. 8-10”

If memory serves me correctly we got about 2” or so on the 13th and then the real action started on the 15th and it basically did not stop until the 26th. Matt better be correct with his prediction for this December! 
 

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
314 PM PST SAT DEC 13 2008
SAN JUAN COUNTY-WESTERN WHATCOM COUNTY-SOUTHWEST INTERIOR-
EAST PUGET SOUND LOWLANDS-WESTERN SKAGIT COUNTY-EVERETT AND VICINITY-
SEATTLE/BREMERTON AREA-TACOMA AREA-ADMIRALTY INLET AREA-
HOOD CANAL AREA-LOWER CHEHALIS VALLEY AREA-OLYMPICS-
EASTERN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA-WESTERN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA-
NORTH COAST-CENTRAL COAST-WEST SLOPES NORTHERN CASCADES AND PASSES-
WEST SLOPES CENTRAL CASCADES AND PASSES-
314 PM PST SAT DEC 13 2008

...THE LONGEST STREAK OF COLD WEATHER SINCE DECEMBER 1990 IS ON THE 
WAY...

WHILE THE POSSIBILITY OF LOWLAND SNOW SHOWERS IS IN THE FORECAST AT 
TIMES OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS...IT IS THE FRIGIDLY COLD TEMPERATURES 
EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT WEEK THAT COULD HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT ON 
WESTERN WASHINGTON.

AN ARCTIC AIR MASS WILL STREAM INTO WESTERN WASHINGTON TONIGHT AND 
SUNDAY...IN THE WAKE OF AN ARCTIC FRONT MOVING SOUTH THROUGH THE 
AREA THIS AFTERNOON. TEMPERATURES WILL FALL BELOW FREEZING ACROSS 
WESTERN WASHINGTON TONIGHT WITH MANY SPOTS DIPPING INTO THE LOWER TO 
MID 20S. MOST OF THE REGION WILL REMAIN BELOW FREEZING ON SUNDAY 
WITH AFTERNOON HIGHS ONLY IN THE MID 20S TO LOWER 30S. IN ADDITION 
WINDY CONDITIONS WILL ACCOMPANY THE ARRIVAL OF THE ARCTIC AIR MASS 
TONIGHT AND SUNDAY...ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH INTERIOR OF WESTERN 
WASHINGTON.

SNOW SHOWERS TONIGHT AND SUNDAY COULD PRODUCE LOCAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 
1 TO 3 INCHES...CREATING SLIPPERY ROADS AND SIDEWALKS. ROADWAYS AND 
OTHER SURFACES THAT ARE ALREADY WET WILL QUICKLY BECOME ICY AND 
DANGEROUS. THE FRIGID WEATHER COULD BURST OUTDOOR PIPES AND ENDANGER 
PETS AS WELL. WIND CHILL IS ANOTHER THING THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED. IN 
THE NORTHWEST INTERIOR THE COMBINATION OF SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES 
AND WINDY CONDITIONS WILL CREATE APPARENT TEMPERATURES NEAR ZERO 
DEGREES FAHRENHEIT...LOW ENOUGH TO CAUSE FROSTBITE TO EXPOSED SKIN.

TEMPERATURES WILL DROP FURTHER ON MONDAY...AS VERY COLD AIR 
CONTINUES TO FUNNEL THROUGH THE FRASER RIVER VALLEY OF SOUTHERN 
BRITISH COLUMBIA AND INTO WESTERN WASHINGTON. BY MONDAY...DAYTIME 
HIGHS WILL GENERALLY REACH ONLY THE 20S WITH NIGHTTIME LOWS IN THE 
TEENS OR LOWER. THE COLD AIR MASS WILL SIT OVER THE REGION FOR THE 
REST OF THE WEEK...WITH MOST ALL OF WESTERN WASHINGTON REMAINING 
NEAR OR BELOW FREEZING EVEN DURING THE DAYTIME. THIS WILL LIKELY BE 
THE MOST PROLONGED STREAK OF SUB-FREEZING WEATHER SINCE DECEMBER 
1990.

