April 2024 Weather in the PNW

[Front Ranger]

40 minutes ago, Cold Snap said:

One record I think is absolutely insane is the 14.3” of snow Bozeman got on June 13, 2001. The fact that happened during meteorological summer is crazy. Though it was recorded on the MSU campus weather station and not at the airport.

Yeah, that's wild. Even places like Jackson Hole, WY have never seen that much in June.

I know Cheyenne did get like 8" in June 1947. That storm brought significant snow down to about 6500' in the foothills west of Denver.

[Front Ranger]

4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

I have actually taken that approach much more when things aren't going the way I like... and not just with weather.   

That's healthy. But deny it all you want, you also use it when it's convenient sometimes. Very human of you.

[Front Ranger]

50 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

It's an absolute beast on the all the models.   Be nice if it was just moving through and not parking for the next 2 weeks.   But I think the anticipated warm season ridge over the middle of the continent might be becoming established early.    We will have to wait until it expands more.

Looking at the last couple really warm summers for the middle of the country, 2022 and 2012...the pattern definitely got established early in 2012, but it didn't really in 2022 (except in Texas).

I think Phil and others are envisioning something more along the lines of 2012 this summer. But this spring, while warm in the eastern half of the US, has been a far cry from that one.

 

[Phil]

39 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

No **** Sherlock, obviously I know the answer.

 

It was to prove a point.

You don’t have a point. The context was *leaving town* on a day with desirable weather, to a destination with more desirable weather. Not *returning home* to desirable weather.

[Phil]

17 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

Looking at the last couple really warm summers for the middle of the country, 2022 and 2012...the pattern definitely got established early in 2012, but it didn't really in 2022 (except in Texas).

I think Phil and others are envisioning something more along the lines of 2012 this summer. But this spring, while warm in the eastern half of the US, has been a far cry from that one.

 

This would be a closer match to 2010 than 2012. Because 2012 wasn’t coming off a strong niño, where-as there are still niño-like elements to the current base state (albeit attenuating).

Of course there will be subseasonal scale differences as well. Unwise to project from any analog pool alone. 

[Phil]

The last 2 months have already established a warm CONUS pattern which, when manifesting during post-niño springs, almost always precedes warm summers nationally.

This bears striking resemblance to spring 2010. Only difference is cool anomalies aren’t as prevalent (I suspect the same will hold true during the summer).

[Phil]

The impressive speed of this CCKW across the Pacific is another indicator the niño is losing its grip on higher frequency elements of tropical forcing.

[YahRaEl]

20 minutes ago, Phil said:

The last 2 months have already established a warm CONUS pattern which, when manifesting during post-niño springs, almost always precedes warm summers nationally.

This bears striking resemblance to spring 2010. Only difference is cool anomalies aren’t as prevalent (I suspect the same will hold true during the summer).

 

[Front Ranger]

50 minutes ago, Phil said:

This would be a closer match to 2010 than 2012. Because 2012 wasn’t coming off a strong niño, where-as there are still niño-like elements to the current base state (albeit attenuating).

Of course there will be subseasonal scale differences as well. Unwise to project from any analog pool alone. 

Yeah, I don't think 2012 is a good analog, was just looking at semi-recent years with hot summers in the middle of the continent. Seeing if there was any indication the summer pattern would be getting established by now.

[Front Ranger]

51 minutes ago, Phil said:

The last 2 months have already established a warm CONUS pattern which, when manifesting during post-niño springs, almost always precedes warm summers nationally.

This bears striking resemblance to spring 2010. Only difference is cool anomalies aren’t as prevalent (I suspect the same will hold true during the summer).

Not so sure about that. That time frame for 2024 somewhat reflects the lingering winter pattern. 

The past month hasn't been as warm. Certainly not as warm as April 2010 was. You'd think if the anomaly pattern represented the "summer pattern establishing" it would be growing stronger as we get closer to summer, not weaker.

