On the 7th month of... July PNW 2022 (Preferance Wars)

[BLI snowman]

2 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

Forest Grove also seem like one of the snowier spots in the metro area. I don't know how good my area is (also at 250'), the COOP station here in 1967/68 and 1968/69 recorded 11.6" and 39" of snow, and from NWS Public Information Statements we apparently had ~25" in 2008/09, ~3" in 2009/10, ~2" in 2010/11, and ~4.5" in 2011/2012, so I think we're similar to the official location on average.

Forest Grove, Clark/Columbia Counties, and Gresham are the best areas in the metro for snow under 500'. 

There've been a lot of events over the years that have basically cut off around the southern end of the Portland area. January 17-18, 2012 was another one where the NW part of the metro area stayed snow for the entire night and the snow cut off completely around Tigard, while Scappoose ended up with about 12".

 

[Cascadia_Wx]

59 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

My area is wetter than Mossman's and I don't whine about it. 

You are just made of tougher stock Andrew

[Doinko]

10 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Forest Grove, Clark/Columbia Counties, and Gresham are the best areas in the metro for snow under 500'. 

There've been a lot of events over the years that have basically cut off around the southern end of the Portland area. January 17-18, 2012 was another one where the NW part of the metro area stayed snow for the entire night and the snow cut off completely around Tigard, while Scappoose ended up with about 12".

 

I was checking out some of Mark Nelsen's old blog posts, and apparently the snow from the first storm in Feb 2014 on the 6th was supposed to end at around Longview, but some of the heaviest totals were in that area.

The Beaverton/Tigard area has not done well recently, even though I'm also in the West Metro I've definitely had much more than that area in recent years. Except in Dec 2008 the inner SW metro seems to had done pretty well with the arctic front and the big storm.

[BLI snowman]

12 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

I was checking out some of Mark Nelsen's old blog posts, and apparently the snow from the first storm in Feb 2014 on the 6th was supposed to end at around Longview, but some of the heaviest totals were in that area.

The Beaverton/Tigard area has not done well recently, even though I'm also in the West Metro I've definitely had much more than that area in recent years. Except in Dec 2008 the inner SW metro seems to had done pretty well with the arctic front and the big storm.

Tigard's kind of just a snow graveyard in general, as FroYoBo can probably attest to.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

59 minutes ago, MossMan said:

What is your total so far for the calendar year? I’m at 34.21”  

50.31"

[SilverFallsAndrew]

When I moved up here I knew it snowed quite a bit more at this elevation, but the difference in climate from the valley was pretty shocking. We had almost 100" of snow that first winter and Silverton which is about 9 miles away had maybe 6". Silverton didn't have much more than 6-7" total in 2019 either, if that much, and we had over 60". 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

The main day use area at the state park is about 300' lower than us and gets significantly less snow, but they recorded 95.5" in January 1969 and didn't record data on another day when the snow depth increased by 5". I have seen pics from "old timers" and it looked like something from Government Camp or Timberline. 

[Doinko]

34 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Tigard's kind of just a snow graveyard in general, as FroYoBo can probably attest to.

Well they at least had 20" or so of snow in December 2008, so not completely screwed, and around half of that in Feb 2014, so they still can do decent. 

 

[Doinko]

Just now, Doiinko said:

Well they at least had 20" or so of snow in December 2008, so not completely screwed, and around half of that in Feb 2014, so they still can do decent. 

 

What causes that area to be so prone to missing out on snow though? Almost every winter recently they've had less than PDX I think excepting 2013-14 I think.

[SnowWillarrive]

1 hour ago, BLI snowman said:

Forest Grove, Clark/Columbia Counties, and Gresham are the best areas in the metro for snow under 500'. 

There've been a lot of events over the years that have basically cut off around the southern end of the Portland area. January 17-18, 2012 was another one where the NW part of the metro area stayed snow for the entire night and the snow cut off completely around Tigard, while Scappoose ended up with about 12".

 

How does Washougel and Camas do for snow? Was looking at a house down there. 

