MR.SNOWMIZER Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Super weak @ like maybe 2". Its been a bizarre winter so far. Started late, snows like 3" then melts and gets cold for a week, snows another 1-2"...sticks around for a few days, 1/2 of it melts away and then it gets cold again for a while then wash rinse repeat. Unlike the last few winters....where the first snow marks the beginning of snowpack until melt off. Winter of 16'-17' was truly epic for us here. No kidding, there was nearly 30" of snowpack in our front yard before it began to melt away in March. I've never seen anything like it in my life, except in the mountains. Been just like that in chesaw as well. In the town of Chesaw there is 6 inches and normally there is about 12-16 by now. 1 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf450ish Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 February is gonna be pretty stupid. The upstream surf zone looks to continue to gradually amplify for at least the next 4-5 weeks. By the middle of the month, we’ll be in a narrow z-cell regime with a strong -NAM and equarorward STJ with the possibility of a secondary block over Alaska. Fun times.Some members in the Great Lake & Great Plains forum mentioned how they payed attention to that ever persistent ridge in the Pacific and that until it broke down due to some major climate shift, the west coast was doomed to the same song & dance weather pattern. Any thoughts on the Deepening Solar minimum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterdog Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 All snow here. Sticking to cars and deck is slushy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Some members in the Great Lake & Great Plains forum mentioned how they payed attention to that ever persistent ridge in the Pacific and that until it broke down due to some major climate shift, the west coast was doomed to the same song & dance weather pattern. Any thoughts on the Deepening Solar minimum? Yeah its been a fairly dominant feature since 2013. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontal Snowsquall Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 The 00z GFS showing some life in the long range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Hour 384 map for Phil! 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf450ish Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Been just like that in chesaw as well. In the town of Chesaw there is 6 inches and normally there is about 12-16 by now.I seen your post several pages ago about meeting the old guy near chesaw & how you picked his brain about the weather history. I'd be interested in the solar activity in that timeframe he mentioned the epic snow depth in chesaw.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 The end of tonight's GFS run looks a lot like the what the CFS has been hinting at. At face value the cold would proceed to plunge SW under the massive + anoms in the high latitudes. Looks like the SSW might be coming home to roost. 2 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Some members in the Great Lake & Great Plains forum mentioned how they payed attention to that ever persistent ridge in the Pacific and that until it broke down due to some major climate shift, the west coast was doomed to the same song & dance weather pattern. Any thoughts on the Deepening Solar minimum?I’m not a solar physicist, so my opinions are mostly worthless. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 You are, without a doubt, the worst model-reader in all of human history. The 12z ECMWF looks worse than any other model for cold air. Jet extension, not an ounce of polar air anywhere on the continent. Alrighty, Phil. I didn't say it looked great, I said it looked borderline promising towards the end. As far as how the pattern was evolving. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 All snow here. Sticking to cars and deck is slushy.Awesome! Still a rain/snow mix here. 35. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 32 now under clear skies. The skiff of snow sparkling on the deck. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Hour 384 map for Phil! Haha. And that, my friend, is how a monster polar block can dam Arctic air into SW-Canada without the aid of the Pacific. It’s rare, but when it occurs, crazy stuff tends to happen. See January 1969 and 1943. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf450ish Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Yeah its been a fairly dominant feature since 2013.I've been trying to find the teleconnection that is causing this dominant feature in the Pacific. It intrigues me yet baffles me. No where else on earth has there ever been such a persistent atmospheric trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 I've been trying to find the teleconnection that is causing this dominant feature in the Pacific. It intrigues me yet baffles me. No where else on earth has there ever been such a persistent atmospheric trend. Things get stuck sometimes. In the 1950s we were under anomalous troughing about 80% of the time. It just happens. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 One other thing is becoming apparently. VERY likely January ends up with below average precip. No sign of a real wet pattern and we are quickly falling behind with a quiet week ahead. Already running a -1.25" deficit for the month. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Alrighty, Phil. I didn't say it looked great, I said it looked borderline promising towards the end. As far as how the pattern was evolving.It looked like crap. Like death. Nothing borderline about it. You’ve been reading models for years. I expect better. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Some members in the Great Lake & Great Plains forum mentioned how they payed attention to that ever persistent ridge in the Pacific and that until it broke down due to some major climate shift, the west coast was doomed to the same song & dance weather pattern. Any thoughts on the Deepening Solar minimum? A ridge over the Pacific is good if it's off the coast. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 A ridge over the Pacific is good if it's off the coast. Yes, what we've seen is probably more accurately described as West Coast ridging. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Haha. And that, my friend, is how a monster polar block can dam Arctic air into SW-Canada without the aid of the Pacific. It’s rare, but when it occurs, crazy stuff tends to happen. See January 1969 and 1943. This could end up happening at the time of the winter that has the greatest potential also. I think the huge lack of cold nationwide in such a deep solar min means somebody is going to get shellacked before it's over. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 50 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crf450ish Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 I’m not a solar physicist, so my opinions are mostly worthless.However you do seem to know quite a bit about hadley cells and ferrel cells. There has to be some connection between solar activity and the subsequent magnetism emitted. To a certain degree, I believe said magnetism plays a role in the atmospheric perturbations on earth. Why else is blocking more common and persistent during low solar activity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattleweatherguy Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Down to 35 here still rain at least getting closer. Hope it's wet enough thru night to get a chance at snow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Doubt we see any flakes fly up this way, but to those who do, enjoy them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 It looked like crap. Like death. Nothing borderline about it. You’ve been reading models for years. I expect better. I think you still just have a Douglas Fir up your butt from the tree-trimming conversation earlier today. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Nice to see some low elevation folks finally seeing some flakes. Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Got a quick skiff tonight under heavy snow for about 15 minutes. Winter is here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandExperience Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Snow at the very top of the highlands in issaquah. Also looks like it’s snow in snowualmie ridge, and North Bend. Hope we don’t have another windstorm. Power was out a long time this morning. Strongest windstorm in recent memory. This winter sure has been a dud for snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Snow at the very top of the highlands in issaquah. Also looks like it’s snow in snowualmie ridge, and North Bend. Hope we don’t have another windstorm. Power was out a long time this morning. Strongest windstorm in recent memory. This winter sure has been a dud for snow.You should have went to the Embassy Suites!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 SNOW! Big fat flakes...first real flakes at the new place! Sticking to the deck. 2 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterdog Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Still snowing. Radar is improving a bit too. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 My son had to run home after work to get clothes for school tomorrow and he said there is about 3 inches there and the roads are bad... and the utility crews are working on the road at the bottom of the hill. We were there around 6 p.m. and it was still dry. ECMWF shows some wind coming in later tonight and tomorrow morning so that should warm it up a little. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted January 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Well after a surprise windstorm last night, the surprise snowfall tonight is icing on the cake. Starting to accumulate on grass/bark/etc. Temp down to 32 now. Radar isn't looking all too impressive so really don't see me getting much (surprised with the 1-4 call) but really nice to see it falling at least. I'll take it. Surprise and powerful windstorm, surprise snowfall, you're living a dream! Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Surprise and powerful windstorm, surprise snowfall, you're living a dream!Seems like last nights wind was fairly well modeled. Not sure that many were caught by surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 My son had to run home after work to get clothes for school tomorrow and he said there is about 3 inches there and the roads are bad... and the utility crews are working on the road at the bottom of the hill. We were there around 6 p.m. and it was still dry. ECMWF shows some wind coming in later tonight and tomorrow morning so that should warm it up a little.Thanks Tim, we were all worried.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Seems like last nights wind was fairly well modeled. Not sure that many were caught by surprise12Z ECMWF also showed snow for the east side of Seattle this evening and showed about 3-4 inches in my area. I just didn't notice it because of the wind issues. Lots of locals staying here tonight... everyone at the pool earlier was here because of power outages. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted January 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Seems like last nights wind was fairly well modeled. Not sure that many were caught by surprise My impression from most models was that the winds would be much stronger more south, with Seattle proper receiving 40-50 mph gusts. The opposite happened, which I found strange, but the squall line was certainly a surprise. Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewr Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 My brother lives out by kanasket/palmer and has 3". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Nina Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 Finally have seen a snowflake IMBY. 36 degrees with a mix currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiem Posted January 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 NWS expecting a PSCZ to develop later tonight and snow to fall at places with elevation within it. Could keep things interesting depending on where it sets up. That's cool. Wish there was an equivalent of the PSCZ here in PDX, cause when that thing sets up correctly it can provide breathtaking results. Quote "Let's mosey!" --Cloud Strife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Top 5 Snow Events (post 2014): (1. January 10th, 2017: 18.5 in.(2. February 6th, 2014: 7.5 inches(3. February 20th, 2018: 5.0 inches(4. February 21st, 2018: 4.0 inches(5. December 14th, 2016: 3.5 inches Honourable Mentions: December 7th, 2018, February 9th, 2019. Total since joining the Weather Forums: 3" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 7, 2019 Report Share Posted January 7, 2019 I think you still just have a Douglas Fir up your butt from the tree-trimming conversation earlier today.If I’m gonna go that route, I’d prefer to start with something smaller. Your weird model analysis just annoys me sometimes. I’m still waiting on that Yukon cold loading to show up. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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