November 2022 PNW weather Discussion. #NoRidgeNovember

[Timmy]

19 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

This is probably the latest peak of fall color I’ve seen around here, but it ended up pretty nice in the end. I think getting a decent amount of rain before the colder temps and night time freezes arrived helped.

Same, I don’t track it or anything but it seems super late. I know I have raked leaves in October before and haven’t had to do that yet this year.

[MossMan]

My analog gauge broke during the February 2019 extravaganza since it was forgotten about with the weather station I had just installed right before the madness hit. The plastic analog one froze and broke. However it’s still in the same spot now untouched and all of the moss/mold/floaties/dead flies, etc have pretty much welded it shut again!  

[SouthHillFrosty]

37 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Like a different world compared to up here. 

This is the effect of cold rain lol

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

On top of the roof. Andrew set it up because if I get on a ladder I could fall off the house when I have a seizure...which happens all the time.

Next time I’m down I ll risk my life and climb up to make sure it’s not clogged. There aren’t any trees nearby though, but it’s possible. 

[TigerWoodsLibido]

21 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Heck I’d send you one just to atone my sins. It would also be nice to see how much rain you actually get. I was always under the impression that Springfield averaged a bit more than Eugene thanks to upslope.

I was too when I lived in Eugene at UofO. I also thought the same of Springfield when I lived in Monmouth in the central Willamette Valley, which is a fairly dry location, especially in AR events because the coast range tends to be pretty high up around Laurel Mtn and Mary's peak and the like. Down this way, the coast range and Kalapuyas are not as high up relative to our more elevated terrain. I figured it always got more precip in this location. Then I moved here and, well, maybe it's just been an anomaly and the other shoe will drop but it hasn't even felt all that wet of late. I've had to manually empty out the sides of my pool cover because I'm not very good at covering it with a tarp and during the AR,  I was surprised at how I was able to keep up with it every tenth of an inch or so, maybe it was more than that but it felt like it also wasn't raining as long as I thought it would or as long as the forecasters were saying. Again, that might just be due to some microclimate shitt.

[Cascadia_Wx]

2 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

I was too when I lived in Eugene at UofO. I also thought the same of Springfield when I lived in Monmouth in the central Willamette Valley, which is a fairly dry location, especially in AR events because the coast range tends to be pretty high up around Laurel Mtn and Mary's peak and the like. Down this way, the coast range and Kalapuyas are not as high up relative to our more elevated terrain. I figured it always got more precip in this location. Then I moved here and, well, maybe it's just been an anomaly and the other shoe will drop but it hasn't even felt all that wet of late. I've had to manually empty out the sides of my pool cover because I'm not very good at covering it with a tarp and during the AR,  I was surprised at how I was able to keep up with it every tenth of an inch or so, maybe it was more than that but it felt like it also wasn't raining as long as I thought it would or as long as the forecasters were saying. Again, that might just be due to some microclimate shitt.

A lot of this sounds pretty subjective.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

5 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

A lot of this sounds pretty subjective.

After having lived and experienced it, I suppose so.

Another short comment from you that feels passive aggressive and cruel.

[Cascadia_Wx]

7 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

After having lived and experienced it, I suppose so.

Another short comment from you that feels passive aggressive and cruel.

Sorry, but basing a location’s precip climatology on how dry it’s felt, how fast your pool cover filled up, and that it wasn’t raining as long as it seemed like it should have seems fairly anecdotal.  

At very least it’s not enough information to make the claim that your area is drier than other parts of Eugene/Springfield. Maybe someone who knows more about the long term climo down there could chime in.

[Cascadia_Wx]

Oh yeah and in case anyone one forgot, I am Satan incarnate.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

1 minute ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Oh yeah and in case anyone one forgot, I am Satan incarnate.

You poor victim. So unfortunate that my location does better than yours for radiational cooling.

Ah, wait. I take that back. Seems pretty subjective on my part.

[Cascadia_Wx]

1 minute ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

You poor victim.

I’m still game to send you that analog gage if you’d like!

[TigerWoodsLibido]

1 minute ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

I’m still game to send you that analog gage if you’d like!

By all means, thanks, I'd love to be able to set it up properly too. Sadly, I'm all thumbs when it comes to being a handyman.

[snow_wizard]

I'm wondering if we might see a kind of repeating progression this season.

1. Chilly / dry / inversionary (ridge too close)

2. Pattern breaks down with heavy rain / mild

3. Colder active pattern

4. Strong GOA block with Arctic air

Wash, rinse, repeat.

[ShawniganLake]

4 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

By all means, thanks, I'd love to be able to set it up properly too. Sadly, I'm all thumbs when it comes to being a handyman.

I think it’s 2 or 3 screws into the side of a fence or fence post.  

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Just now, ShawniganLake said:

I think it’s 2 or 3 screws into the side of a fence or fence post.  

I'm genuinely concerned that the dryrot in the only possible fenceposts I can use will break them. I also am not able to afford a drill. Also, we've already had bums pull some of the fenceposts down and I'm not very good at putting them back up. The fenceposts on the other side of the house have the neighbors house blocking precip from the SW so it wouldn't be an accurate reading.

Oof my prose is falling apart, fuckk these seizures!

 

[bainbridgekid]

Decent amount of moisture on radar but most doesn’t seem to be reaching the ground so far. Hopefully SEA won’t pick up and measurable rain so they can maintain their dry streak.

[snow_wizard]

1 minute ago, bainbridgekid said:

Decent amount of moisture on radar but most doesn’t seem to be reaching the ground so far. Hopefully SEA won’t pick up and measurable rain so they can maintain their dry streak.

