February 2024 Weather in the PNW

[ShawniganLake]

2 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

1916 was very widespread too.  The big one did better for a lot of places than the big one in 2019.  Cle Elum had like 6 feet on the ground that month.

Shawnigan lake had 67” in the first 8 days of February in 1916. 135” in the first 39 days of the calendar year.  It was unrelenting that year. 

[RentonHill]

3 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Are you serious?

 I 100% would. Especially if you are going to ask for stuff!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

2 hours ago, BLI snowman said:

It's interesting that two of our greatest March cold waves on record came in big El Niños way back in the day. March 1906 and then March 1897, which was just a ridiculously cold month end to end.

March 1897 was the coldest on record for the state of Oregon. 

[Deweydog]

8 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Are you serious?

I’d at least explore it. Wayyyyy outside my wheelhouse but this stuff can escalate pretty quickly. 

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

Just now, Deweydog said:

I’d at least explore it. Wayyyyy outside my wheelhouse but this stuff can escalate pretty quickly. 

Thanks man, you are right and i never thought about that really.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

26 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Are you serious?

I would straight up say no. They’ll probably go for eminent domain one way or another. 

[TigerWoodsLibido]

45F and cloudy.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

End of the Euro was nice

[Cascadia_Wx]

8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I would straight up say no. They’ll probably go for eminent domain one way or another. 

[Phil]

2 hours ago, BLI snowman said:

Minneapolis is running about 3 degrees above their warmest winter on record up through this point (2001-02).

The 1878 El Niño was by far the most prolific winter torch in the history of Midwest climate records. Especially in the context of that climate era..almost unfathomable.

[Phil]

2 hours ago, Front Ranger said:

Also, you picked the city in the heart of the warmth this winter. Places like MT, SD, and NE are not going to end up as warm as some previous major Ninos, and most Midwest cities are not seeing their warmest winter on record.

Yeah, need a non-urban station for those kind of comparisons.

[Cascadia_Wx]

22 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

45F and cloudy.

Best weather on the planet?  

Edited February 16 by Cascadia_Wx

[the_convergence_zone]

40 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Thanks man, you are right and i never thought about that really.

I would reach out to some law firms. You will get some free advice on how to proceed. 

Your requests for road and gate improvements seem reasonable to me since I assume they will need heavy equipment to get those logs out of there. Personally I would be inclined to get the forest thinned as well...the thick ones are pretty awful. 

Unfortunately my house is impacted by light rail expansion so I've had to deal with this kind of stuff way more often than I would like because they are often wanting to be on my property for surveying, noise monitoring, etc. They always have documentation to sign beforehand and if you have a lawyer they can review it and be able to amend with your requests as well. Might cost you a grand or two but that's pretty cheap for a regraded road...

[Phil]

Pretty substantial shift on the 12z EPS towards more GOA troughing in the LR. Less pronounced northern stream.

[BLI snowman]

6 minutes ago, Phil said:

Yeah, need a non-urban station for those kind of comparisons.

Pretty easy to see it's not a rural vs. urban dichotomy. Simply a matter of there being a lot of extremely mild airmasses this winter in that region, as we have all borne witness to in real time looking at the weather patterns this season.

International Falls is running nearly 5 degrees above 1997-98 right now for their warmest winter on record.  1877-78 may well have been very close but the spotty records make it hard to compare it regionally.

 

[MossMan]

Found this gem from October 1991…He rolled right past my driveway and if it would have been timed about a minute different you probably would have seen me getting off my school bus!!

School bus is at minute 20.08, he goes past my driveway on the left at 21.02! 
Honestly not a ton has changed going west past the school up to the lakes…But Smokey Point is completely unrecognizable now compared to then. 
Oh and another little nugget…Gene Hackman’s driveway was at 27.22 on the left! 

 

[Deweydog]

4 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Found this gem from October 1991…He rolled right past my driveway and if it would have been timed about a minute different you probably would have seen me getting off my school bus!!