[Front Ranger]

32 minutes ago, ChrisEl Elyon said:

 

May 2010 was frigid for the western half of the country.

[Frontal Snowsquall]

4 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Oregon needs all the snow they can get. So happy for the basin areas. 

I went to the Columbia River Gorge today are there’s still some drifts on the Oregon side that’s sheltered away from the . It’s probably from the January storm and it’s crazy it hasn’t melted yet in 3 months. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

48 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

May 2010 was frigid for the western half of the country.

It snowed here in May 2010.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Overall this has been a nice spring.

[Cloud]

Day #2 here. At least it’s consistent!

The humidity is the absolute worst. 

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

2 hours ago, Phil said:

You don’t have a point. The context was *leaving town* on a day with desirable weather, to a destination with more desirable weather. Not *returning home* to desirable weather.

Dude..... then why do you think he was complaining about it....?????

 

Tim can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like he wants it to be rainy and cold while he's gone to help with the potential water problems this summer, and then nice weather when he comes back. My comment was an example of that (but as snow instead of sun), defending his comment.

[TT-SEA]

18 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

Dude..... then why do you think he was complaining about it....?????

 

Tim can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed like he wants it to be rainy and cold while he's gone to help with the potential water problems this summer, and then nice weather when he comes back. My comment was an example of that (but as snow instead of sun), defending his comment.

Exactly.   Need to catch up on deficit so it's nice to do that while we are out of town.   I don't have a strong desire to see more 50 degree rain.   But I am sad we missed most of today.   Ended up getting up to 75 in North Bend.

[Omegaraptor]

1 hour ago, Cloud said:

Day #2 here. At least it’s consistent!

The humidity is the absolute worst. 

Paradise for Tim!!!

[LowerGarfield]

8 hours ago, TT-SEA said:

California is in a dire situation.   Horrific drought and reservoirs are bone dry.   No way they can be saved.   California is dead.   Not coming alive.   

??????

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Beautiful 

1 hour ago, Cloud said:

Day #2 here. At least it’s consistent!

The humidity is the absolute worst. 

Timtastic 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Gorgeous evening. My daughter got the Irish setter up on her trampoline and is hosing her down. Pandemonium.

[Meatyorologist]

5 hours ago, Cold Snap said:

One record I think is absolutely insane is the 14.3” of snow Bozeman got on June 13, 2001. The fact that happened during meteorological summer is crazy. Though it was recorded on the MSU campus weather station and not at the airport.

I think their 2" on August 24th 1992 is absoluetly f****** absurd. At least in June there is just enough residual wintertime cold left over at the poles to drop snow levels down to 5k feet should it be displaced south, and enough of a poleward thermal gradient still in tact to spawn strong-ish cutoff lows around the meridian line. Mid-late August is a joke of a time to get a snowstorm, even at their somewhat high elevation. They pretty much combined the strongest weather system possible at that time of year with the coldest air possible... Neither factors being very impressive nonetheless. But enough is enough. The only month I doubt they could pull off a snowstorm at all would be during July, and even then I bet the first week holds some out-there potential in the right setup. July 15-August 15 is off the table though. I think....

[Frontal Snowsquall]

at PDX today. This should be the last 70s for the month. The next one will be in May. 

[TT-SEA]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Beautiful 

Timtastic 

Sort of funny... I only saw the left side when I glanced at the post earlier and thought 80s for highs can't be that bad.   Only when you quoted it did I see the actual high temps.   Ouch.

[Timmy]

9 minutes ago, Frontal Snowsquall said:

at PDX today. This should be the last 70s for the month. The next one will be in May. 

Thanks for posting this!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

50 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Sort of funny... I only saw the left side when I glanced at the post earlier and thought 80s for highs can't be that bad.   Only when you quoted it did I see the actual high temps.   Ouch.

So many bones of our beautiful ancestors baking in that heat. Heroes who never came home. 