IN ADDITION...A WEATHER SYSTEM ON WEDNESDAY COULD INTERACT WITH THE 
STUBBORN COLD AIR MASS TO PRODUCE A RENEWED THREAT OF ACCUMULATING 
SNOW ACROSS THE WESTERN WASHINGTON LOWLANDS.

OVER THE MOUNTAINS...TEMPERATURES WILL FALL INTO THE TEENS AND 
SINGLE DIGITS TONIGHT AND REMAIN VERY COLD FOR MUCH OF THE WEEK 
AHEAD. WIND CHILL VALUES OF 20 BELOW ZERO CAN BE EXPECTED AT TIMES 
...WHICH WOULD CAUSE FROSTBITE TO EXPOSED SKIN IN ONLY ABOUT 15 
MINUTES.

PLEASE BE PREPARED FOR AN UNUSUALLY PROLONGED AND INTENSE PERIOD OF 
COLD WINTER WEATHER.
MCDONNAL
WEATHER.GOV/SEATTLE

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Our biggest snow in December 2008 was the 22nd. The storm on the 20th was massive for PDX, but we were on the very southern edge. Started as rain, turned to snow, and then was mixed

with sleet and ZR for quite some time. We got about 4” of snow in Silverton on the valley floor. Then about 1/2” of ZR on a pretty thick layer of sleet. I’d say it was our 3rd biggest icing event of my life after 2021 and 2004. Lost a lot of limbs on my dads property the evening of the 21st when the temp briefly climbed above freezing as we mixed out for a few hours. Then the morning of the 22nd a little vort max tracked across NW Oregon and we got about 8” of snow. The snow line on the 20th was just south of silverton along the Waldo Hills, I think on the 22nd it snowed down to about the Marion/Linn county line. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

4 minutes ago, MossMan said:

If memory serves me correctly we got about 2” or so on the 13th and then the real action started on the 15th and it basically did not stop until the 26th. Matt better be correct with his prediction for this December! 
 

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
314 PM PST SAT DEC 13 2008
SAN JUAN COUNTY-WESTERN WHATCOM COUNTY-SOUTHWEST INTERIOR-
EAST PUGET SOUND LOWLANDS-WESTERN SKAGIT COUNTY-EVERETT AND VICINITY-
SEATTLE/BREMERTON AREA-TACOMA AREA-ADMIRALTY INLET AREA-
HOOD CANAL AREA-LOWER CHEHALIS VALLEY AREA-OLYMPICS-
EASTERN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA-WESTERN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA-
NORTH COAST-CENTRAL COAST-WEST SLOPES NORTHERN CASCADES AND PASSES-
WEST SLOPES CENTRAL CASCADES AND PASSES-
314 PM PST SAT DEC 13 2008

...THE LONGEST STREAK OF COLD WEATHER SINCE DECEMBER 1990 IS ON THE 
WAY...

WHILE THE POSSIBILITY OF LOWLAND SNOW SHOWERS IS IN THE FORECAST AT 
TIMES OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS...IT IS THE FRIGIDLY COLD TEMPERATURES 
EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT WEEK THAT COULD HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT ON 
WESTERN WASHINGTON.

AN ARCTIC AIR MASS WILL STREAM INTO WESTERN WASHINGTON TONIGHT AND 
SUNDAY...IN THE WAKE OF AN ARCTIC FRONT MOVING SOUTH THROUGH THE 
AREA THIS AFTERNOON. TEMPERATURES WILL FALL BELOW FREEZING ACROSS 
WESTERN WASHINGTON TONIGHT WITH MANY SPOTS DIPPING INTO THE LOWER TO 
MID 20S. MOST OF THE REGION WILL REMAIN BELOW FREEZING ON SUNDAY 
WITH AFTERNOON HIGHS ONLY IN THE MID 20S TO LOWER 30S. IN ADDITION 
WINDY CONDITIONS WILL ACCOMPANY THE ARRIVAL OF THE ARCTIC AIR MASS 
TONIGHT AND SUNDAY...ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH INTERIOR OF WESTERN 
WASHINGTON.

