PNW January 2023 Observations and Discussion

[snow_wizard]

Looks like a 43/32 here today.  Pretty chilly.

[Gradient Keeper]

00z CMCE

[snow_wizard]

1 minute ago, Gradient Keeper said:

Looks like its still there to me.

I wonder.  I suppose there will be more confirmation to come if it's true.

[Gradient Keeper]

Just now, snow_wizard said:

I wonder.  I suppose there will be more confirmation to come if it's true.

I wonder if Mr. Pelto has ulterior motives. Other glaciers nearby look healthy too, but who knows. That Alpine Lakes Wilderness area looks flat out amazing.

[snow_wizard]

Decoupled faster than I expected tonight.  Down to 31 now.

[SnowWillarrive]

32 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

I wonder.  I suppose there will be more confirmation to come if it's true.

I’ve been up there before. That is just perennial summer snow cover. The glacier has retreated in summer (losing over half its mass since the 1950s).  Honestly though I’m a bit skeptical of their conclusions though. We know that many of the Cascade glaciers were in major advance during the Little Ice age. The recent retreat started well before the modern era. It would not take many seasons with cool summers and heavy accumulations to start advancing again. 
 

I hope whatever changed after the little ice age to stop though!! 

[snow_wizard]

29 minutes ago, Gradient Keeper said:

I wonder if Mr. Pelto has ulterior motives. Other glaciers nearby look healthy too, but who knows. That Alpine Lakes Wilderness area looks flat out amazing.

I was struck by how barren everything looks in that pic.  So harsh that nothing can grow up there.

[snow_wizard]

3 minutes ago, SnowWillarrive said:

I’ve been up there before. That is just perennial summer snow cover. The glacier has retreated in summer (losing over half its mass since the 1950s).  Honestly though I’m a bit skeptical of their conclusions though. We know that many of the Cascade glaciers were in major advance during the Little Ice age. The recent retreat started well before the modern era. It would not take many seasons with cool summers and heavy accumulations to start advancing again. 

Totally agreed.

People have got to get out of the mindset that thinking the weather they have seen in their lifetime has been the normal since the beginning of time.  That is obviously not the case.  I hate how the media takes advantage of knowing that people only have a very short sighted view of things.

[SnowWillarrive]

2 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Totally agreed.

People have got to get out of the mindset that thinking the weather they have seen in their lifetime has been the normal since the beginning of time.  That is obviously not the case.  I hate how the media takes advantage of knowing that people only have a very short sighted view of things.

BTW this is the nearby Lynch Glacier at the end of the summer. WA cascades are just amazing. Nothing like them in lower 48. 

[Gradient Keeper]

11 minutes ago, SnowWillarrive said:

BTW this is the nearby Lynch Glacier at the end of the summer. WA cascades are just amazing. Nothing like them in lower 48. 

Stunning, and that glacier looks to be in good shape.

[Gradient Keeper]

12:49 AM Temp: 33.6, Dewpoint: 21.9 with gusty east wind.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

36F and partly cloudy. Been fun to feel the temp drop.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

26.8˚F. Looks like the Wednesday flurries are on again.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

51 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Totally agreed.

People have got to get out of the mindset that thinking the weather they have seen in their lifetime has been the normal since the beginning of time.  That is obviously not the case.  I hate how the media takes advantage of knowing that people only have a very short sighted view of things.

“It’s not happening.”

“Well, it may be happening but humans aren’t the cause.”

“Shut up, get used to it, and stop whining.”

[umadbro]

44 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

“It’s not happening.”

“Well, it may be happening but humans aren’t the cause.”

“Shut up, get used to it, and stop whining.”

Get rid of gas stoves!!!! They’re killing you!! Stop trying to farm. Sell that land to China and bill gates instead!! 

[Requiem]

[Gradient Keeper]

There is evidence to suggest or support that humans may be contributing to warming, but to what extent is impossible to know. There is also concrete evidence well before the industrial revolution that the earth faced much warmer periods, the arctic used to be of a tropical climate, but none of that was labeled global warming, climate change, or really no label attached, not publicized either, it's cyclical. It has always been cyclical. It doesn't mean glaciers aren't melting, but the obvious narrative in that article and so many others is painfully obvious. It's not helpful to do so. It's also ridiculous to suggest natural gas isn't safe anymore, or isn't a clean source, then more regulations and restrictions are placed on people and their freedoms, or that farming has to be completely transformed, policy is changed to push the same unfounded nonsense, and then it is forced on all of society. Then you see simpletons people incapable of thinking for themselves protesting over "climate justice" and other lunacy. Even in schools. The elites don't give a damn about the climate, nor any of us, yet they are the ones spearheading all of this for their own gain. Nope!

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[The Blob]

Cold here in Troutdale.

[Requiem]

Whew.

Anyhow... chilly out there, wind comes and goes in waves. 

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Down to 34F and dry with a DP of 27F and dropping. Going to have our 30th freeze for this location. Impressive low temps.

[ShawniganLake]

Down to 25F here 

[Ray]

4 hours ago, Gradient Keeper said:

There is evidence to suggest or support that humans may be contributing to warming, but to what extent is impossible to know. There is also concrete evidence well before the industrial revolution that the earth faced much warmer periods, the arctic used to be of a tropical climate, but none of that was labeled global warming, climate change, or really no label attached, not publicized either, it's cyclical. It has always been cyclical. It doesn't mean glaciers aren't melting, but the obvious narrative in that article and so many others is painfully obvious. It's not helpful to do so. It's also ridiculous to suggest natural gas isn't safe anymore, or isn't a clean source, then more regulations and restrictions are placed on people and their freedoms, or that farming has to be completely transformed, policy is changed to push the same unfounded nonsense, and then it is forced on all of society. Then you see simpletons people incapable of thinking for themselves protesting over "climate justice" and other lunacy. Even in schools. The elites don't give a D**n about the climate, nor any of us, yet they are the ones spearheading all of this for their own gain. Nope!

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Well said!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Wow PDX almost to freezing!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

It wasn’t mentioned, but last nights extended GEFS was extremely cold. Fwiw. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Looks like Silver Falls hit 24. Lots of single digits east of the cascades. 

[TT-SEA]

29 here and 30 at SEA... should be a spectacular day.

[TT-SEA]

Also looks like its too dry for frost here.   I was thinking the roads would be really icy this morning given that it was raining yesterday evening but everything is totally dry.

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

Man the north wind ripped here all night,  strongest north wind I've had all winter, much stronger than Dec.  Currently 31 degrees with a 20-30mph wind. I checked bremerton airport and they have not had that much wind there and they are only about 6 miles east of here but I'm 200ft higher and right at the base of gold mountain. The elevation plays a huge part out here when we get these Fraser outflow events. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

5 hours ago, Requiem said:

We need the Tin Man and Cowardly Lion too

[MossMan]

24.2 degrees.

DP 18. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

22.1˚F.

[SnowySeeker50]

Currently 27.5 degrees

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Euro is now the snowier one, though neither one is particularly snowy.

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

2 degrees at my cabin. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Everyone ignoring the mid to late February elephant in the room. 

[LowerGarfield]

Haven't gone down to check our station but nearby WU's is 14F.

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

Pics from yesterday evening.  I'm on gold mountain looking west towards the hood canal and the Olympics. 

[FroYoBro]

Pretty breezy NE wind right now. 30 degrees and it feels cold compared to the past few mild weeks. 

[MossMan]

10 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Everyone ignoring the mid to late February elephant in the room. 

It’s coming. 

[ShawniganLake]

10 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Everyone ignoring the mid to late February elephant in the room. 

It’s not even February yet.  Probably due for some cold onshore flow