[Cascadia_Wx]

1 hour ago, Frontal Snowsquall said:

at PDX today. This should be the last 70s for the month. The next one will be in May. 

That’ll probably be the next time we see this map from you too, in that case. Don’t worry, I’ll take over  

[MossMan]

Left work at 1pm to finish my front landscaping barking project before winter 2023/24 makes an encore appearance for the next month! 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

45 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

That’ll probably be the next time we see this map from you too, in that case. Don’t worry, I’ll take over  

Thanks. I got pretty excited thinking about May 2010. Legendary month. 

[Cascadia_Wx]

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Thanks. I got pretty excited thinking about May 2010. Legendary month. 

Did a road trip to Minnesota with my brother the middle of that month. We camped a few nights in Yellowstone on the way. It was  

Also camped in Glacier on the way back. It snowed.

[High Desert Mat?]

I just saw the founder of the weather channel on CNN saying that there is no global warming. One other meteorologist on the channel was saying the same thing. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Did a road trip to Minnesota with my brother the middle of that month. We camped a few nights in Yellowstone on the way. It was  

Also camped in Glacier on the way back. It snowed.

That’s awesome. I was living in Oklahoma.

Not great, but my brother was keeping me in the loop. A lot of trout got washed out of Silverton Reservoir that spring and fishing was hot through downtown on the creek, the rest of the summer. 

[Cascadia_Wx]

15 minutes ago, High Desert Mat? said:

I just saw the founder of the weather channel on CNN saying that there is no global warming. One other meteorologist on the channel was saying the same thing. 

I looked up the founders of the weather channel. Looks like they’re both dead. 

[Deweydog]

THEY’RE COMING FOR YOU CASCADIA!

https://www.columbian.com/news/2024/apr/23/in-n-out-proposes-second-clark-county-location-in-east-vancouver/

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

1 minute ago, Deweydog said:

THEY’RE COMING FOR YOU CASCADIA!

https://www.columbian.com/news/2024/apr/23/in-n-out-proposes-second-clark-county-location-in-east-vancouver/

In n out is just another fast food place, I don't get the hype. Although I will say, the shakes are REALLY good. 

 

I remember hearing about when they opened that one in Keizer oregon a few years back, people waited in line for over 6 hours on the opening day.... just for a cheeseburger that tastes okay.... they could've spent a fraction of that time cooking themselves a gourmet cheeseburger at home, and it would've costed them the same amount. Humans are weird

[Cascadia_Wx]

2 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

In n out is just another fast food place, I don't get the hype. Although I will say, the shakes are REALLY good. 

 

I remember hearing about when they opened that one in Keizer oregon a few years back, people waited in line for over 6 hours on the opening day.... just for a cheeseburger that tastes okay.... they could've spent a fraction of that time cooking themselves a gourmet cheeseburger at home, and it would've costed them the same amount. Humans are weird

You just got yourself on the dogsh*t list…

[SilverFallsAndrew]

5 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

In n out is just another fast food place, I don't get the hype. Although I will say, the shakes are REALLY good. 

 

I remember hearing about when they opened that one in Keizer oregon a few years back, people waited in line for over 6 hours on the opening day.... just for a cheeseburger that tastes okay.... they could've spent a fraction of that time cooking themselves a gourmet cheeseburger at home, and it would've costed them the same amount. Humans are weird

I drive past that location every day and have never eaten there. 

[Cascadia_Wx]

6 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I drive past that location every day and have never eaten there. 

The only one I’ve been to was in Las Vegas. It was solidly mid. No cap.

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

15 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I drive past that location every day and have never eaten there. 

Went there a couple years after they opened, they messed up my order and there was somehow a 20+ minute wait at 4pm, Do not recommend.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

20 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

Went there a couple years after they opened, they messed up my order and there was somehow a 20+ minute wait at 4pm, Do not recommend.

I sometimes go to the Verizon store near there. Always seems like In N Out is busy.