SNOW SHOWERS TONIGHT AND SUNDAY COULD PRODUCE LOCAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 
1 TO 3 INCHES...CREATING SLIPPERY ROADS AND SIDEWALKS. ROADWAYS AND 
OTHER SURFACES THAT ARE ALREADY WET WILL QUICKLY BECOME ICY AND 
DANGEROUS. THE FRIGID WEATHER COULD BURST OUTDOOR PIPES AND ENDANGER 
PETS AS WELL. WIND CHILL IS ANOTHER THING THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED. IN 
THE NORTHWEST INTERIOR THE COMBINATION OF SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES 
AND WINDY CONDITIONS WILL CREATE APPARENT TEMPERATURES NEAR ZERO 
DEGREES FAHRENHEIT...LOW ENOUGH TO CAUSE FROSTBITE TO EXPOSED SKIN.

TEMPERATURES WILL DROP FURTHER ON MONDAY...AS VERY COLD AIR 
CONTINUES TO FUNNEL THROUGH THE FRASER RIVER VALLEY OF SOUTHERN 
BRITISH COLUMBIA AND INTO WESTERN WASHINGTON. BY MONDAY...DAYTIME 
HIGHS WILL GENERALLY REACH ONLY THE 20S WITH NIGHTTIME LOWS IN THE 
TEENS OR LOWER. THE COLD AIR MASS WILL SIT OVER THE REGION FOR THE 
REST OF THE WEEK...WITH MOST ALL OF WESTERN WASHINGTON REMAINING 
NEAR OR BELOW FREEZING EVEN DURING THE DAYTIME. THIS WILL LIKELY BE 
THE MOST PROLONGED STREAK OF SUB-FREEZING WEATHER SINCE DECEMBER 
1990.

IN ADDITION...A WEATHER SYSTEM ON WEDNESDAY COULD INTERACT WITH THE 
STUBBORN COLD AIR MASS TO PRODUCE A RENEWED THREAT OF ACCUMULATING 
SNOW ACROSS THE WESTERN WASHINGTON LOWLANDS.

OVER THE MOUNTAINS...TEMPERATURES WILL FALL INTO THE TEENS AND 
SINGLE DIGITS TONIGHT AND REMAIN VERY COLD FOR MUCH OF THE WEEK 
AHEAD. WIND CHILL VALUES OF 20 BELOW ZERO CAN BE EXPECTED AT TIMES 
...WHICH WOULD CAUSE FROSTBITE TO EXPOSED SKIN IN ONLY ABOUT 15 
MINUTES.

PLEASE BE PREPARED FOR AN UNUSUALLY PROLONGED AND INTENSE PERIOD OF 
COLD WINTER WEATHER.
MCDONNAL
WEATHER.GOV/SEATTLE

That must have been exciting.

[Cloud]

Got down to 35 this morning with a nice coating of frost. Now 54 with sunshine. Pleasant Halloween day. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

The snow on December 14, 2008 was interesting. We had a solid dusting early that morning, but melted and temps reached the low 40s by early afternoon in southerly low level flow. Then around 3p the wind switched back to north and there was some Precip along the boundary, picked up about 2” of snow and then enjoyed a couple cold sunny days afterwards.

[MossMan]

2 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

That must have been exciting.

My excitement really started the very end of November/first few days of December when the forum really started smelling something brewing and that excitement lasted through Christmas Day! 

[Deweydog]

22 minutes ago, MossMan said:

If memory serves me correctly we got about 2” or so on the 13th and then the real action started on the 15th and it basically did not stop until the 26th. Matt better be correct with his prediction for this December! 
 