Good chance it won't survive.  I'm sure it won't here with the east wind.

[snow_wizard]

11 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

I'm genuinely concerned that the dryrot in the only possible fenceposts I can use will break them. I also am not able to afford a drill. Also, we've already had bums pull some of the fenceposts down and I'm not very good at putting them back up. The fenceposts on the other side of the house have the neighbors house blocking precip from the SW so it wouldn't be an accurate reading.

Oof my prose is falling apart, fuckk these seizures!

 

You could glue and clamp a piece of decently thick plywood to the fence post to give you something good to screw into.  I would use good carpenters glue and do it when it's totally dry.  Maybe even pre drill the holes in the plywood to match the gauge before you glue it on to the post.

[Cascadia_Wx]

24 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

By all means, thanks, I'd love to be able to set it up properly too. Sadly, I'm all thumbs when it comes to being a handyman.

Honestly it sounds like you could even use a jar and a ruler if all else failed.

Edited November 11, 2022 by Cascadia_Wx

[GHweatherChris]

2 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Honestly it sounds like you could even use a jar and a ruler if all else failed.

I did that when I was a kid and first getting in to weather.

[snow_wizard]

The evaporative cooling from that band of precip should keep us well below 50 again today.  This is a pretty chilly east wind for early November.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

3 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Honestly it sounds like you could even use a jar and a ruler if all else failed.

Doesn't that block precip? The only jars I have are ones that have curved tops. Mason jars, is that what they are?

[MWG]

46F and starting to get cloudy. Waiting for that rain!  

[snow_wizard]

46 with a dp of 28 at SEA.  Really solid stuff.  I have to say this all worked out better than I had hoped it would when the initial block was a bit too far west.

[Cascadia_Wx]

Just now, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Doesn't that block precip? The only jars I have are ones that have curved tops. Mason jars, is that what they are?

Yeah it would have to be a straight sided can or jar.

[snow_wizard]

1 minute ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Doesn't that block precip? The only jars I have are ones that have curved tops. Mason jars, is that what they are?

The imperfect shape of the jar would give you inaccurate readings.  No way to accurately measure 1/100" with a ruler either.

[MossMan]

Sounds like the remaining powerless people should be restored by the end of the night. That storm will definitely be remembered up here for a long time. Also quite the lovely sunrise this AM…Was stunning while heading south on I-5 heading to Lynnwood…Wish I could have gotten a pic. 

[Cascadia_Wx]

Just now, snow_wizard said:

The imperfect shape of the jar would give you inaccurate readings.  No way to accurately measure 1/100" with a ruler either.

It would probably be closer to reality than the current set up.

[snow_wizard]

1 minute ago, MossMan said:

Sounds like the remaining powerless people should be restored by the end of the night. That storm will definitely be remembered up here for a long time. Also quite the lovely sunrise this AM…Was stunning while heading south on I-5 heading to Lynnwood…Wish I could have gotten a pic. 

A week without power is pretty insane.  Especially in this day and age.  This month hasn't been boring.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

It's been raining for a bit and this gauge shows 0.07" so far and EUG is showing 0.05" so I'm not sure what that means?

[Cascadia_Wx]

1 minute ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

It's been raining for a bit and this gauge shows 0.07" so far and EUG is showing 0.05" so I'm not sure what that means?

I’m guessing it means it’s rained .15” or so there. At least if the margin of error is linear.

[Phishy Wx]

36 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

I'm wondering if we might see a kind of repeating progression this season.

1. Chilly / dry / inversionary (ridge too close)

2. Pattern breaks down with heavy rain / mild

3. Colder active pattern

4. Strong GOA block with Arctic air

Wash, rinse, repeat.

I'm guessing 1, 2 and a side of 3

[BLI snowman]

Today was supposed to be our snowstorm  

[Cascadia_Wx]

5 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Today was supposed to be our snowstorm  

Do you know anything about how Eugene and Springfield historically compare when it comes to rainfall?

[FroYoBro]

2 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Today was supposed to be our snowstorm  

I was going to post something similar! I AM getting an intense breeze from the east now though. 

[TigerWoodsLibido]

2 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Do you know anything about how Eugene and Springfield historically compare when it comes to rainfall?

Bruh will you seriously please stop being so cruel? You know what you're doing.

[Cascadia_Wx]

7 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Bruh will you seriously please stop being so cruel? You know what you're doing.

I’m curious. I’m very interested in the intersection of climatology and geography and would like to know once and for all.

[Dave]

From my own observations, I'm usually a bit wetter than what EUG shows. I did use a manual rain gauge for a couple of years until it got disgusting and I threw it out. Regardless of that, it has been abnormally dry down here for more than a decade. Our 30 year running avg precip has dropped to about 40 inches per year which is about the same as Seattle and not that far off from Portland.

As far as Springfield getting less precip than EUG, I don't put any stock into that in the long run. However, TWL has only lived there for a few years so there could easily be some short term discrepancies during that time frame. 

In general, when the storms come straight from west (on shore flow), Springfield easily gets as much as Eugene, if not more. If the storms come from any other direction (NW, SW) some parts of the area will get more or less. This includes our sparse snowfall as well. If we have cold enough for snow onshore flow directly from the west, TWL will win out every time. This hasn't happened much recently however. It happened many times when I was a kid.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

2 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

I’m curious. I’m very interested in the intersection of climatology and geography and would like to know once and for all.

Will you please pick on someone else? Or just feel free to put me on ignore if my posts bother you so much.

[Cascadia_Wx]

3 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Will you please pick on someone else? Or just feel free to put me on ignore if my posts bother you so much.

I don’t understand what your issue is with doing some digging on this. I figured you’d be interested too.