BLI snowman Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 55mph at OLM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Strongest there since 74mph in 1995.Did it really gust to 74mph in 1995? NWS record report from today is saying the 67mph gust today was highest since March 26th 1971. Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I noticed the 12z ensemble shows a minus AO developing with sagging heights over the Eastern US. Your plan appears to be on target.Thanks. My only worry now is getting the PV to split after New Years..if that occurs, you're golden. If not, long story short, most of the cold will probably slide east. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antipex Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Strongest there since 74mph in 1995. I believe that 74mph was measured differently... I think the NWS considers it 62mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 The Dalles hit -12c. That was legit arctic air. It's like you guys up north forget the Gorge exists. The Fraser isn't the only arctic air source for the west side. Does The Dalles count as a west side station, though? How cold did PDX get? Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Did it really gust to 74mph in 1995? NWS record report from today is saying the 67mph gust today was highest since March 26th 1971. Officially the 5 second gust in 1995 was 62mph, but instant gusts were 74mph. http://www.climate.washington.edu/stormking/December1995.html Today the instant gusts were 67mph, so the 1995 storm was safely a bit stronger there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I believe that 74mph was measured differently... I think the NWS considers it 62mph.Agreed. Back then they used a 3 second average for peak gusts. Now I believe it is 5 seconds. Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 55mph at OLM. That was the hourly report, did they go higher? Now winds are reaching Tacoma. SEA should start seeing decent gusts over the next couple hours. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Officially the 5 second gust in 1995 was 62mph, but instant gusts were 74mph. http://www.climate.washington.edu/stormking/December1995.html Today the instant gusts were 67mph, so the 1995 storm was safely a bit stronger there.Got it, makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 The Mesonet only shows a peak of 59 for PDX. What site do you guys use that shows more frequent updates? No doubt it is fun watching this on the Mesonet map. Right now you can see how the strong winds are begin deflected mostly right up Puget Sound and to the West side of the Sound. The East Puget Sound lowlands have enough easterly winds to keep the south winds pushed west of here. I've always wondered why this area usually escapes high winds in these cases. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Agreed. Back then they used a 3 second average for peak gusts. Now I believe it is 5 seconds. That is so lame. It reminds of when they deballed the wind chill calculation. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Does The Dalles count as a west side station, though? How cold did PDX get? We're only talking about west side stations? When did that start? We're talking about intrusions of arctic air into the PNW. Mid-November 2014 was one. PDX was 32 with east winds and a wintery mix the afternoon of 11/13. Basically unprecedented for that early. There were also widespread teens westside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 You can easily track the low with the coastal radar. Clearly its well offshore and moving north. The models runs like the Canadian showing it sliding up the west side of the Puget Sound were definitely wrong. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Thanks. My only worry now is getting the PV to split after New Years..if that occurs, you're golden. If not, long story short, most of the cold will probably slide east. What are the odds in your opinion? Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bainbridgekid Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 The Dalles hit -12c. That was legit arctic air. It's like you guys up north forget the Gorge exists. The Fraser isn't the only arctic air source for the west side.I'm talking specifically about Seattle. No doubt that was legit arctic air for the Gorge. I also wouldn't consider an event arctic for Seattle if Chilliwak, BC saw 850's drop to -12 if Seattle didn't get below -6. Quote Everett Snowfall (510 feet elevation) Snow since February 2019: 91" 2023-24: 6" 2022-23: 17.5" 2021-22: 17.75" 2020-21: 14.5” 2019-20: 10.5" 2018-19: 24.75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 The Mesonet only shows a peak of 59 for PDX. What site do you guys use that shows more frequent updates? No doubt it is fun watching this on the Mesonet map. Right now you can see how the strong winds are begin deflected mostly right up Puget Sound and to the West side of the Sound. The East Puget Sound lowlands have enough easterly winds to keep the south winds pushed west of here. I've always wondered why this area usually escapes high winds in these cases.I see only a high gust of 59 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 What are the odds in your opinion? He's just trying to mess with your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antipex Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 The Mesonet only shows a peak of 59 for PDX. What site do you guys use that shows more frequent updates? No doubt it is fun watching this on the Mesonet map. Right now you can see how the strong winds are begin deflected mostly right up Puget Sound and to the West side of the Sound. The East Puget Sound lowlands have enough easterly winds to keep the south winds pushed west of here. I've always wondered why this area usually escapes high winds in these cases. NWS has been posting updates on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 NWS has been posting updates on Twitter.Then the 67 should be on their observations then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I wonder what would happen here with a gust of 150? Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Events like these can bring the worst out of some of us and it isn't pleasant, That is such a good point. It's kind of a mystery why that is when big events are what weather forums live for. The only reason I'm a bit down on windstorms is because of the trees in my yard. I must admit I'm kind of excited about it now...especially considering MBY looks like it will get off easy. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bham_Guy Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I see only a high gust of 59 as well. I found this site for peak gusts around the region: http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/total_forecast/getprod.php?afos=xxxpnspqr&wfo=pqr&font=120&version=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 We're only talking about west side stations? When did that start? We're talking about intrusions of arctic air into the PNW. Mid-November 2014 was one. PDX was 32 with east winds and a wintery mix the afternoon of 11/13. Basically unprecedented for that early. There were also widespread teens westside. It's not a big deal to me, but I know some people on here don't consider it a true Arctic outbreak for the west side (where most here reside, obviously) unless 850s get to -8C or below. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 It's not a big deal to me, but I know some people on here don't consider it a true Arctic outbreak for the west side (where most here reside, obviously) unless 850s get to -8C or below.I don't consider it a true arctic outbreak unless there is snow in my yard, otherwise it is just a cold snap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 It's not a big deal to me, but I know some people on here don't consider it a true Arctic outbreak for the west side (where most here reside, obviously) unless 850s get to -8C or below. It was an impressive cold event for mid-November, regionally. With an arctic source and some very cold air (850s in the -10 to -13c range) banked up against the east slopes of the Cascades. Widespread 850s below -8c on the west side is a tall order for that early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Naselle Ridge near the S. WA coast saw a gust to 77 mph. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 It was an impressive cold event for mid-November, regionally. With an arctic source and some very cold air (850s in the -10 to -13c range) banked up against the east slopes of the Cascades. Widespread 850s below -8c on the west side is a tall order for that early. I agree. And Nov 1955 was probably the only time in airport records we've seen that happen that early. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Ft. Lewis just saw a gust to 55 mph. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I agree. And Nov 1955 was probably the only time in airport records we've seen that happen that early. Yeah, I guess it's best to grade the event mid-last month on a curve since it was so early. It was about as arctic as you can get pre-11/15, aside from 1955. Anyway, didn't mean to take things on a tangent there. Back to the windstorm posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antipex Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I agree. And Nov 1955 was probably the only time in airport records we've seen that happen that early. Interestingly enough Portland broke the high temp record for today... which was set in 1955. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 What are the odds in your opinion?I'd say 75% chance it happens in January. That said, the PV is going to fight it hard as it's still vertically stacked/barotropic... Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Your parents let you operate the chain saw? Jealous.Fisher Price... 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Holy crap... how hard is it to treat an intersection like a 4 way stop!?!?!1 2 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Holy crap... how hard is it to treat an intersection like a 4 way stop!?!?!1Amurikah!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antipex Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Holy crap... how hard is it to treat an intersection like a 4 way stop!?!?!1 After observing some of the posters on this forum thread, fairly difficult, I'm guessing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I'd say 75% chance it happens in January. That said, the PV is going to fight it hard as it's still vertically stacked/barotropic...The hyperbole department is officially downgrading the Jaws music to the love theme from Endless Summer. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Strong winds being reported now in Tacoma and Gig Harbor. Will be interesting to see the next update for The Narrows. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Amurikah!!!Pants up don't loot! Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvssnow_spokane Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Winds are averaging about 14, strongest gust has been 27 here. *yawn* Jim should be happy though. Quote My Weather Station https://tempestwx.com/station/61434 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bainbridgekid Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Interesting to see the 4PM pressure analysis have the low at 974mb. The MM5-NAM initialized it at 977 and the 12z WRF had it at 977 as well. Looks to be holding together a bit better than progged, which is certainly a bias that the models seem to often succumb to. Quote Everett Snowfall (510 feet elevation) Snow since February 2019: 91" 2023-24: 6" 2022-23: 17.5" 2021-22: 17.75" 2020-21: 14.5” 2019-20: 10.5" 2018-19: 24.75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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