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
314 PM PST SAT DEC 13 2008
SAN JUAN COUNTY-WESTERN WHATCOM COUNTY-SOUTHWEST INTERIOR-
EAST PUGET SOUND LOWLANDS-WESTERN SKAGIT COUNTY-EVERETT AND VICINITY-
SEATTLE/BREMERTON AREA-TACOMA AREA-ADMIRALTY INLET AREA-
HOOD CANAL AREA-LOWER CHEHALIS VALLEY AREA-OLYMPICS-
EASTERN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA-WESTERN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA-
NORTH COAST-CENTRAL COAST-WEST SLOPES NORTHERN CASCADES AND PASSES-
WEST SLOPES CENTRAL CASCADES AND PASSES-
314 PM PST SAT DEC 13 2008

...THE LONGEST STREAK OF COLD WEATHER SINCE DECEMBER 1990 IS ON THE 
WAY...

WHILE THE POSSIBILITY OF LOWLAND SNOW SHOWERS IS IN THE FORECAST AT 
TIMES OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS...IT IS THE FRIGIDLY COLD TEMPERATURES 
EXPECTED OVER THE NEXT WEEK THAT COULD HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT ON 
WESTERN WASHINGTON.

AN ARCTIC AIR MASS WILL STREAM INTO WESTERN WASHINGTON TONIGHT AND 
SUNDAY...IN THE WAKE OF AN ARCTIC FRONT MOVING SOUTH THROUGH THE 
AREA THIS AFTERNOON. TEMPERATURES WILL FALL BELOW FREEZING ACROSS 
WESTERN WASHINGTON TONIGHT WITH MANY SPOTS DIPPING INTO THE LOWER TO 
MID 20S. MOST OF THE REGION WILL REMAIN BELOW FREEZING ON SUNDAY 
WITH AFTERNOON HIGHS ONLY IN THE MID 20S TO LOWER 30S. IN ADDITION 
WINDY CONDITIONS WILL ACCOMPANY THE ARRIVAL OF THE ARCTIC AIR MASS 
TONIGHT AND SUNDAY...ESPECIALLY IN THE NORTH INTERIOR OF WESTERN 
WASHINGTON.

SNOW SHOWERS TONIGHT AND SUNDAY COULD PRODUCE LOCAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 
1 TO 3 INCHES...CREATING SLIPPERY ROADS AND SIDEWALKS. ROADWAYS AND 
OTHER SURFACES THAT ARE ALREADY WET WILL QUICKLY BECOME ICY AND 
DANGEROUS. THE FRIGID WEATHER COULD BURST OUTDOOR PIPES AND ENDANGER 
PETS AS WELL. WIND CHILL IS ANOTHER THING THAT CANNOT BE IGNORED. IN 
THE NORTHWEST INTERIOR THE COMBINATION OF SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES 
AND WINDY CONDITIONS WILL CREATE APPARENT TEMPERATURES NEAR ZERO 
DEGREES FAHRENHEIT...LOW ENOUGH TO CAUSE FROSTBITE TO EXPOSED SKIN.

TEMPERATURES WILL DROP FURTHER ON MONDAY...AS VERY COLD AIR 
CONTINUES TO FUNNEL THROUGH THE FRASER RIVER VALLEY OF SOUTHERN 
BRITISH COLUMBIA AND INTO WESTERN WASHINGTON. BY MONDAY...DAYTIME 
HIGHS WILL GENERALLY REACH ONLY THE 20S WITH NIGHTTIME LOWS IN THE 
TEENS OR LOWER. THE COLD AIR MASS WILL SIT OVER THE REGION FOR THE 
REST OF THE WEEK...WITH MOST ALL OF WESTERN WASHINGTON REMAINING 
NEAR OR BELOW FREEZING EVEN DURING THE DAYTIME. THIS WILL LIKELY BE 
THE MOST PROLONGED STREAK OF SUB-FREEZING WEATHER SINCE DECEMBER 1990.  AT THE VERY LEAST IT WILL BE THE COLDEST AND SNOWIEST DECEMBER FOR ANOTHER 13 YEARS DESPITE SOME COVID-08 SURVIVOR IN MARYLAND PROCLAIMING “DECEMBER 2008 ONLY COLDER AND SNOWIER” ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS. ANYWAY, THAT HAS ABOUT AS GOOD A CHANCE OF HAPPENING AS DONALD TRUMP BECOMING POTUS OR PDX HITTING 116 DEGREES SIX MONTHS BEFORE THIS UPCOMING COLD SNAP GETS PUSHED BACK ON THE SHELF. GO HAWKS! AND SPEAKING OF THE SUCKY SEAHAWKS, HOPEFULLY THEY HAVE THEIR EYES ON A HS SENIOR NAMED GENO SMITH WHO IS ABSOLUTELY DOMINATING THE SPORT. FRANCHISE PLAYER UPCOMING ACCORDING TO ALL ENSEMBLE BLENDS. IT’S A LOCK.