School bus is at minute 20.08, he goes past my driveway on the left at 21.02! 
Honestly not a ton has changed going west past the school up to the lakes…But Smokey Point is completely unrecognizable now compared to then. 
Oh and another little nugget…Gene Hackman’s driveway was at 27.22 on the left! 

 

Funny! I just came across this one last night. I was struck by two things:

1. All the changes!

2. The fact that road rage wasn’t nearly as bad back in 1988 when it comes to people doing 10 under the speed limit in the left lane.

 

[Chewbacca Defense]

38 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

Thanks man, you are right and i never thought about that really.

Probably a good idea. If nothing else, its good insurance.  I'm sure you have good insurance on your car collection and shop, I guess I would not treat this any different.  

Something else just popped in my mind....

I assume they will maintain it...but what does that mean/include.  You don't want it to get so bad you are having to crawl in 4 low just to get to your cabin.  You'd think they wouldn't let it get that bad but you never know...

 

Also, liability...if some log truck driver goes flying off the road, need to be sure they can't sue you, or the government can't try to come back on you as the property owner for hundreds of gallons of spilled diesel (for example) that gets into a stream....stupid crap like that.

Maybe you should be asking for them to carry some sort of huge insurance policy or bond....a lawyer would be able to help you with that.

Maybe some discussions/consideration for timing, how long will this project last.  If it goes past a certain point, what then?  Probably nothing, but if they tell you 2 years and 5 years later you still have a bunch of log truck tearing through your property.  And what about if you wanted to do something with the property near where they are going to cut the road.  Would you be limited?  Maybe you wanted to carve off a parcel of land near that road for a good friend or family member?

 

My extended family (held by the estates of my grandmother and her sisters) had a chunk of property in Georgia that was extremely valuable except for the fact that it did not have a right of way.  I think it took 10-20 years to get a right of way deal worked out to be able to realize the full value of the land.  Within the family we had some very smart, very high dollar real estate, developer and business investment folks working the issue.  We had it "almost there" more times than I can count 

Your situation is the opposite of what my family was up against) and I doubt it will get as contentious, but still shows it can get big in a hurry.

[Phil]

19 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Pretty easy to see it's not a rural vs. urban dichotomy. Simply a matter of there being a lot of extremely mild airmasses this winter in that region, as we have all borne witness to in real time looking at the weather patterns this season.

International Falls is running nearly 5 degrees above 1997-98 right now for their warmest winter on record.  1877-78 may well have been very close but the spotty records make it hard to compare it regionally.

 

There is an embedded area within the Midwest where this winter is legitimately the warmest ever recorded (save 1878, in all likelihood). But this isn’t the case in a majority of the region (though I suppose it depends on how you define the boundaries of the “Midwest”).

The center of the blowtorches in prior niños (such as 1997/98) are slightly offset from one another, like darts thrown at a dartboard. So the exact areas where records are set/broken differ in each event. This winter’s blowtorch isn’t as remarkable in terms of its magnitude, but it is remarkable for the location experiencing it.

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

11 minutes ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

Probably a good idea. If nothing else, its good insurance.  I'm sure you have good insurance on your car collection and shop, I guess I would not treat this any different.  

Something else just popped in my mind....

I assume they will maintain it...but what does that mean/include.  You don't want it to get so bad you are having to crawl in 4 low just to get to your cabin.  You'd think they wouldn't let it get that bad but you never know...

 

Also, liability...if some log truck driver goes flying off the road, need to be sure they can't sue you, or the government can't try to come back on you as the property owner for hundreds of gallons of spilled diesel (for example) that gets into a stream....stupid crap like that.

Maybe you should be asking for them to carry some sort of huge insurance policy or bond....a lawyer would be able to help you with that.

Maybe some discussions/consideration for timing, how long will this project last.  If it goes past a certain point, what then?  Probably nothing, but if they tell you 2 years and 5 years later you still have a bunch of log truck tearing through your property.  And what about if you wanted to do something with the property near where they are going to cut the road.  Would you be limited?  Maybe you wanted to carve off a parcel of land near that road for a good friend or family member?

