December 2020 Weather Observations for the PNW

[Winterdog]

44 here after a high of 45 and a low 40.  .54" today, 8.19" for the month and 64.94" for the month.  That's all for now, I'm getting drowsy.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, umadbro said:

North of the Columbia..

You can keep your wind. 

[bainbridgekid]

2 minutes ago, umadbro said:

North of the Columbia..

The gradient tightens over Oregon that night as the cold front moves South.

 

 

[Winterdog]

4 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

You can keep your wind. 

I'm with you on that.  I do not like being out of electricity and the internet for days.  I do not like cleaning up after a big windstorm.  I do like all that however if it is accompanied by heavy snow.

[MossMan]

Just now, Acer said:

I'm with you on that.  I do not like being out of electricity and the internet for days.  I do not like cleaning up after a big windstorm.  I do like all that however if it is accompanied by heavy snow.

I spent Monday cleaning up lots of small branches that fell during the snow last week...I do not mind it one bit! But I do like windstorms...I’m sick and twisted like that. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

A somewhat disappointing 0.54” of rain today. 12.24” on the month now. Not often SLE has more rain than we do. 

[TheNewCulverJosh]

Joe Bastardi just killed it on Tucker Carlson w/ Marc Stein filling in.  Now I want his book, he is on point, and I'm a new fan.

[MossMan]

Dry and breezy this evening before sundown...It was enjoyable. 

[umadbro]

15 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

You can keep your wind. 

It won't be windy here. I'm pretty protected from south or Southwest winds.

[bainbridgekid]

3 minutes ago, TheNewCulverJosh said:

Joe Bastardi just killed it on Tucker Carlson w/ Marc Stein filling in.  Now I want his book, he is on point, and I'm a new fan.

Assuming he was railing against human induced climate change?

[Winterdog]

6 minutes ago, MossMan said:

I spent Monday cleaning up lots of small branches that fell during the snow last week...I do not mind it one bit! But I do like windstorms...I’m sick and twisted like that. 

I'm every bit as sick and twisted as you are but I'm older than Groucho Marx and that makes a difference.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 minutes ago, bainbridgekid said:

Assuming he was railing against human induced climate change?

I would want to ask him why we haven’t seen arctic air in ages. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Marc Stein is being sued by the hockey stick graph guy (Mann?). But seriously at least bring Bastard on during a cold winter, not a coast to coast torch fest. Maybe they can cherry pick some numbers from the October cold snap and ignore reality. 

[TheNewCulverJosh]

At least we can all admit we know nothing about real historical weather phenomena.  We only have data of a very small timeframe.

 

Ok, discuss..lol.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

4 minutes ago, TheNewCulverJosh said:

At least we can all admit we know nothing about real historical weather phenomena.  We only have data of a very small timeframe.

 

Ok, discuss..lol.

January 1862 was something else.

[TheNewCulverJosh]

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

January 1862 was something else.

150+ years is a microfraction.

[MossMan]

[TigerWoodsLibido]

7 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Probly a decent event from SLE to BLI.

[Omegaraptor]

3 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Probly a decent event from SLE to BLI.

Don't worry, my area will find a way to avoid high winds.

[Brian_in_Leavenworth]

Lots of good stuff about the SSW and what precedes it and what happens next.

 

[AbbyJr]

42 minutes ago, TheNewCulverJosh said:

Joe Bastardi just killed it on Tucker Carlson w/ Marc Stein filling in.  Now I want his book, he is on point, and I'm a new fan.

Which book? I'm reading his book "The Weaponization of Weather in the Phony Climate War."

While I have not finished it yet, I'm almost done and I can say its an excellent book.

Its a very easy read and he proves his point perfectly. That is, that the climate has always been changing and will continue to change. Man is not the primary driver of climate and the changes we are seeing today are not apocalyptic, like the mainstream media and governments would like us to believe. He does not deny climate change but rather the climate alarmism doomsday hype thats being pushed on us.

Its my personal opinion that everyone should read the book, whether you agree or disagree with him on the issue.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

10 minutes ago, AbbyJr said:

Which book? I'm reading his book "The Weaponization of Weather in the Phony Climate War."

While I have not finished it yet, I'm almost done and I can say its an excellent book.

Its a very easy read and he proves his point perfectly. That is, that the climate has always been changing and will continue to change. Man is not the primary driver of climate and the changes we are seeing today are not apocalyptic, like the mainstream media and governments would like us to believe. He does not deny climate change but rather the climate alarmism doomsday hype thats being pushed on us.

Its my personal opinion that everyone should read the book, whether you agree or disagree with him on the issue.

As a fan of literature, I cannot imagine how poorly written that book is. 
 

I do agree with some aspects of what he believes. The climate change hysteria is 100% political. 

[AbbyJr]

8 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

As a fan of literature, I cannot imagine how poorly written that book is. 
 

I do agree with some aspects of what he believes. The climate change hysteria is 100% political. 

Have you read the book?

I actually think its written well. But regardless, as long as he gets his point across, thats all the matters.

[Front Ranger]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Marc Stein is being sued by the hockey stick graph guy (Mann?). But seriously at least bring Bastard on during a cold winter, not a coast to coast torch fest. Maybe they can cherry pick some numbers from the October cold snap and ignore reality. 

People are such prisoners of the moment.

Yeah, the last two months have been a national torch. But September and October were not...in fact, two extremely anomalous cold events here in that time frame, though granted not much in the way of sustained cold. October was pretty darn chilly for the Upper Midwest.

 

Good chance January/February end up considerably colder (anomaly) than the past couple months.

[TheNewCulverJosh]

2 minutes ago, Front Ranger said:

People are such prisoners of the moment.