IN ADDITION...A WEATHER SYSTEM ON WEDNESDAY COULD INTERACT WITH THE 
STUBBORN COLD AIR MASS TO PRODUCE A RENEWED THREAT OF ACCUMULATING 
SNOW ACROSS THE WESTERN WASHINGTON LOWLANDS.

OVER THE MOUNTAINS...TEMPERATURES WILL FALL INTO THE TEENS AND 
SINGLE DIGITS TONIGHT AND REMAIN VERY COLD FOR MUCH OF THE WEEK 
AHEAD. WIND CHILL VALUES OF 20 BELOW ZERO CAN BE EXPECTED AT TIMES 
...WHICH WOULD CAUSE FROSTBITE TO EXPOSED SKIN IN ONLY ABOUT 15 
MINUTES.

PLEASE BE PREPARED FOR AN UNUSUALLY PROLONGED AND INTENSE PERIOD OF 
COLD WINTER WEATHER.
MCDONNAL
WEATHER.GOV/SEATTLE

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[Cloud]

The aurora put on quite a show this morning. Bust? What bust?  Just take a look! 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Some long time members had meltdowns on 12/14/08.

[Deweydog]

3 minutes ago, Cloud said:

The aurora put on quite a show this morning. Bust? What bust?  Just take a look! 

Poor Chris still can’t see it.

[Deweydog]

Gorgeous day!

[snow_wizard]

Pretty decent EPS today.  Nice signal on the mean and downright chilly on the control for week two.

[snow_wizard]

1 hour ago, Deweydog said:

 

Embrace the warmth.  You’ll appreciate in 6-8 weeks.

I think the chances are decent of a bit of an appetizer in November.

[snow_wizard]

30 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Some long time members had meltdowns on 12/14/08.

I think that was due to a low that was progged to track a ways north and wipe out the cold air.  As it turns out that happened, but it was very short lived.

[snow_wizard]

The EPS shows all of the indices minus at the end of the run.  Certainly a shot at a cold snap in there.

[Deweydog]

19 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

I think the chances are decent of a bit of an appetizer in November.

[MossMan]

3 minutes ago, Deweydog said:

Alec Baldwin? 
Does he like snow? 

[TT-SEA]

17 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

The EPS shows all of the indices minus at the end of the run.  Certainly a shot at a cold snap in there.

Hope its not as cold as this current cold snap.  

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Looks like Springfield is gonna have another warmer and drier than normal month...again.

If you like interesting weather, put this location at the bottom of your list.

[GHweatherChris]

3 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Alec Baldwin? 
Does he like snow? 

Alec only points guns at people.

[Anti Marine Layer]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Hope its not as cold as this current cold snap.  

Coming to Palm Springs or Phoenix soon?

[LowerGarfield]

Happy Halloween. Has anyone ever done a weather /climate /model related costume? It was cold this morning but now is sunny and borderline coat weather. Tonight will be a different story though.

 

Edit: this morning at 8am I had 39 and fog, which I suspect may been freezing fog earlier.

Lots of moisture at that time. Thought I had posted but must have skipped my mind.

[snow_wizard]

15 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Alec Baldwin? 
Does he like snow? 

Oh that's bad.  I couldn't help but laugh though.

[snow_wizard]

15 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Hope its not as cold as this current cold snap.  