 

My extended family (held by the estates of my grandmother and her sisters) had a chunk of property in Georgia that was extremely valuable except for the fact that it did not have a right of way.  I think it took 10-20 years to get a right of way deal worked out to be able to realize the full value of the land.  Within the family we had some very smart, very high dollar real estate, developer and business investment folks working the issue.  We had it "almost there" more times than I can count 

Your situation is the opposite of what my family was up against) and I doubt it will get as contentious, but still shows it can get big in a hurry.

All very good tips thank you!!

[MR.SNOWMIZER]

12 minutes ago, Deweydog said:

Funny! I just came across this one last night. I was struck by two things:

1. All the changes!

2. The fact that road rage wasn’t nearly as bad back in 1988 when it comes to people doing 10 under the speed limit in the left lane.

 

I like to look at all the older cars. I see a pinto , old ford van, subaru wagon, A jeep, old toyota truck and more

[Phil]

26 minutes ago, Deweydog said:

Funny! I just came across this one last night. I was struck by two things:

1. All the changes!

2. The fact that road rage wasn’t nearly as bad back in 1988 when it comes to people doing 10 under the speed limit in the left lane.

 

Slow left lane drivers should have their licenses suspended or revoked. They cause congestion and road rage. Fuck them all.

And yeah interesting how some places change while adjacent areas remain frozen in time. My area hasn’t changed at all since the mid-1980s thanks to conservation laws and overall geography, but five miles to the NE there are 20+ floor towers going up where there were just small shops 15 years ago. It’s building up so fast it’s surprising me in real time.

[TT-SEA]

34 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Found this gem from October 1991…He rolled right past my driveway and if it would have been timed about a minute different you probably would have seen me getting off my school bus!!

School bus is at minute 20.08, he goes past my driveway on the left at 21.02! 
Honestly not a ton has changed going west past the school up to the lakes…But Smokey Point is completely unrecognizable now compared to then. 
Oh and another little nugget…Gene Hackman’s driveway was at 27.22 on the left! 

 

Sunny day... I didn't think the sun ever came out in the 1990s around here.   Or so I have been told.  

[Rubus Leucodermis]

26/54 for the day so far. Quite the temperature spread.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

GFS is getting really cut off friendly. Ugh. 

[Front Ranger]

13 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Sunny day... I didn't think the sun ever came out in the 1990s around here.   Or so I have been told.  

October 1991 (mega Nino) was notoriously dry and sunny.

[High Desert Mat?]

Another 5.5” overnight. Was 23 when I woke up and now at 29. Going for a low of 22 tonight and a high of 33 tomorrow with snow starting in the afternoon again. I foresee 1-3” of wet slop bwfore it freezes after dusk (like tonight) and the roads are a mess again. 

[High Desert Mat?]

Just dropped to 28. Going to be real icy real soon. The pavement snow has melted during the higher sun angles even though it’s been cloudy all day. Careful out there central Oregonians. 

[Deweydog]

31 minutes ago, Phil said:

Slow left lane drivers should have their licenses suspended or revoked. They cause congestion and road rage. **** them all.

And yeah interesting how some places change while adjacent areas remain frozen in time. My area hasn’t changed at all since the mid-1980s thanks to conservation laws and overall geography, but five miles to the NE there are 20+ floor towers going up where there were just small shops 15 years ago. It’s building up so fast it’s surprising me in real time.

No way this guy survives that drive in 2024 America. Thanks Obama/Trump!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, High Desert Mat? said:

Another 5.5” overnight. Was 23 when I woke up and now at 29. Going for a low of 22 tonight and a high of 33 tomorrow with snow starting in the afternoon again. I foresee 1-3” of wet slop bwfore it freezes after dusk (like tonight) and the roads are a mess again. 

Not a bad winter for y’all over there. Been a horror show on this side of the mountains. 

