Cascadia_Wx Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 Not terrible. 1 1 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighHillsRunner Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 11 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said: Not terrible. Let’s go climo! And let’s Sco Ducks!! 2 Quote Portland | Raleigh Hills/West Sylvan | 350’ ”All models are wrong, some are useful.” -G. Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia_Wx Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 10 minutes ago, RaleighHillsRunner said: Let’s go climo! And let’s Sco Ducks!! I have no idea what the second one is. But yeah!! 1 1 Quote Summer grows while Winter goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Desert Mat? Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 What were the years 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 enso type? I know ‘15-‘16 was an El Niño but the year before? Just trying to correlate multi Nino years that go into a La Niña. I’m aware that we had a multi Nina and then went into a El Niño and now heading back to a La Niña. Looking for any possible correlations to ‘16-‘17. Great year for winter weather all around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 14 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said: I have no idea what the second one is. But yeah!! Sports! You are in the lead apparently! Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighHillsRunner Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 13 minutes ago, MossMan said: Sports! You are in the lead apparently! Haha yes! Ducks just upset the #6 seed. March Madness baby 3 2 1 Quote Portland | Raleigh Hills/West Sylvan | 350’ ”All models are wrong, some are useful.” -G. Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted March 21 Report Share Posted March 21 33 minutes ago, RaleighHillsRunner said: Haha yes! Ducks just upset the #6 seed. March Madness baby Gonna be getting happy @SilverFallsAndrew for a couple of hours at least. 3 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted March 21 Author Report Share Posted March 21 Survive and advance! Go Ducks! 7 1 2 1 1 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatyorologist Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 18z GFS is the most neutral possible solution for Seattle. A balanced mix of warm, cool, sun, clouds, rain, and wind. Spring climo. 1 2 1 Quote Weather stats for MBY Snowfall: -Total snowfall since joining: 50.25" -2018-19: 21" -2019-20: 2.5" -2020-21: 13" -2021-22: 8.75" -2022-23: 5.75" -2023-24*: 0.25" -Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024 -Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021 -Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019 Temperatures: -Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021 -Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021 -Phreeze Count 2023-24: 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, TT-SEA said: There was lots of chatter on here about a cold summer in 2022. Instead it was the hottest summer ever... at least for SEA. Yeah I think because of how cold/troughy that spring was, many assumed it would continue into summer given -ENSO. I thought it might. The large 4CH was well-predicted, though. Yet it still ended up overperforming even the most extreme projections, significantly influencing the weather in BC/PNW even into August. Same with 2021. Basically the entire western half of the lower-48 ended up roasting and burning both years. Good news is this year’s 4CH shouldn’t be nearly as bloated. But exactly how prominent it becomes will partially hinge on how quickly westerly shear descends in the tropical stratosphere (which cannot be determined just yet). So it’s a waiting game for now. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, High Desert Mat? said: What were the years 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 enso type? I know ‘15-‘16 was an El Niño but the year before? Just trying to correlate multi Nino years that go into a La Niña. I’m aware that we had a multi Nina and then went into a El Niño and now heading back to a La Niña. Looking for any possible correlations to ‘16-‘17. Great year for winter weather all around. Weak El Niño though it was IPWP/WPAC forcing that dominated through the winter. Unless ENSO is strong, peripheral/external forcings are equally if not more important. 2014/15 and 2019/20 had almost the same ONI, but very different winter patterns because tropical forcing/general circulation outside ENSO were so different. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bainbridgekid Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 DOWN GOES KENTUCKY First round insanity continues. 1 3 2 Quote Everett Snowfall (510 feet elevation) Snow since February 2019: 91" 2023-24: 6" 2022-23: 17.5" 2021-22: 17.75" 2020-21: 14.5” 2019-20: 10.5" 2018-19: 24.75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontal Snowsquall Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 hours ago, Anti Marine Layer said: There's 3 Jesses. @Jesse @Cascadia_Wx @CascadiaWx 4 hours ago, MossMan said: I wonder which one of the 3 likes sports…It was a big day for him!! Jesse lives in East Vancouver. Cascadia lives in Camas. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, RaleighHillsRunner said: Haha yes! Ducks just upset the #6 seed. March Madness baby They were actually favored. Weird for a #11 seed, but apparently correct! 1 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: Survive and advance! Go Ducks! Way to beat those C0CKS! 2 2 1 1 2 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 HEAVY RAIN in Napavine! MARCH MADNESS!! 1 1 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 hours ago, TT-SEA said: There was lots of chatter on here about a cold summer in 2022. Instead it was the hottest summer ever... at least for SEA. For OLM, 2021, 2015, 1967, and 1958 were all hotter. Probably missing one or two others. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontal Snowsquall Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 23 hours ago, Phil said: Wildfires are supposed to be a west coast/PNW problem. Why are they suddenly a thing here? This never used to happen. March is always dry and windy. Have never seen the entire Shenandoah Valley spontaneously combust like this. Breaks my D**n heart. The NWS out there says it’s not that uncommon. Good news though, looks like rain is coming on Friday that should help with the wildfires. “According to NWS offices in Washington, D.C. and Blacksburg, Virginia, the amount of fire activity is not unprecedented when compared to previous firestorms over the last few decades. Widespread rains are expected to drench the region on Friday but not before another dry day, with relative humidity values of between 10% and 20% on Thursday.” https://www.foxweather.com/extreme-weather/mid-atlantic-fire-outbreak.amp 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 My uncle in Minnesota and I’s conversation on FB today! 5 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontal Snowsquall Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 5 hours ago, TT-SEA said: Chasing a ghost at this range... but 12Z ECMWF AI run shows a very similar set up to our recent warm spell late in the run. Centered just a little farther south. Good setup for offshore to reach the beaches again. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Hey all, just wanted to remind you all to take care of your self everyday. We had the biggest scare of our lives on Tuesday morning, we thought I was having a heart attack, heart rate approaching 200 bpm, heavy breathing, chest pain... it ended up not being one after a 911 call, ambulance ride and hours of tests in the ER. Apparently my body has been fighting some stuff since I got over covid in February that I was not aware of and the previous day I had a stomach bug that severely dehydrated me even though I was pounding water to offset it, all that along with life stress and work stress caught up with me and I had a major anxiety attack that mimicked a heart attack, plus I have a little pneumonia going on as well that i was not aware of. I am on a massive load of antibiotics and on a get as much rest as possible regime through the weeken. It was scary, my wife and daughter handled everything like champions, but god D**n, I was so effing scared. Be awesome weirdos, today was a nice day of drizzle and temps in the 50's. 1 3 1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Mode Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said: Hey all, just wanted to remind you all to take care of your self everyday. We had the biggest scare of our lives on Tuesday morning, we thought I was having a heart attack, heart rate approaching 200 bpm, heavy breathing, chest pain... it ended up not being one after a 911 call, ambulance ride and hours of tests in the ER. Apparently my body has been fighting some stuff since I got over covid in February that I was not aware of and the previous day I had a stomach bug that severely dehydrated me even though I was pounding water to offset it, all that along with life stress and work stress caught up with me and I had a major anxiety attack that mimicked a heart attack, plus I have a little pneumonia going on as well that i was not aware of. I am on a massive load of antibiotics and on a get as much rest as possible regime through the weeken. It was scary, my wife and daughter handled everything like champions, but god D**n, I was so effing scared. Be awesome weirdos, today was a nice day of drizzle and temps in the 50's. GEEEZEEEE! Scary! Glad you are okay. When I had my stroke I was lucky enough that my sister was close by, I was sort of denying it, but super glad I went to the hospital! Here's hoping for rapid improvement! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phishy Wx Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said: Hey all, just wanted to remind you all to take care of your self everyday. We had the biggest scare of our lives on Tuesday morning, we thought I was having a heart attack, heart rate approaching 200 bpm, heavy breathing, chest pain... it ended up not being one after a 911 call, ambulance ride and hours of tests in the ER. Apparently my body has been fighting some stuff since I got over covid in February that I was not aware of and the previous day I had a stomach bug that severely dehydrated me even though I was pounding water to offset it, all that along with life stress and work stress caught up with me and I had a major anxiety attack that mimicked a heart attack, plus I have a little pneumonia going on as well that i was not aware of. I am on a massive load of antibiotics and on a get as much rest as possible regime through the weeken. It was scary, my wife and daughter handled everything like champions, but god D**n, I was so effing scared. Be awesome weirdos, today was a nice day of drizzle and temps in the 50's. glad you're ok man, I experienced something similar around 10 years ago, the anxiety attack part that felt like I was dying 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Just now, Tyler Mode said: GEEEZEEEE! Scary! Glad you are okay. When I had my stroke I was lucky enough that my sister was close by, I was sort of denying it, but super glad I went to the hospital! Here's hoping for rapid improvement! If it had happened 10 minutes later I would have been home alone without a way to dial 911, my fingers were locked and contorted, even though it wasn't a heart attack the medics said that if they hadn't gotten there as soon as they did my heart rate would have continued to rise and I most likely would have went in to cardiac arrest, I am so thankful things worked out the way they did, don't want it to happen again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 minute ago, Phishy Wx said: glad you're ok man, I experienced something similar around 10 years ago, the anxiety attack part that felt like I was dying Sorry you had to go through it as well, it's a horrible feeling for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighHillsRunner Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 20 minutes ago, Frontal Snowsquall said: Good setup for offshore to reach the beaches again. Gah! Missed it by a week on both sides. All good tho. 1 Quote Portland | Raleigh Hills/West Sylvan | 350’ ”All models are wrong, some are useful.” -G. Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 7 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said: If it had happened 10 minutes later I would have been home alone without a way to dial 911, my fingers were locked and contorted, even though it wasn't a heart attack the medics said that if they hadn't gotten there as soon as they did my heart rate would have continued to rise and I most likely would have went in to cardiac arrest, I am so thankful things worked out the way they did, don't want it to happen again. Wow... can't imagine how scary that was. Very glad your family was there when it happened. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, RaleighHillsRunner said: Gah! Missed it by a week on both sides. All good tho. Hasn't happened yet... might not. 2 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Oh heck yes! 2 1 1 3 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 20 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said: Hey all, just wanted to remind you all to take care of your self everyday. We had the biggest scare of our lives on Tuesday morning, we thought I was having a heart attack, heart rate approaching 200 bpm, heavy breathing, chest pain... it ended up not being one after a 911 call, ambulance ride and hours of tests in the ER. Apparently my body has been fighting some stuff since I got over covid in February that I was not aware of and the previous day I had a stomach bug that severely dehydrated me even though I was pounding water to offset it, all that along with life stress and work stress caught up with me and I had a major anxiety attack that mimicked a heart attack, plus I have a little pneumonia going on as well that i was not aware of. I am on a massive load of antibiotics and on a get as much rest as possible regime through the weeken. It was scary, my wife and daughter handled everything like champions, but god D**n, I was so effing scared. Be awesome weirdos, today was a nice day of drizzle and temps in the 50's. Glad you are still with us! Hopefully the antibiotics kick the remnants of the crud quickly. I hear ya, it’s scary as hell. In late January I had a less extreme version of that happen. For me it turned out to be purely stress and lack of sleep. I tell ya, stop by the busy walk in clinic and tell them you are having chest pains radiating to your elbow and a rapid pulse, and you are in a room in under 2 minutes getting the work over! 