[NWbyNW]

I'm at 23.15''  of precipitation for 2022, not including July yet.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

56F and clear. Nice to see the stars tonight for a bit.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

4 hours ago, Doiinko said:

Apparently in the winter of 1968-1969, Seattle had 67.5" of snow, Eugene had 49.1" of snow, while PDX got "screwed" with only 34"

I doubt the events that winter will be topped here in a long, long time. In late Jan, places in the metro area here had like 3 feet of snow that fell in a 72 hour period with temps in the mid-20s and widespread, blowing snow.

Now Jan 1950 is impressive for its longevity however, and over 3 ft of snow fell in total that month in numerous separate events. I think there was snowfall on more days that month than any other on record.

[Cascadia_Wx]

Thicker marine layer this morning with a low of 58. Had a 78/57 spread yesterday with mostly cloudy skies early giving way to sun and scattered cumulus.

[Cascadia_Wx]

Fortunately the operational 00z Euro appears to be an outlier with its weird double heatwave idea. Although there does seem to be a recent trend across most guidance to soften the “crash” the middle part of next week.

 

[TT-SEA]

The entire North Pacific is now warmer than normal... hard to find a match with that much warmth.     

The current SSTA map is on top and on the bottom for comparison is the same day in 1988 (also an analog year with a developing Nina in the summer).

 

[Meatyorologist]

Feels pretty muggy and mild out there... which it is. Some rain showers in the area. 61/56 spread

[Meatyorologist]

1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

The entire North Pacific is now warmer than normal... hard to find a match with that much warmth.     

The current SSTA map is on top and on the bottom for comparison is the same day in 1988 (also an analog year with a developing Nina in the summer).

 

there MUST be a rational explanation for this...

[Phil]

16 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

The entire North Pacific is now warmer than normal... hard to find a match with that much warmth.     

The current SSTA map is on top and on the bottom for comparison is the same day in 1988 (also an analog year with a developing Nina in the summer).

 

That’s actually a much closer SST match than it appears to be at first glance.

[Timmy Supercell]

5 hours ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

I doubt the events that winter will be topped here in a long, long time. In late Jan, places in the metro area here had like 3 feet of snow that fell in a 72 hour period with temps in the mid-20s and widespread, blowing snow.

Now Jan 1950 is impressive for its longevity however, and over 3 ft of snow fell in total that month in numerous separate events. I think there was snowfall on more days that month than any other on record.

The monthly record snowfall in Klamath Falls was Jan 1950, with 56.5". That one was definitely regional, like a few of the other bigger ones in the PNW. It's hard to have more than 2' fall in over the course of 4 weeks there, that happened 3 times while I lived there. Dec 2015, Jan 2017, and Feb 2019. But easier to have between 12-20" in a month.

I think February 2019 was one of only two months total I have witnessed snow falling throughout the course of an entire month. If you think about it in a way, patterns that allow major arctic air don't usually continue dumping snow on you for the colder temps. So I probably know why Jan 1950 doesn't hold the all time low there. The -25 record happened in 1962.

[Timmy Supercell]

I keep forgetting Feb 2019 never had lows below zero at KLMT. But still managed to pull off a top cold month at many sites in southern Oregon as well as for snowfall. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

 

3 minutes ago, Timmy Supercell said:

I keep forgetting Feb 2019 never had lows below zero at KLMT. But still managed to pull off a top cold month at many sites in southern Oregon as well as for snowfall. 

Just sustained cold anomalies and very cold highs. Here it was slightly colder than February 1989 overall, even though the average low in February 89' was much colder. 

[Doinko]

52 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

The entire North Pacific is now warmer than normal... hard to find a match with that much warmth.     

The current SSTA map is on top and on the bottom for comparison is the same day in 1988 (also an analog year with a developing Nina in the summer).

 

I thought the PDO was in the negative phase right now? What's it forecast to do in the coming months?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

5 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

I thought the PDO was in the negative phase right now? What's it forecast to do in the coming months?

Tim is wildly pining for a warm dry winter. 

[Phil]

7 minutes ago, Doiinko said:

I thought the PDO was in the negative phase right now? What's it forecast to do in the coming months?

It is. That NPAC warmth is reflective of -PDO.

And it will trend more negative with time.

[Phil]

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Tim is wildly pining for a warm dry winter. 

