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1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

I think I remember that storm. It was fun. It didn’t surprise me because temperatures were right on the edge so I knew it was a possibility.

I remember the day before we had a raging east wind all day but i didn't know enough then to know about the dry air a** and the massive rain storm moving in. it was in the 40's that day but dewpoint was in the mid teens. we had 8 inches in bremerton.

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Just now, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Just about every model is showing a big event out here around the canal. All models show a minimum of a few hrs of heavy wet snow from Olympia north before rain transition.  then another round of snow thursday morning.

I think you'll get nailed. Has looked good for the canal area ever since snow popped up on the maps

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Looks like a pretty strong rain shadow (or snow shadow if you prefer) will be in effect up here when the precipitation arrives tomorrow. Which frequently happens in overrunning events and is one of the reasons I almost never get snow during them. All the precipitation is blocked by the shadow as it slowly warms up, and by the time it actually arrives it's too warm to snow.

Oh, well. It will still be interesting to see if Seattle picks up any snow with its apocalyptic forecast.

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Home Wx Station Stats (Since January 2008):

Max Temp: 96.3F (2009)   Min Temp: 2.0F (2008)   Max Wind Gust: 45 mph (2018, 2021)   Wettest Day: 2.34 (11/4/22)   Avg Yearly Precip: 37"   10yr Avg Snow: 8.0"

Snowfall Totals

'08-09: 30" | '09-10: 0.5" | '10-11: 21" | '11-12: 9.5" | '12-13: 0.2" | '13-14: 6.2" | '14-15: 0.0" | '15-16: 0.25"| '16-17: 8.0" | '17-18: 0.9"| '18-19: 11.5" | '19-20: 11" | '20-21: 10.5" | '21-22: 21.75" | '22-23: 10.0" 

2023-24: 7.0" (1/17: 3", 1/18: 1.5", 2/26: 0.5", 3/4: 2.0", Flakes: 1/11, 1/16)

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One thing to keep in mind is even though we will have south west flow this storm is reacting with some cold air in BC.

Snow level going to be 500 to 1000 ft in cascades and 1-2k in the Olympics so its a cold storm. Tim might get a bunch even with the sw flow. Might be interesting.

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5 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

The 12Z GFS shows about 30 inches of snow for Seattle over the next 5 days.     Makes sense.    

Need to check on Saturday for verification.   

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What is confusing is it showed this in feb 19 and it happened for a bunch of places.  But this is just dumb.

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2 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

What is confusing is it showed this in feb 19 and it happened for a bunch of places.  But this is just dumb.

That was a massive overrunning event with arctic air in place and the ECMWF showed it as well.  

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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1 minute ago, Timmy said:

Why does Tim hate fun and snow so much?

Are you referring to yourself?   😀

I have not said anything about hating snow or fun.    I love December snow.  

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06Z Euro and GFS snowfall maps. Time frame on the Euro chosen to exclude sea level phantom snow in my area, which looks to be a problem for it after 1800Z/1000J Wednesday (surface and 925 mbar temps just too warm).

Really not bad when even the “stingy” model gives me half a foot.

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It's called clown range for a reason.

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14 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

06Z Euro and GFS snowfall maps. Time frame on the Euro chosen to exclude sea level phantom snow in my area, which looks to be a problem for it after 1800Z/1000J Wednesday (surface and 925 mbar temps just too warm).

Really not bad when even the “stingy” model gives me half a foot.

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Still too aggressive south of White Rock.

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14 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

06Z Euro and GFS snowfall maps. Time frame on the Euro chosen to exclude sea level phantom snow in my area, which looks to be a problem for it after 1800Z/1000J Wednesday (surface and 925 mbar temps just too warm).

Really not bad when even the “stingy” model gives me half a foot.

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What is interesting is the general idea of a Sno/King CZ potentially brewing to help enhance rates.  I wouldn't be shocked to see SOME snow in this area that actually sticks.  6-12 inches is a stretch.

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3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

10-day snowfall per 12Z GEM.    I can't remember ever seeing such model discrepancy. 

 

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Most realistic run yet by any of the models. 

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3 minutes ago, Hawksfan2008 said:

Feeling optimistic areas around North Bend are going to do pretty well. The wind stays easterly until about noon on Wednesday. This happened last winter where it was raining most everywhere else but we had just enough cold air pulling in from the east to give us a foot of snow. The RGEM handled it best. image.thumb.png.881337ba40570d38dad19cc72f535d0e.png

I was thinking that too... the flow might be just enough offshore out here during the heaviest precip.

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just take the GFS away. Thing is trash. new/old whatever.   People shouldn't waste their time on it, other than to look at snow and cold map porn

 

Use the Euro/EPS and save your anxiety and sorrow

 

HRRR and SREF for short and mid term

 

NBM if you have access to it (this one is used a lot by the NWS, at least in Spokane)

 

There's a reason the GFS is free and you have to pay for premium EURO content

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