I said mini cold snap and it has been.  Starting with Friday the highs and lows have been below normal with the exception of today's highs.  Some places got really cold last night and decently cold Friday night.  Besides that max temps were well below normal on Friday.

[AbbyJr]

[ShawniganLake]

“2008 only snowier”

[Phil]

Andrew’s CFS gets stupid cold just about everywhere in late Nov/early Dec (except for CA).

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Light winds and 56°F. The bright sun makes it feel warmer than that temperature. Quite the contrast to the freezing morning.

[Meatyorologist]

5 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

That is lucky with you being so close to the water.  There are so many factors that go into a making a place a good frost pocket.

We’re actually in a bit of a ‘bowl’ with 300’ tall hills surrounding us in all directions. And remember, prevailing winds are from the west, which places even taller terrain, around 400-500’, in between us and the Sound.

As for easterlies? Fugghet abut it. Easterlies during the winter can make for some zany temperature differences over only a mile or less, with frost in the valley and 50s and wind a couple hundred feet up on the hills, often delineated by a sharp, almost instantaneous temperature boundary over the course of a single city block.

[TT-SEA]

North Bend station at 62... making it the warmest Halloween since 2009 which was the first year of data at that station. 

 

[Deweydog]

49 minutes ago, Phil said:

Andrew’s CFS gets stupid cold just about everywhere in late Nov/early Dec (except for CA).

It’s this stuff that makes me nervous about my bullish forecast.

[Deweydog]

1 hour ago, LowerGarfield said:

Happy Halloween. Has anyone ever done a weather /climate /model related costume? It was cold this morning but now is sunny and borderline coat weather. Tonight will be a different story though.

 

Edit: this morning at 8am I had 39 and fog, which I suspect may been freezing fog earlier.

Lots of moisture at that time. Thought I had posted but must have skipped my mind.

I went as the Kona Low one year and did a two-man costume as a ridge bridge another.  

[SouthHillFrosty]

Nice day in Des Moines

[TT-SEA]

Wall-to-wall sunshine and perfect temps all weekend... and the Cougs/Huskies/Seahawks all won.    Living the dream this weekend!     I am sure next weekend will slap me back to reality.  

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Lake Whatcom from Anderson Mountain yesterday afternoon.

[Gradient Keeper]

3 hours ago, Cloud said:

The aurora put on quite a show this morning. Bust? What bust?  Just take a look! 

This reminds me of the time I waited for the eclipse, but I missed it, so I put a piece of bologna on the window. Nah I didn't. I dunno who made this.

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Lake Whatcom from Anderson Mountain yesterday afternoon.

Wow!   Great picture.

We have spent many summer days in the last 15 years on the boat tubing and swimming around the south side of that island which is usually the wind protected side.     This was Labor Day 2017... parked right next to that island.  

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Looking like first half of November is going to torch big time. 

[Gradient Keeper]

3 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Some long time members had meltdowns on 12/14/08.

To be perfectly honest I briefly had a weenie panic moment thinking the low off southern Vancouver Island was hanging up too long and wasn't going to drop south Lol. That was a rainy and very windy day ahead of it gusts 45mph+. The arctic front set up over PDX just south of the Columbia River and we had one round of snow showers after another from SE PDX down to Oregon City, Estacada. I had 3-5" for 3-4 consecutive mornings. Then we had back-to-back blizzards I think on the 18th and 21st. 30" on the ground Christmas Eve morning. FUN TIMES! C'MON!!!!

00z ECMWF(Christmas Eve) in 1,302 hours 26 minutes

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Wow!   Great picture.

We have spent many summer days in the last 15 years on the boat tubing and swimming around the south side of that island which is usually the wind protected side.     This was Labor Day 2017... parked right next to that island.  

Thanks. I really like that viewpoint. It’s not on any maps, and the access road (which does not go all the way there, there is a short hike involved) is closed most of the year. Plus the trail, and all the roads to it, are unmarked. I found that view spot by accident last year. It’s over 1,000 feet higher than the classic viewpoint off the Chanterelle Trail, and unlike that viewpoint lets you take in the entire lake in one glance.