Yeah, the last two months have been a national torch. But September and October were not...in fact, two extremely anomalous cold events here in that time frame, though granted not much in the way of sustained cold. Though October was pretty darn chilly for the Upper Midwest.

 

Good chance January/February end up considerably colder (anomaly) than the past couple months.

Unfortunately, this is a "what have you done for me lately" society.  Most can't see more than a few days, much less see the big picture.  

 

Most of society believes that if it has been warm where they live, then global warming is rampant.  

[OysterPrintout]

Just now, TheNewCulverJosh said:

Unfortunately, this is a "what have you done for me lately" society.  Most can't see more than a few days, much less see the big picture.  

 

Most of society believes that if it has been warm where they live then global warming is rampant.  

nearly as preposterous as watching a far right news program interviewing a single climate change denier and thinking that's set and match.

[Front Ranger]

5 minutes ago, TheNewCulverJosh said:

Unfortunately, this is a "what have you done for me lately" society.  Most can't see more than a few days, much less see the big picture.  

 

Most of society believes that if it has been warm where they live, then global warming is rampant.  

The funny thing is that the globe is negligibly warmer currently than it was in February 2019 or winter 2016-17. And yet we have posters on here now blaming last winter's (mostly) fail and this winter's (so far) on climate change induced warmth.

It's a convenient narrative, until it falls apart.

[TheNewCulverJosh]

15 minutes ago, OysterPrintout said:

nearly as preposterous as watching a far right news program interviewing a single climate change denier and thinking that's set and match.

All I mentioned was I liked him and want to read his book.  Sorry that was your take.

 

And let me add.  Nor you, I, or anyone who has ever lived on this planet, have or will ever have, enough data on the climate of this planet.  Not unless someone from the beginning of time somehow has been time travelling for billions of years while jotting the data down on his/her notepad.

[AbbyJr]

2 minutes ago, OysterPrintout said:

nearly as preposterous as watching a far right news program interviewing a single climate change denier and thinking that's set and match.

Nobody denies climate change. Some people, including myself, deny that man is the primary source of climate change and that the changes are catastrophic. But nobody actually denies that the climate changes.

The very fact that there are supposedly "believers" and "deniers" in regards to climate change, is evidence that this is 100% political and has turned into a religion.

Its all a load of non-sense and I'm baffled that so many weather enthusiasts go along with it.

That said, I respect each others right to have an opinion.

[Timmy Supercell]

Snow started about 20-30 minutes ago, now a bit heavier. Still roads are wet, but other surfaces like cars and grass are looking white.

[Brian_in_Leavenworth]

I wonder if the weeklies tomorrow will look like last night's long range gefs.  From hour  390

 

[SnarkyGoblin]

@iFredplease enforce OT rules RE: climate change or else I'm gonna let these folks have it.

[bainbridgekid]

13 minutes ago, AbbyJr said:

Nobody denies climate change. Some people, including myself, deny that man is the primary source of climate change and that the changes are catastrophic. But nobody actually denies that the climate changes.

The very fact that there are supposedly "believers" and "deniers" in regards to climate change, is evidence that this is 100% political and has turned into a religion.

Its all a load of non-sense and I'm baffled that so many weather enthusiasts go along with it.

That said, I respect each others right to have an opinion.

A whole lot of people deny evolution but that doesn't make it a religion.

People denying a fact does not change its validity.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, einsteinjr said:

@iFredplease enforce OT rules RE: climate change or else I'm gonna let these folks have it.

Our resident genius would like to have a word. 

[TheNewCulverJosh]

2 minutes ago, einsteinjr said:

@iFredplease enforce OT rules RE: climate change or else I'm gonna let these folks have it.

 

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Our resident genius would like to have a word. 

It is a strong topic with strong emotions.  Especially as the PNW goes through a crappy winter.  What rules are being broken?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, bainbridgekid said:

A whole lot of people deny evolution but that doesn't make it a religion.

People denying a fact does not change its validity.

But a lot of things people viewed as facts at one point were disproven.

 

[FroYoBro]

16 minutes ago, AbbyJr said:

Nobody denies climate change. Some people, including myself, deny that man is the primary source of climate change and that the changes are catastrophic. But nobody actually denies that the climate changes.

The very fact that there are supposedly "believers" and "deniers" in regards to climate change, is evidence that this is 100% political and has turned into a religion.

Its all a load of non-sense and I'm baffled that so many weather enthusiasts go along with it.

That said, I respect each others right to have an opinion.

“Nobody denies climate change.”

 

”It’s all a lot of nonsense”

[TheNewCulverJosh]

1 minute ago, FroYoBro said:

“Nobody denies climate change.”

 

”It’s all a lot of nonsense”

My point, personally, is that we don't have enough historical data to say what is going on.  Knee-jerk reactions are the wrong thing to do.

The universe is a big place.  And the earth has had ups and downs throughout our recorded history, and based on that data, well beforehand.

[Deweydog]

The 00z probably won’t fix climate change.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

It is a bit laughable people would deny evolution or climate change. However, nuance often is lost along the way, especially among those with strong opinions. 

I can recognize living things evolve without having to believe the science on how that happened over eons is settled. We still have much to learn. On the same token, it seems legitimate for someone to question the human impact on climate change, or question how urgent the issue really is. 

As humans we have shown the ability to adapt and change, we really cannot adjust to a slowly warming world? If you look at how many people die annually due to natural disasters as opposed to one or two generations ago, it would seem we are already doing a really good job. 

If the price to pay for all the innovation and increased quality of life over the past 150 years is 3C warming, it seems a rather small price to pay.