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunriver Snow Zone Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 4 hours ago, High Desert Mat? said: What were the years 2014-2015 and 2015-2016 enso type? I know ‘15-‘16 was an El Niño but the year before? Just trying to correlate multi Nino years that go into a La Niña. I’m aware that we had a multi Nina and then went into a El Niño and now heading back to a La Niña. Looking for any possible correlations to ‘16-‘17. Great year for winter weather all around. 2016-2017 redux PLEASE, IM BEGGING!! Just with a white Christmas this time, 2016 Christmas although there was a lot of snow on the ground, didn't get much fresh snow on Christmas. 1 Quote Coldest temp this winter: -7 Jan 13th Snow depth at Mount Bachelor (last updated March 27th) 107" Snow depth at my home (updated March 27th): none 23-24 seasonal snowfall at home (updated March 27th): 84" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, MossMan said: Glad you are still with us! Hopefully the antibiotics kick the remnants of the crud quickly. I hear ya, it’s scary as hell. In late January I had a less extreme version of that happen. For me it turned out to be purely stress and lack of sleep. I tell ya, stop by the busy walk in clinic and tell them you are having chest pains radiating to your elbow and a rapid pulse, and you are in a room in under 2 minutes getting the work over! There was no way my wife was gonna try to drive me considering my condition at the time lol, we have a fire station a block away, they were here in our house in less than 3 minutes of her dialing 911, but you are right, if you show up with the right symptoms you can skip to the head of the line at some clinics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Featured Comment Sunriver Snow Zone Posted March 22 Featured Comment Report Share Posted March 22 F**k the Ducks, worst team in any sport. Go Washington state, every beaver fan needs to root for them! Only team that didn't abandon the pac12, wsu needs to prove that the remaining PAC2 did not deserve to be abandoned! 3 1 1 1 5 1 Quote Coldest temp this winter: -7 Jan 13th Snow depth at Mount Bachelor (last updated March 27th) 107" Snow depth at my home (updated March 27th): none 23-24 seasonal snowfall at home (updated March 27th): 84" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bainbridgekid Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 1 hour ago, Front Ranger said: Way to beat those C0CKS! My 4th grade class filled out brackets this morning and some of them kept asking me what the mascots are to help with their picks. The Gamecocks elicited quite the gigglefest. 4 Quote Everett Snowfall (510 feet elevation) Snow since February 2019: 91" 2023-24: 6" 2022-23: 17.5" 2021-22: 17.75" 2020-21: 14.5” 2019-20: 10.5" 2018-19: 24.75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 2 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said: F**k the Ducks, worst team in any sport. Go Washington state, every beaver fan needs to root for them! Only team that didn't abandon the pac12, wsu needs to prove that the remaining PAC2 did not deserve to be abandoned! 50% if the Pac 12 made it to the tourney!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 39 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said: 2016-2017 redux PLEASE, IM BEGGING!! Just with a white Christmas this time, 2016 Christmas although there was a lot of snow on the ground, didn't get much fresh snow on Christmas. Nah. That winter was okayish for the most part but was mostly separate small little events that only added up to a Slushy Inch each time for the most part here. The cold air bled so slowly in up here with all the backdoor action that the snow would melt off before it got cold enough to stick around. 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Cougs!!! 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 Just now, TT-SEA said: Cougs!!! Did you hear the Ducks won today? Dana Altman now 8-0 in first round games as ducks coach. Tried to find the Husky game, but didn't see it on tonight. 2 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 My wife's friend used to be one of the assistant coaches at WSU when Ernie Kent was there. He went to UO and played for Kent there. He got us some nice tix a few years ago when the Cougs were in town. Obviously WSU had to get rid of Kent to find success. Last I heard her friend was teaching school and coaching ball in the Portland area. Nice guy, almost a full foot taller than me. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted March 22 Report Share Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: My wife's friend used to be one of the assistant coaches at WSU when Ernie Kent was there. He went to UO and played for Kent there. He got us some nice tix a few years ago when the Cougs were in town. Obviously WSU had to get rid of Kent to find success. Last I heard her friend was teaching school and coaching ball in the Portland area. Nice guy, almost a full foot taller than me. What are his thoughts the upcoming FIRE season? Next winter? 1 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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