[MossMan]

47 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Sunny day... I didn't think the sun ever came out in the 1990s around here.   Or so I have been told.  

If it wasn’t for the date stamp, and my school bus rolling by it could have been a July day from the looks of it! 

[MossMan]

39 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

October 1991 (mega Nino) was notoriously dry and sunny.

That next fall I got my license…Was the perfect winter to learn how to not wreck my car in icy snowy conditions! 

[Doinko]

Really breezy right now, some loud gusts at times

[Ray]

2 hours ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

Probably a good idea. If nothing else, its good insurance.  I'm sure you have good insurance on your car collection and shop, I guess I would not treat this any different.  

Something else just popped in my mind....

I assume they will maintain it...but what does that mean/include.  You don't want it to get so bad you are having to crawl in 4 low just to get to your cabin.  You'd think they wouldn't let it get that bad but you never know...

 

Also, liability...if some log truck driver goes flying off the road, need to be sure they can't sue you, or the government can't try to come back on you as the property owner for hundreds of gallons of spilled diesel (for example) that gets into a stream....stupid crap like that.

Maybe you should be asking for them to carry some sort of huge insurance policy or bond....a lawyer would be able to help you with that.

Maybe some discussions/consideration for timing, how long will this project last.  If it goes past a certain point, what then?  Probably nothing, but if they tell you 2 years and 5 years later you still have a bunch of log truck tearing through your property.  And what about if you wanted to do something with the property near where they are going to cut the road.  Would you be limited?  Maybe you wanted to carve off a parcel of land near that road for a good friend or family member?

 

My extended family (held by the estates of my grandmother and her sisters) had a chunk of property in Georgia that was extremely valuable except for the fact that it did not have a right of way.  I think it took 10-20 years to get a right of way deal worked out to be able to realize the full value of the land.  Within the family we had some very smart, very high dollar real estate, developer and business investment folks working the issue.  We had it "almost there" more times than I can count 

Your situation is the opposite of what my family was up against) and I doubt it will get as contentious, but still shows it can get big in a hurry.

THIS!!!!

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Ensembles are decent at least. 

[snow_wizard]

3 hours ago, ShawniganLake said:

Shawnigan lake had 67” in the first 8 days of February in 1916. 135” in the first 39 days of the calendar year.  It was unrelenting that year. 

It was preceded by an incredible January that featured almost non stop cold as well.  Frozen lakes and everything that winter.

[snow_wizard]

13 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Ensembles are decent at least. 

Looks like at least one good cold shot at the end of the month.  Too bad it seems to breaking into a two shot thing instead of one big mother lode.

[snow_wizard]

49 minutes ago, Doinko said:

Really breezy right now, some loud gusts at times

Been windy here for three days now.  Today was about the coldest 48/37 I've ever felt.  I kid you not the puddles had ice on them this morning with a low of 37.  No doubt from the very low dp.

[snow_wizard]

Quite remarkably the month to date is running right about normal for much of the Western Lowlands right now.  MBY is an exception because of my inability to get a decent min this month.  The max temps have been reasonably cool though.

[snow_wizard]

5 hours ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said:

So the DNR called me asking permission to drive though my property to access an area they want to log next to my 120 acre spot. I'm not to excited but our property is the only access to this area and they are not allowed to punch a new road. If i allow we are going to demand the 1 mile road through our land to be upgraded including gravel, better ditches and dust control in summer. Also the lower gate is not that great and it must be locked at night so i will ask for a new gate. Also might demand a wildlife study to see how it might damage the wildlife on my property. If anyone has ideas please share. The area they want to log is a fire hazard and is very thick so thats good i guess. It is a large area so they want in there bad. I wont be able to see the logged part from where my house wil be. 

I'm with Matt on this.  DEFINITELY get a lawyer.

I guess another good part of this is the logging will probably be done fairly quickly and then you'll have peace and quiet again.  I think the road upgrade would be a reasonable request could be a nice perk for you.