Poor guy is gonna have it rough for awhile.

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Tim is wildly pining for a warm dry winter. 

Cold and snowy would be pretty nice.   

[TacomaWx]

60 for a low and cloudy this morning. 

[Doinko]

7 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Cold and snowy would be pretty nice.   

For any snow events next winter I hope we can manage some clear cold days so that the snow can stick around for a while, like January 2017. It's not as fun to see the snow washed away by rain!

[MossMan]

El Niño 

[Randyc321]

17 hours ago, Frontal Snowsquall said:

 

Way too humid in the summer. I couldn't live there year round even though I love their Cajun and Creole cuisine. 

New Orleans is a sh@t hole. Not to piss anyone off, but D**n I found that place nasty.  I have been in summer and winter.  The food is great, but the town is a nasty mess and I am not talking about hurricane damaged areas.

[Randyc321]

13 hours ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Laughlin sometimes has 115+ air temperatures with the river water in the low 60s.

Yeah that is tough.  I used to go there yearly with a friend group.  Roast or freeze.  You dont stay in the water long but you go in frequently.

[BLI snowman]

9 hours ago, Doiinko said:

What causes that area to be so prone to missing out on snow though? Almost every winter recently they've had less than PDX I think excepting 2013-14 I think.

PDX has better access to the gorge, which can make a difference in events like 2/9/2019 and 2/12/2021. The inner SW Metro/Tualatin Valley is also the first to transition to south winds and doesn't benefit from cold air damming the way folks near the Coast Range do. They're also in the heart of the rain shadow so they won't do as well in onshore flow patterns as places closer to the Cascades.

[BLI snowman]

9 hours ago, SnowWillarrive said:

How does Washougel and Camas do for snow? Was looking at a house down there. 

Decently well, if you're near river level though then you're going to get a lot of wind and more frequent ice. The really strong gorge outflow events and downslope events can sometimes screw you for accumulations there as the wind overpowers everything else, but then there will be more shallow outflow events where you'll make up the difference.

Prune Hill area is a great neighborhood and gets up to around 750' in elevation. The Lacamas Lake area is also beautiful with some very nice, albeit expensive, houses and is a little more shielded from the gorge winds.

[BLI snowman]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Tim is wildly pining for a warm dry winter. 

2004-05 is his favorite winter to date that he's experienced in the PNW. Followed closely by 2014-15.

[MossMan]

3 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

2004-05 is his favorite winter to date that he's experienced in the PNW. Followed closely by 2014-15.

Nah I think Tim’s favorite winter was 2006-07! Especially December 2006! 

[RentonHill]

21 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Decently well, if you're near river level though then you're going to get a lot of wind and more frequent ice. The really strong gorge outflow events and downslope events can sometimes screw you for accumulations there as the wind overpowers everything else, but then there will be more shallow outflow events where you'll make up the difference.

Prune Hill area is a great neighborhood and gets up to around 750' in elevation. The Lacamas Lake area is also beautiful with some very nice, albeit expensive, houses and is a little more shielded from the gorge winds.

Finding another house with more elevation in the area is the most motivating reason i have for wanting to move. 

[BLI snowman]

4 minutes ago, RentonHillTC said:

Finding another house with more elevation in the area is the most motivating reason i have for wanting to move. 

Yeah, Meat touched on it yesterday but our region suddenly becomes a pretty great climate once you get closer to 1000'. You get a lot of the upsides of other regions when it comes to heavy snow and fairly distinct seasons, with none of the downsides of ludicrous temperature extremes or ugly topography. 

[RentonHill]

2 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Yeah, Meat touched on it yesterday but our region suddenly becomes a pretty great climate once you get closer to 1000'. You get a lot of the upsides of other regions when it comes to heavy snow and fairly distinct seasons, with none of the downsides of ludicrous temperature extremes or ugly topography. 

but ive heard from some anonymous sources that it rains too much around 1000'

[BLI snowman]

Just now, RentonHillTC said:

but ive heard from some anonymous sources that it rains too much around 1000'

I had an anonymous source tell me once that despite the massive difference in annual rainfall it was somehow the exact same amount of sunshine on average.